Nicolai Holbæk Thrane - Tønsberg

[Mikkel Lauritzen]

Jeg søker opphavet til kjøpmann i Tønsberg Nicolai Holbæk (Holbech/Holbæck) Thrane. Han var trolig født i 1728 og døde i Tønsberg i 1786.

 

Død Nicolai Holbech Thrane

 

Han bli i 1756 gift med Anne Bolette Dorothe Rhode:

 

Giftemål Anne Rhode

 

Anne Bolette døde i 1769:

 

Nicolai gifter seg igjen i 1770 med Anna Nicoline Stoltenberg som er datter av Vincent Stoltenberg.

 

Anna dør i 1802

 

Anna Thranes død

 

Nicolai hadde ingen etterkommere.

 

Det er trolig Nicolai som blir konfirmert på Kongsberg i 1745:

 

Nicolais konfirmasjon

 

Er det noen her ute som kan hjelpe meg å finne foreldrene til Nicolai Holbech Thran?

 

 

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHGZ-MVL

 

Name:	Nicolai Pedersen
Event Type:	Christening
Event Date:	27 Oct 1728
Event Place:	Tønsberg, Vestfold, Norway
Event Place (Original):	Sankt Laurentii, Tonsberg, Vestfold, Norway
Gender:	Male
Father's Name:	Peder Sorenson
Mother's Name:	Sitzel Nicolaisdr

 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/27/pa00000000754071

 

 

 

[Sven Hjortland]

Vielsen til foreldrene

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000000023320

[Mikkel Lauritzen]

Hei Sven! Igjen tusen takk for hjelpen! Jeg også sett disse, men skjønte ikke hvor Thrane/Trane kom inn i bildet. Flyttet de til Kongsberg, siden Nicolai Holbech Thrane ble konfirmert der i 1745?

 

[Mikkel Lauritzen]

Da er dette løst med god hjelp av Sven - igjen takk.

 

Nicolai Holbech Thrane, kjøpmann i Tønsberg, ble født i 1728 som sønn av Peder Sørensen Holbech og han 2. kone (tror jeg) Sidsel Nicolaisdatter Holst. Foreldrene ble gift 12.11.1724 i Tønsberg. Peder dør trolig i 1731/32. Enken etter Peder Sørensen Holbech, som ved hans død har mange barn som både er av sine egne og etter den avdøde mannens tidligere ekteskap (dette har jeg ikke funnet, men kun avledet av et skifte), gifter seg 10.11.1733 med feltskjær Jacob Thrane som da adopterer hennes barn. Således har da de tidligere barn fått navnet Thrane. I tillegg til de "adopterte barna" får Jacob og Sidsel trolig 6 barn hvorav den siste datteren som kom november/desember 1744 trolig ledet til morens død som var 11. mars 1745.

 

Jeg ser av noe kilder at Jacob Thrane har vært bosatt i Arendal før han ble gift og i Larvik og Tønsberg, for siden å bli stadskirurg i Christiania fra 1741 til sin død i 1745. Jeg skjønner imidlertid fortsatt ikke hvorfor Nicolai Holbech Thrane konfirmeres på Kongsberg i 1745?

 

 

[Carsten Anker]

Hei,

 

Forsøker å finne ut litt om Nicolai Holbech Thrane og hans kone Anne (Anna?) Stoltenberg, jeg også.

 

Ser det står her og andre steder at disse giftet seg i 1770. Vet noen hvor dette fant sted? Kilde?

 

Også litt usikker på hvor mellomnavnet Nicoline kommer inn. I de kildene jeg har funnet om Anne Stoltenberg, heter hun bare Anne:

 

Dåp 1. februar 1731:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070425640562

 

Folketelling i 1801:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058282000312

 

Begravelse 20. april 1802:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070425640709

Endret August 15, 2020 av Carsten Anker

[Otto Martin Christensen]

Far til Nicolai Holbek Thrane, Peder Sørensen Holbek, var sønn av Søren Pedersen Holbek, skipper, handelsborger og fattigforstander i Tønsberg. Han begraves i Byrum Sogn på Læsø i Danmark 13. juni 1708: 

 

"Onsdagen d. 13 Junj Klocken 9 (3?) Slet begrafuis Schipper Søfren Pederson fra Tønsberg i Norjg, [......] paa Lessøe udj Mellemste Sogn, Var 2de gange gifft, Ved 1ste Qvinde auflet 7 børn, 4 Sønner og 3 døttre og huor af 1 Søn og 1 daatter igien lefuer, Ved den 2den Qvinde auflet iligemaade 7 børn, 4 Sønner og 3 døttre, huor af 3 Sønner og 2 døttre igien lefuer. Var gammel = 59 Aar, og 5 Maaneder, blef lagt i Kirchen."

 

Sønnen Peder får han med sin andre kone, Else Nilsdatter Riis. Søren og Else blir viet i Tønsberg (Vår Frues kirke) 15. desember 1696. Hun gifter seg på nytt 20. februar 1714 med løytnant i marinen, Jens Povelsen Smidt, som dør i 1735.

 

Mvh Otto

 

 

Endret August 15, 2020 av Otto Martin Christensen

[elaine]

My great grandmother Gyda left her family home in Tonsberg to be with her husband Andrew Thompsen sometimes spelled Thompson in the USA.   Andrew was from Bergen.    Gyda was born September 20, 1871.     She left behind a daughter who I believe lived with Gyda's parents.    I do not know her maiden name.   Gyda returned to visit and I have documents that she returned for a visit in June of 1921 for two months.    Andrew had passed away and she traveled for the visit alone.

 

I would like to learn Gyda's maiden name and any information about her daughter and daughters heirs.     Seems a shame that they would leave such a beautiful country.

 

Andrew was from Bergen and he immigrated to the USA in 1889.    Any information on Andrew and his family would be great as well.

 

Thank you

elaine engelstein

eengelstein@yahoo.com

[elaine]

PS advice on where I can search is appreciated.      Unfortunately I do not speak Norwegian.

[Per.H.Skaug]

Elaine,

 

you should start a new topic, with the headline Gyda Thompson and her birthdate. Then it would be easier for others giving you advice and there may be someone who would know of her family.

 

However, I am sure we can identify her and help you out. I presume it is the same Gyda Bastesen Thompson (born Andersen) from Tønsberg that was also home in 1926? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000756738

 

To create a new topic, use the following link: https://forum.arkivverket.no/forum/6-brukernes-eget-forum/?do=add

Endret September 24, 2020 av Per.H.Skaug

[Anton Hagelee]

Interesting that her Passport Application does give her birth date as September 20, 1871. But all the other paths lead to a date of September 20, 1868. 

 

Gyda Thompsen

 in the U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925

Name:Gyda Thompsen

Gender:Female

Age:49

Birth Date:20 Sep 1871

Birth Place:Tonsberg, Norway

Residence Place:New York City, New York

Passport Issue Date:26 May 1921

Spouse:Andrew Thompsen

Has Photo:Yes

Certificate Number:42078

 

This would appear to be her marriage to Andreas Tollefsen from Bergen on July 31, 1887.  Name is given as Gyda Elise Nilsen and her father is Anders Nilsen. One would have expected her last name to be Andersen as it was in the Travel Record posted by Per.  Her birth date is given here as 20/9/1868?

 

Nr. 22

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060915020267

 

Here in the 1875 Norwegian Census she is listed as Gyda Elise Andersen as expected. Father is Anders Nilsen and mother is Gunnil Marie Andersen. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052137004083

 

Here is the baptism record for the Gyda Elise Andersen born Sept 20, 1868. Parents are Anders Nilsen and Gurine Marie Olsdatter. A difference here is that the  census  record above gives her mothers last name as Andersen. 

 

Nr. 161

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061107330151

 

Perhaps a little sorting out here of the records before I feel completely comfortable that we have the right Gyda.

 

Here are some records of her as Gyda Tollef born Nilsen in the 1891 Norwegian Census. She seems to have a foster son Finn Elis Salin living with her. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052994007715

 

Here is the record for the daughter born in 1891.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007493217

 

She left Bergen in July of 1892 along with the foster son, now age 5. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000686871

 

Also I did look through the Parish Records for Tønserg for birth and baptism for 1871 and part of 1872 for a Gyda born 20 Sep but did not find any such person. 

 

I did cram a lot of information in this one post but if you do make a new specific post for Gyda,, as Per suggested, it will be easy to transfer the data. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Mikkel Lauritzen]

In 1875 census she is listed as Gyda Elise Andersen:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052137004083

 

[Mikkel Lauritzen]

It also seems like her daughter emigrated to the US in 1914 (if it is her):

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000289726

 

[Otto Martin Christensen]

1 time siden, Mikkel Lauritzen skrev:

It also seems like her daughter emigrated to the US in 1914 (if it is her):

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000289726

 

 

This seems to be another Serine Marie than the girl that was baptized in Bergen 29 Nov. 1891, as daughter of Gyda Elise and Aslak Larsen, with 17 Nov. as registered birth date in the church book. According to Geni (which in general is not a trustworthy source, as we all know, but still has lots of correct and useful information in specific cases), Serine Marie Aslaksdatter Løvdahl has another set of parents, from Lyngør.

 

It rather seems that Gyda's daughter Serene Marie grew up with her father Aslak Larsen in Bergen. In the 1910 census Aslak Larsen lives with his wife Regine and two daughters in Steinkjellergaten. As you can see, his daughter Marie is born 17 Nov. 1891, according to the census information -- i.e. the same birth date as Serine Marie,

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036708047169

 

When Aslak's wife Regine Kornelia Larsen (b. Arentz) dies in Bergen 11 June 1918, the death notice lists the two daughters as Betzy Dalskov and Marie Svensen. Betzy is married to Holger Dalskov, while Marie is married to Valdemar Svensen. If we go back to Geni, we can find a profile for Marie's half sister Betzy Dalskov,

 

https://www.geni.com/people/Betzy-Dalskov/4983174746400119970

 

She lives in Denmark and has several descendants, as you can see. I have not been able to find further traces of Marie and her husband Valdemar, though -- at least not in Norwegian sources. It is not unlikely that Marie's husband also was Danish, and that they settled in Denmark, like Betzy and her husband, since the name Valdemar is more common in Denmark than Norway. Perhaps Betzy's Danish descendants have information about Marie and Valdemar. You might send a query via Geni.

 

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Otto Martin Christensen

[Carl Nilsen]

Marie and Waldemar move to Oslo. She dies in 1978:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/387/pc00000002268123

he dies in 1959:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/387/pc00000001474488

 

Here they are in Bergen before they move:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01065522002230

Endret September 25, 2020 av Carl Nilsen

[Otto Martin Christensen]

Thank you, Carl. So Waldemar was in fact born in Denmark (Skive). This is confirmed by several obituaries from 1959. He seems to have been a highly respected trade union representative. Waldemar and Marie's son Willy has many living descendants, according to Willy's death notice.If you want further information about this, Elaine, you can send me a private message.

Endret September 25, 2020 av Otto Martin Christensen

[Otto Martin Christensen]

BTW, Elaine, it should be possible to reconstruct the ancestral lines of Gyda Elise and her husband Andrew (Andreas) quite a few generations back in time, by help of Digitalarkivet and a selection of genealogical literature.

Endret September 25, 2020 av Otto Martin Christensen

[Anton Hagelee]

23 hours ago, elaine said:

Andrew was from Bergen and he immigrated to the USA in 1889.    Any information on Andrew and his family would be great as well.

 

 

The marriage record for Gyda Elise and Andreas Tollefsen does give the birth dates  of the bride and groom as well as the names of the fathers. The name the father of Andreas is listed as Tollef Jørgensen and his birth date as 28 Feb 1858. 

 

The only likely candidate i found for a Andeas born in Bergen is this one. 

 

Andreas Tallevsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Andreas Tallevsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:28 feb 1858

Baptism Date:28 mar 1858

Baptism Place:Bergen, Bergen, Norway

Father:Tallev Jorgensen

Mother:Andrine Hansdr

FHL Film Number:278099

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000007409256

 

Here he is with his family in the 1865 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038249013796

 

Father in 1891. States he is from Indre Holmedal i Søndfjord, born about 1828.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052994007712

 

Here are Andrew Thompson and wife Gyda and rest of the family in the 1900 US Census in New York.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSKW-K3H

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Arrival of Gyda Tollefsen and step son Finn into New York in 1892. 

 

Gyda Tollefsen

 in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

Name:Gyda Tollefsen 

Arrival Date:22 Jul 1892

Birth Date:abt 1869

Age:23

Gender:Female

Ethnicity/ Nationality:Norwegian

Port of Departure:Christiausaud

Port of Arrival:New York, New York, USA

Ship Name:Norge

 

 

[Otto Martin Christensen]

As regards Gyda's foster son Finn Elis, his baptism is recorded here, with birth date given as 21 Oct. 1887. His birth mother is registered as widow Henrikke Sofie Andersen. She had married Hans Jørgen Andersen 25 January 1882 in Sandar, where Henrikke Sofie was born in 1859 as daughter of Hans Hansen and Henrikke Sofie Olsdatter. Her husband Hans Jørgen obviously died within a few years time, since she is recorded as widow already in the 1885 census. When Finn was baptized, his father is given as bachelor and sailor Elis Johannes Salin (probably Swedish), and Gyda (with her recently acquired surname "Tollefsen") is recorded as one of the godparents.

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Otto Martin Christensen

[Anton Hagelee]

Marriage of Tollef Jørgensen Flække and Andrine Hansdatter in 1852 in Bergen. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000000950691

 

Nr. 5 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070301690587

 

Fathers are  Jørgen Tollefsen  Flække and Hans Olsen Dorhillen in Askvoll ? Or perhaps the farm is Dorghelle.

 

 

 

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Per.H.Skaug]

Gyda's sister Hanna Stefanine Nilsen emigrated to New York in 1904. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000639897

 

Maybe she lived close to her sister, if she stayed in New York?

[Anton Hagelee]

11 minutes ago, Per.H.Skaug said:

Gyda's sister Hanna Stefanine Nilsen emigrated to New York in 1904. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000639897

 

Maybe she lived close to her sister, if she stayed in New York?

 

Nice find. The original manifest states that she is going to her sister Gyda Thomson. 

 

Hanna S Nilsen

 in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

Name:Hanna S Nilsen 

Arrival Date:30 Nov 1904

Port of Arrival:New York, New York, USA

 

 

 

 

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[elaine]

I apologize for invading someone else's page.    I did not realize that my posts were continuing to post here.     Very sorry.

 

Thanks to everyone posting to me.

[Anton Hagelee]

27 minutes ago, elaine said:

I apologize for invading someone else's page.    I did not realize that my posts were continuing to post here.     Very sorry.

 

Thanks to everyone posting to me.

 

Not to worry Elaine. If you have questions about the information posted here do not be reluctant to ask them. 

 

 

Endret September 25, 2020 av Anton Hagelee