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Peter Pederson Nelson wife Nettie and 8-9 Kids

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Steven F Nelson
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My great grandfather Nels Nelson had one older half brother (Johannes or John P Nelson) two twin siblings, Ivar and Bergethe, and Peter Pederson Nelson.  All of these people were born in or around Biri, Norway, but all of them moved to USA in 1860's.  I still don't know what happened to Peter Nelson, his wife Nettie and their 8-9 children; it's almost like they all disappeared/vanished.  First of all, I don't know if the family's last name was Nelson, or Peterson.  I am trying to find out what happened to all the children of Peter and Nettie, not just when they died but some of them had to get married and have families.

1. Peter Peterson was born in Feb. 1857 in Brobakken, Segaard, Biri, Oppland, Norway and died Before 1940 in Wisconsin, USA.  He married Nettie Peterson About 1889. Nettie, daughter of John P Nelson and Gelene Johannesdatter, was born in Aug. 1871 in Norway and died After 1940 in La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA.

 

 

 

 

Children of Peter Peterson and Nettie Peterson

 

i.

2.

Clarence Perry Nelson was born on Mar. 12, 1891 in Hamilton, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, USA and died on Jun. 15, 1971 in Wisconsin.

 

ii.

3.

Gertrude (Gerlis) Nelson was born in Jul. 1894 in Wisconsin, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

iii.

4.

Nora Nelson was born on Jul. 18, 1896 in Wisconsin, USA and died in Jul. 1978 in USA.

 

iv.

5.

Nellie Peterson was born in Nov. 1898 in North Dakota, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

v.

6.

Ella Nelson was born in 1900 in North Dakota, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

vi.

7.

Gladys Nelson was born About 1902 in North Dakota, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

vii.

8.

Amanda Nelson was born About 1907 in North Dakota, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

viii.

9.

Clifford E Nelson was born in Jul. 1909 in North Dakota, USA and died on an unknown date.

 

ix.

10.

Mable Nelson was born About 1912 in Bottineau County, North Dakota, USA and died in USA.

 

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deleted extra "grand" in great grandfather

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Anton Hagelee
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2 hours ago, Steven F Nelson said:

.  I still don't know what happened to Peter Nelson, his wife Nettie and their 8-9 children; it's almost like they all disappeared/vanished.  First of all, I don't know if the family's last name was Nelson, or Peterson.  I am trying to find out what happened to all the children of Peter and Nettie, not just when they died but some of them had to get married and have families.

 

They did not disappear. They lived in Wisconsin, moved to North Dakota and back again to Wisconsin. You can find them in the various census records on familysearch.org. He used Peter P Nelson for most of the records. 

 

1900 US Census 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9V6-D8R

 

Here is 1920 Census

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MF21-2G9

 

1930 Census 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9QT-89H

 

 

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Peter P Nelson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Peter P Nelson

Birth Date:1857

Birth Place:Norway

Death Date:1936

Death Place:La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Cemetery:Oak Grove Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Children:Ella Myrle Delaney

 

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1900 Census 

 

Peter P Nelson

 in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Peter P Nelson

Age:56

Birth Date:Feb 1844

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1900:Fidelity, Bottineau, North Dakota

House Number:0

Sheet Number:23

Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation:471

Family Number:473

Race:White

Gender:Male

Immigration Year:1850

Relation to Head of House:Head

Marital status:Married

Spouse's name:Nettie Nelson

Marriage Year:1889

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Years in US:50

Naturalization:Na

Occupation:Farmer

Can Read:Yes

Can Write:Yes

Can Speak English:Yes

House Owned or Rented:O

Home Free or Mortgaged:F

Farm or House:F

Neighbors:View others on page

Household Members:

NameAge

Peter P Nelson56

Nettie Nelson28

Clarence Nelson9

Gertrude Nelson5

Nora Nelson3

Nellie Nelson1

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There are a six or more Family Trees on Ancestry.com that if you are a subscriber, you can use to find out what happened to the children. Some of them you seem to know since you have a death date and place for a few of them in your post. 

 

Nellie Pearl Nelson

1898–1943

BIRTH 02 NOV 1898 • Bottineau, Bottineau County, North Dakota, USA

DEATH 08 NOV 1943 • La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, USA

 

married a 

 

William Sackmaster

1901–1939

BIRTH 23 NOV 1901 • Tomah, Monroe County, Wisconsin, USA

DEATH 27 SEP 1939 • La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, USA

 

Can be found in the 1940 US Census 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7NN-6CP

 

 

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The youngest Mable is shown to have married an Arthur Yandt. 

 

May (Mable) Irene Nelson

1911–1980

BIRTH 31 AUG 1911 • North Dakota, USA

DEATH 13 APR 1980 • Los Angeles County, California, USA

 

Arthur Frederick Yandt

1908–1983

BIRTH 19 JUN 1908 • La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, USA

DEATH 07 SEP 1983 • Sonoma County, California, USA

 

Also in the 1940 US Census 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7NN-W8D

 

May Irene Yandt

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:May Irene Yandt

Birth Date:31 Aug 1911

Death Date:13 Apr 1980

Cemetery:Redding Memorial Park

Burial or Cremation Place:Redding, Shasta County, California, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Arthur Frederick Yandt

 

May Irene Yandt

 in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997

Name:May Irene Yandt
[May Irene Nelson] 

Gender:Female

Birth Date:31 Aug 1911

Birth Place:Wisconsin

Death Date:13 Apr 1980

Death Place:Los Angeles

Father's Surname:Nelson

 

 

 

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The married name of other girls can be found in various obits. Here is one for Nettie. 

 

Nettie Nelson

 in the Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current

Name:Nettie Nelson

Gender:Female

Death Age:87

Birth Date:5 Aug 1872

Birth Place:Norway

Death Date:Abt 1960

Death Place:2205 George St.

Obituary Date:13 Jul 1960

Obituary Place:La Crosse, Wisconsin, United States of America

Child:Gertrude Lawrence 
Nora Jarvis 
Ella Delaney 
Mabel Yandt 
Clifford 
Clarence

Siblings:Helene Voila 
Simon Pi 0 mskogi 
Mmme Srhomsby

 

 

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I see from the obit above that one of the girls Nora  has the last name of Jarvis. 

 

Probably her in this obit. 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPG-3555

 

Long list of nephew and niece.

 

1930 US Census 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9QY-JZB

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V8S5-F82

 

Probably her husband 

 

Timothy John Jarvis

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Timothy John Jarvis

Birth Date:5 Sep 1896

Death Date:11 Dec 1947

Death Place:La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Cemetery:Catholic Cemetery of La Crosse

Burial or Cremation Place:La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Spouse:Nora I Jarvis

Children:Ronald Achille Rouleau

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Based on the obits from above this is likely the Ella born in 1901 in North Dakota.

 

Lyle Norman Delaney

 in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Name:Lyle Norman Delaney
[Lyle N Delaney] 

Gender:Male

Race:White

Birth Date:31 Jan 1928

Birth Place:Hillsboro Ve, Wisconsin

Death Date:7 Sep 1995

Father:John M Delaney

Mother:Ella Nelson

SSN:393260139

Notes:Jun 1946: Name listed as LYLE NORMAN DELANEY; 13 Sep 1995: Name listed as LYLE N DELANEY

 

Ella Myrle Delaney

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Ella Myrle Delaney

Birth Date:7 Dec 1900

Birth Place:Bottineau County, North Dakota, United States of America

Death Date:27 Sep 1973

Death Place:Mauston, Juneau County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Cemetery:Mount Tabor Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:Mount Tabor, Vernon County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

Father:Peter P Nelson

Spouse:John McKinley Delaney

Children:Wayne Francis Delaney 
John Garfield Delaney 
Lavonne Kay Delaney 
Donald James Delaney 
Wallace Howard Delaney 
Clayton Lloyd Delaney

 

1930 US Census

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X933-QLN

 

1940 US Census

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7NW-RCD

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is some information on son Clifford E Nelson. 

 

Clifford E. Nelson

 in the Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current

Name:Clifford E. Nelson

Gender:Male

Death Age:56

Birth Date:26 Jul 1909

Birth Place:Bottineau, N.D.

Residence Place:910 Hayes St.

Death Date:23 May 1966

Obituary Date:24 May 1966

Obituary Place:La Crosse, Wisconsin, United States of America

Siblings:Gertrude Lawrence 
Nora Jarvis 
Ella Delaney 
Mabel Yandt

 

Clifford Nelson

 in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current

Name:Clifford Nelson

Birth Date:1909

Death Date:1966

Cemetery:Oak Grove Cemetery

Burial or Cremation Place:La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America

Has Bio?:N

 

Here he is in 1940 US Census with his mother and two of his siblings. Clarence and Amanda.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7NV-MFN

 

No evidence that he has ever married.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I see by the obit above the the sister has the married name of Gertrude Lawrence.  Married to a John Lawrence and living in Iowa in this 1925  Iowa Census. 

 

Gertrade Lawrence

 in the Iowa, State Census Collection, 1836-1925

Name:Gertrade Lawrence
[Gertrade Nelson] 

Age:31

Birth Year:abt 1894

Birth Place:Wisconsin

Residence Date:1 Jan 1925

Residence Place:Dubuque Precinct 09, Dubuque, Iowa, USA

Race:White

Gender:Female

Relation to Head:Wife

Marital status:Married

Spouse:John Lawrence

Father:Peter Nelson

Father Age:62

Father Birth Year:abt 1863

Father Birth Place:Norway

Mother:Nettie Johnson

Mother Age:51

Mother Birth Year:abt 1874

Mother Birth Place:Norway

Parents' Marriage Place:Wisconsin

Neighbors:View others on page

Household Members:

NameAge

John Lawrence40

Gertrade Lawrence31

 

 

 

 

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Gertrude J. Lawrence

 in the Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current

Name:Gertrude J. Lawrence

Gender:Female

Death Age:83

Birth Date:14 Apr 1894

Birth Place:La Crosse

Residence Place:910 Kayes St.

Death Date:4 Aug 1977

Death Place:La Crosse

Obituary Date:5 Aug 1977

Obituary Place:La Crosse, Wisconsin, United States of America

Parents:Peter Nelson; Nettle Nelson

Spouse:John

Siblings:Mabel Yandt 
Nora Jarvis

 

1940 US Census in Iowa, no chidden. 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K72M-F1B

 

 

 

 

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Gladys is a little harder to track down. 

 

Gladys Nelson

 in the U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995

Name:Gladys Nelson

Residence Year:1922

Street address:1716 Prospect

Residence Place:La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA

Occupation:Shoe Wkr

Publication Title:La Crosse, Wisconsin, City Directory, 1922

 

or this one

 

Gladys Nelson

 in the U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995

Name:Gladys Nelson

Residence Year:1922

Street address:2228 Mormon Coulee rd

Residence Place:La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA

Occupation:Nurse

Publication Title:La Crosse, Wisconsin, City Directory, 1922

 

 

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Steven F Nelson

Appreciate all the research help.

S. Nelson

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Thank you, Anton.  The information about Peter P Nelson from 1900 Census is I discovered a couple years ago that the writer for census had numbers flipped (this happens especially when your census is done at beginning of century; in other words, a math problem.

1900 Census 

 

Peter P Nelson

 in the 1900 United States Federal Census

Name:Peter P Nelson

Age:56

Birth Date:Feb 1844

Birthplace:Norway

Home in 1900:Fidelity, Bottineau, North Dakota

 

They state that Peter P was 56 years old in 1900 and was born in 1844 wife Nettie 28 years old (28 year difference in age)

CORRECT DATA: Peter P was 44 years old in 1900 and was born in 1856 wife Nettie 28 years old (16 years difference in age)

 

Also, Nettie was her husband's half brother (John P) 's daughter, if the data is correct, so the DNA of Peter Nelson (born February 26, 1819 in Biri) is particularly strong or pronounced in this family of 8 kids.  I still have not found out where Peter and his third wife Agneta (born September 5, 1819) are buried; They are buried in either Minnesota, Wisconsin or Norway is my guess.

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6 hours ago, Steven F Nelson said:

I still have not found out where Peter and his third wife Agneta (born September 5, 1819) are buried; They are buried in either Minnesota, Wisconsin or Norway is my guess.

 

 

I assume that this is the Peter you refer to as having been born in 1819?

 

Peder Nilsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Peder Nilsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:26 feb 1819

Baptism Date:6 mar 1819

Baptism Place:, Biri, Opland, Norway

Father:Niels Pedersen

Mother:Inger Olsdr

FHL Film Number:125453

 

Nr. 18

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603680174

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006707882

 

 

 

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I wonder if this is not your family coming over to America in 1866. Numbers 22 - 27. 

 

Peder Nielsen Brobakken

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1196&ps=24038

 

Name:Peder Nielsen Brobakken 

Age:47 

Sex:m* 

Passenger on:Ship Manila 1866, from Christiania Apr. 25 to Quebec June 7 

Source:NAC C-4521 list 35 - Transcribed by Børge Solem - 2001

 

 

Peder Nielsen Brobakken

 in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name:Peder Nielsen Brobakken

Arrival Age:47

Birth Year:abt 1819

Arrival Date:Jun 1866

Arrival Port:Canada

Vessel:Manila

 

 

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Yes to both of them, thank you.  I had received the Immigration information reference Port of Quebec from a Norwegian woman about a year ago, but now you have given me for first time his birth and baptism information.  Much appreciated.

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Also, Anton, regarding the second new Digital Archive...the "fadder", 5 total listed after Peder Nielsen's parents names, they are all God Parents and not grandparents, right?  Gulbrand Steeg, Kari Steeg, Hendrik Grytte, Elie Grytte, Jens Hoff paa Bollerud.

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1 hour ago, Steven F Nelson said:

Also, Anton, regarding the second new Digital Archive...the "fadder", 5 total listed after Peder Nielsen's parents names, they are all God Parents and not grandparents, right?  Gulbrand Steeg, Kari Steeg, Hendrik Grytte, Elie Grytte, Jens Hoff paa Bollerud.

 

 

Yes that is correct. 

 

Here is is confirmation in 1834. Nr. 16.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603690269

 

 

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Probably a sister born in 1824.

 

Pouline Nilsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Pouline Nilsen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:31 aug 1824

Baptism Date:26 sep 1824

Baptism Place:Biri ,Opland,Norway

Father:Niels Pedersen

Mother:Inger Olsdr

FHL Film Number:125453

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006712444v

 

And another in 1822

 

Eline Nilsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Eline Nilsen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:6 jan 1822

Baptism Date:27 jan 1822

Baptism Place:Biri ,Opland,Norway

Father:Niels Pedersen 

Mother:Inger Olsdr

FHL Film Number:125453

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006710034

 

and a second Pouline in 1826. 

 

Pouline Nilsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Pouline Nilsen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:30 sep 1826

Baptism Date:22 okt 1826 (22 Oct 1826)

Baptism Place:Biri ,Opland,Norway

Father:Niels Pedersen 

Mother:Inger Olsdr

FHL Film Number:125453

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006714442

 

 

 

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Steven F Nelson

Father: Niels Pedersen

Mother: Inger Olsdatter, the mother of Peder Nielsen is the only ancestor I have no information about (her parents).  I have information about Peder's father, information about Karen Jensdatter's parents, but so far no information about Inger, assuming she was born in late 1700's around Biri, Norway.  Also, 23andMe and MyHeritage say I have Finnish blood on my father's Norwegian side, so Inger Olsdatter's family may be where the Finnish connection comes in (although 23andMe and MyHeritage have been wrong before).

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