Heidal Marriage record

[Ken Ogren]

I am curious about a few of things in this record.  Føde og Opholdssted Hædalen / do.  do is meant to mean =?

Is it common to have a woman's name / the bride's name listed under Brudens faders navn? Anne Olsdatter Harlaugeie (!!)

How likely is it that Forlovernes navne Ole Olsen Harlaugeie is Anne's father?

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8917/43448/44

 

Brudgommens Navn og Stand

Brudens Navn

 

Ungkl og Soldat Paul Haldogsen Ødegaarden

Pige Anne Olsdr Harlaugeie

 

Føde og Opholdssted

 

Hædalen / do

 

Alder

 

26 Aar

29 Aar

 

Brudgommens faders navn

 

Haldog Olsen Ødegaarden

 

Brudens faders navn

 

Anne Olsdatter Harlaugeie (!!)

 

Forlovernes navne

 

Ole Olsen Harlaugeie og Frederik Frederiksen T.....

 

Tillysningsdagene

 

6.søndag efter Paaske, 2den Pintsedag og Trinitatis Søndag

 

Af hvem tillysning forlangt

 

Af forloverne

 

Vaccination

 

Havt de naturlige kopper

Vaccineret af Ranney .....

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is how Ancestry.com has transcribed the record. 

 

Paul Haldogsen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Paul Haldogsen 

Gender:Male

Age:26

Birth Date:1828

Marriage Date:18 jun 1854

Marriage Place:Vaagaa,Opland,Norway

Father:Haldog Olsen

Spouse:Anne Olsdr

FHL Film Number:307268

 

And from the brides side. where they left off the name of the brides father. 

 

Anne Olsdr

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Anne Olsdr

Gender:Female

Age:29

Birth Date:1825

Marriage Date:18 jun 1854

Marriage Place:Vaagaa,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Paul Haldogsen

FHL Film Number:307268

 

 

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

7 timer siden, Ken Ogren skrev:

I am curious about a few of things in this record.  Føde og Opholdssted Hædalen / do.  do is meant to mean =?

Is it common to have a woman's name / the bride's name listed under Brudens faders navn? Anne Olsdatter Harlaugeie (!!)

How likely is it that Forlovernes navne Ole Olsen Harlaugeie is Anne's father?

 

"do." = ditto (italian) =That which was stated before, the aforesaid, the above, the same, likewise

 

Errors happen - then and now; I suppose this is one.

 

Possible; depends on the local tradition (and the vicar). The 2nd best man is "Frederik Frederiksen Toug".

To ("Toug") is in Sel.

 

Notice that this marriage is in Vågå ("Vaage") church (main church of Vågå parish). Heidal ("Hædal") and Sel were sub-parishes (sokn) to Vågå.

[Ken Ogren]

I am having a difficult time locating Anne's birth record, I have a lead on Geni, but I have a tough time trusting the information.  Any thoughts on the punctuation at the end of the entry "Anne Olsdatter Harlaugeie (!!)"?  The farm on Geni is written Harlaugsæter/Harlaugeie.  Are these the same?

 

the website https://norgeskart.no Has two results if I use Harlaugsæter.

 

Would this be where Anne happened to be living?  or is there more meaning to this?

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Ken Ogren]

I have these prospects for Anne's birth record, based somewhat loosely on the age of 29 on 18 June 1854.  Doing my best to try to identify the father's name in the birth record as Ole.

 

Anne Olsdatter
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/82
58. 7/3/1824

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/83
71. 6/7/1824

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/84
80. 13/10/1824

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/92
64. 7/6/1825
66. 6/8/1825

 

Am I correct that the father's are Ole?  Is there a better way to narrow things down?  I couldn't seem to identify Harlaugeie in any of these records.

[Ken Ogren]

Or pehaps this one

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/72

line 49 June 30 1825

 

Harlaugeie (!!)

 

Harloug

 

Are these related?

Endret August 16, 2020 av Ken Ogren
Additional information

[Anton Hagelee]

37 minutes ago, Ken Ogren said:

Or pehaps this one

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9249/44866/72

line 49 June 30 1825

 

Harlaugeie (!!)

 

Harloug

 

Are these related?

 

 

Harlaug is the name of the main farm, and could also be spelled Harloug. Eie at the end of the farm name is usually a sub farm under the main farm of Harlaug. Likely a cotters farm, Husmannsplass in Norwegian. 

 

So this find does show some promise. 

 

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

In the 1865 Census living on Harlaug is a Marit Olsdatter and some of her children. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038059005887

[Anton Hagelee]

And one of the children is a Bridt born about 1829. This is probably her baptism. 

 

Brith Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Brith Olsen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:4 nov 1827

Baptism Date:4 nov 1827

Baptism Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Father:Ole Pedersen

Mother:Marit Olsdr 

FHL Film Number:125632

 

Nr. 77

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520651

 

Farm here looks like Harlaug to me.

 

 

 

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

And this is likely the baptism of the Anne you found number 49. Parents names are the same.

 

Anne Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Anne Olsen

Gender:Female

Birth Date:30 jun 1823

Baptism Date:13 jul 1823

Baptism Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Father:Ole Pedersen

Mother:Marit Olsdr

FHL Film Number:125632

 

 

 

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Ole Pedersen and Marit Olsdatter had several children beginning with Ole in 1818.  There is at least seven in Ancestry.com. 

 

 

Ole Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Ole Olsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:13 sep 1818

Baptism Date:20 sep 1818

Baptism Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Father:Ole Pedersen 

Mother:Marit Olsdr 

FHL Film Number:125632

 

Orignal record is number 49 and the farm name here is spelled Harloug. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520543

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Ken Ogren]

Ah, yes 1823 not 25 as I had written.

[Ken Ogren]

Line 16 5 may 1816

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9251/86896/2

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

3 timer siden, Ken Ogren skrev:

I am having a difficult time locating Anne's birth record, I have a lead on Geni, but I have a tough time trusting the information.  Any thoughts on the punctuation at the end of the entry "Anne Olsdatter Harlaugeie (!!)"?  The farm on Geni is written Harlaugsæter/Harlaugeie.  Are these the same?

 

the website https://norgeskart.no Has two results if I use Harlaugsæter.

 

Would this be where Anne happened to be living?  or is there more meaning to this?

 

 

For sake of order: I am not familiar with the area.....

 

If we look at residences in the 1865 census, we find

Harlaug as a "farm" : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/rural-residence/bf01038059005862

It has a Løpenr. (Serial number; 198), which shows that it is an entity/holding  in the farm registry.  There is only one registered holding at Harlaug.

Then (click "next" upper left) there is Harlauglien (Frederik Johnsen, "husmand med jord")

and (another "next") Harlaugsæteren (Paul Johannesen, "Husmand med jord").  These two units has no "løpenr". and are not registered holdings.

Both are a "husmannsplass" under the registered holding (Harlaug).

At some instance later the two entities were formally registered and became separate holdings.

This occurred after 1886, when a new registry ("matrikkel") was made. With some searching we could find that instance

 

 

In Eastern Norway, a "husmansplass" was often named by the name of the farm + "Eie(t)" (~owned, ownership).

Probably Anne's "Harlaug Eie" was (or became) either Harlauglien or Harlaugsæter.  The answer might be findable

with some investigation. However, it can also be an earlied "husmannsplass", which in 1865 might be abandoned

or included in the main farm unit.

 

[Ken Ogren]

That is just some great information, thank you.

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

39 minutter siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Ole Pedersen and Marit Olsdatter had several children beginning with Ole in 1818.  There is at least seven in Ancestry.com. 

[...]

Orignal record is number 49 and the farm name here is spelled Harloug. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520543

 

The name is "Harloug Ejet" or variant ("- Eier") for Ole (1818), Anne (1823) and Brith (1827). 

The mother is Marit Olsd., and should not be confused with Marit Toresdotter at the main farm (Harlaug).

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Ken Ogren said:

Line 16 5 may 1816

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9251/86896/2

 

 

Nice find the farm name for Marit Olsdatter looks like Bjølstadeie and she would be born about 1793. 

 

Here is a Marit Olsdatter on Bjølstad born in 1793 in the 1801 Census. Parents are not identified, listed as chid?

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058252002257

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Ken Ogren]

34 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Here is a Marit Olsdatter on Bjølstad born in 1793 in the 1801 Census. Parents are not identified, listed as chid?

Perhaps the last entry in 1793?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9247/44849/82

 

Do you expect that Martin age 5 in household 11 is her brother?

Endret August 16, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Anton Hagelee]

37 minutes ago, Ken Ogren said:

 

Do you expect that Martin age 5 in household 11 is her brother?

 

Maybe. The only Martin that fits the birth year and last name Olsen is this one from Ancestry. 

 

Martin Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Martin Olsen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:25 okt 1795 (25 Oct 1795)

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Ole Brubaken

FHL Film Number:125631

 

No mother listed and the father is given the farm name. 

 

Probably the first record in the far left column. Note hat in these records the fathers name is the first words in the record. The childs name follows after. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520369

 

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

This is likely the Marit you found in 1793. 

 

Marit Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Marit Olsen
[Marit Johansen] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:8 des 1793 (8 Dec 1793)

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Ole Johansen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

The baptism records  for 1793 may extend over into 1794. So this person might be the first record in 1794. Looks like 2 adv. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520365

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

A little hard to track Marit Olsdatter but the Martin Olsen leaves some trace of himself.  

 

Here are three records of probably his children. Spelling of the farm name differs slightly each time. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000003753231

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000003753534

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000004063060

 

And likely his marriage in 1829

 

Martin Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Martin Olsen 

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:29 nov 1829

Marriage Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Ronnog Larsdr

FHL Film Number:125632

 

However I read the marriage record as his father is named Ole Guttormsen, does not fit with Ole Johansen for the father of Marit?

 

Nr. 44

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603530180

 

 

 

 

Endret August 16, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

5 hours ago, Ken Ogren said:

5 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Here is a Marit Olsdatter on Bjølstad born in 1793 in the 1801 Census. Parents are not identified, listed as chid?

Perhaps the last entry in 1793?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9247/44849/82

 

The record you refer to as the last record in 1793 may not be the last record but rather may be part of the five records for 26 t which would be 26 trinitas and be 24 November in 1793. The five records then are these four.

 

Christian father is Knud Poulsen

Anne father is Ole Saetta

Kari father is Ole Skultbaken

Jon father is Rasmus Have

 

Here is my guess as to what we are looking at for the end of the 1793 records. But right now just a guess. 

 

The last record is then a little different in that it starts off with the mothers name followed by the fathers name and then a bunch of words that are difficult to read. 

 

So the last record in 1793 reads

 

Marit Svendsdatter ? Knud Hansen ? plus a lot of very difficult words to read.

 

Knudsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Knudsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:24 nov 1793

Birth Place:Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Death Date:24 nov 1793

Father:Knud Hansen

Mother:Marit Svendsdr

FHL Film Number:125631

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

10 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Nice find the farm name for Marit Olsdatter looks like Bjølstadeie and she would be born about 1793. 

Here is a Marit Olsdatter on Bjølstad born in 1793 in the 1801 Census. Parents are not identified, listed as chid?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058252002257

 

Notice that Marit and Ole (thus Olsdt.) were vry common names...

In this case, Marit is in houshold 11, with Synnef Martinsd. (presumably mother, widow, 35, "har plads" : have a "husmannsplass")

and Martin Olsen (presumably brother, 5)

 

10 timer siden, Ken Ogren skrev:

Perhaps the last entry in 1793?

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9247/44849/82

The last entry in 1793  is a "Marit Svendsd." bearing a stillborn child out of wedlock; not relevant in your context.

 

The first in 1794 is "Ole Johansens Pb Marit"  No farm names mentioned.

 

[Per S. Nestande]

This family is covered by Arnfinn Engen (2012) in his book “Gards- og slektshistorie for Heidal”, volume 2. The following information may be of interest to you:

 

Page 106 Anne and her parents are linked to the former crofter farm Harlaugsæter (188/3 - consistent with the use of Harlaugeie as an address for the family as you have found). The author has not identified the origin of Marit Olsdotter except that she was living at a crofters place belonging to Bjølstad (Bjølstadeie) when she married in 1816. The author lists 8 children:

On page 138 the farm Øygarden (189/12 - originally a crofter farm belonging to Nordre Ekre) has an overview of the family of Anne Olsdatter and Pål Haldogsson. It mentions that 3 of children emigrared to America.

 

On page 36 the family of Ole Pedersson is mentioned under Harildstadeie (183/d), but the author has not identified their origin. While the name of the father Peder Pedersson is rather common, the name Jøran Torsdotter is much less common and she may be easier to trace.

 

Kind regards

 

Per 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Per S. Nestande

[Anton Hagelee]

8 hours ago, Per S. Nestande said:

 

On page 36 the family of Ole Pedersson is mentioned under Harildstadeie (183/d), but the author has not identified their origin. While the name of the father Peder Pedersson is rather common, the name Jøran Torsdotter is much less common and she may be easier to trace.

 

Joran Toresdr

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Joran Toresdr 

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:3 apr 1782

Marriage Place:Vaagaa,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Peder Pedersen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

3rd entry left column.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520355

 

Joran Toresen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Joran Toresen
[Joran Backen] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:2 mar 1749

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Tore Backen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

6th entry far left column 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520262

 

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee