Heidal Marriage record

[Anton Hagelee]

10 hours ago, Per S. Nestande said:

On page 36 the family of Ole Pedersson is mentioned under Harildstadeie (183/d), but the author has not identified their origin. While the name of the father Peder Pedersson is rather common, the name Jøran Torsdotter is much less common and she may be easier to trace.

 

You are  right about the ease of tracing. For Peder Pedersen 1758 plus/minus 2 you have four choices. 

 

Name:Peder Pedersen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:15 feb 1756

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Peder Moen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

third from the bottom, far right column

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520275

 

Name:Peder Pedersen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:10 sep 1758

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Peder Knudsen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

second column from the left, second entry under Dom 16 trin

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520280

 

Name:Peder Pedersen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:10 des 1758 (10 Dec 1758)

Baptism Place:Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Peder Horgen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

Name:Peder Pedersen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:29 sep 1759

Baptism Place:Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Peder Visdal

FHL Film Number:125631

 

Third from the bottom far left column

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520282

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is a tree for the Peder Pedersen whose father is Peder Horgen. Seems to match but no sources so needs some checking. Wife is Thore not Joran so you can probably put this Peder at the bottom of the list. 

 

http://www.solhellingadata.no/Rune/Slekt/html/fam/fam13609.html

 

Same information from a tree on Ancestry.com with this comment. 

 

Born in Horgen, Heidalen, Vågå, Oppland on DEC 1758 to Peder Pedersen and Anne Torgersdatter. Peder Pedersen married Thore Johansdatter and had 3 children. He passed away on  1851 in Horgen, Heidalen, Vågå, Oppland.

 

Probably his marriage. 

 

Name:Peder Pedersen 

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:6 okt 1795 (6 Oct 1795)

Marriage Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Toro Johansdr

FHL Film Number:125631

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

11 hours ago, Ivar S. Ertesvåg said:

 

Notice that Marit and Ole (thus Olsdt.) were vry common names...

In this case, Marit is in houshold 11, with Synnef Martinsd. (presumably mother, widow, 35, "har plads" : have a "husmannsplass")

and Martin Olsen (presumably brother, 5)

 

Good clue to follow. Here is some information on the presumed mother Synnef Martinsdatter.

 

Synnev Martinsdr

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Synnev Martinsdr

Gender:Female

Marriage Date:16 des 1791 (16 Dec 1791)

Marriage Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Ole Guttormsen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

Husband is Ole Guttormsen which matches well with the data on Martin posted earlier. 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

I posted this record on page 1. The father is  listed here under the farm name is Ole Burbaken and is likely the same person as Ole Guttormesen and the mother is Synev Matinsdatter. 

 

I did not find a Marit born around 1795 in Våge with the father named Ole Burbaken or Ole Guttormsen in the Ancestry.com data base. 

 

Could be he is listed under a different farm name or Marit could have a different father than Martin. Marit is a common name than Martin so again you have four or five candidates to choose from. 

 

Martin Olsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Martin Olsen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:25 okt 1795 (25 Oct 1795)

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Ole Brubaken

FHL Film Number:125631

 

 

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

No baptism for a Synnev Martinsdatter but there is one in 1766 for a Synne Mortensdatter. 

 

Synne Mortensen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Synne Mortensen
[Synne Mikelsen] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:2 feb 1766

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Morten Mikelsen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

And a marriage for a widow? (labelled with an E in the marriage record) in 1804 name Synnev Mortensdatter. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000001721792

 

Left column Dec 8

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520362

 

 

[Per S. Nestande]

3 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Here is a tree for the Peder Pedersen whose father is Peder Horgen. Seems to match but no sources so needs some checking. Wife is Thore not Joran so you can probably put this Peder at the bottom of the list. 

 

http://www.solhellingadata.no/Rune/Slekt/html/fam/fam13609.html

 

Same information from a tree on Ancestry.com with this comment. 

 

Born in Horgen, Heidalen, Vågå, Oppland on DEC 1758 to Peder Pedersen and Anne Torgersdatter. Peder Pedersen married Thore Johansdatter and had 3 children. He passed away on  1851 in Horgen, Heidalen, Vågå, Oppland.

 

Probably his marriage. 

 

Name:Peder Pedersen 

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:6 okt 1795 (6 Oct 1795)

Marriage Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Toro Johansdr

FHL Film Number:125631

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the correct mother of Ole Pedersen is Jørånd Torsdotter if you see the 1801 census (Heringstad, persons number 18-22):

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01058252002332

Note that Peder and Jørånd both are in their first marriage.

 

The book by Arnfinn Engen "Gards- og slektshistorie for Heidal" volume 2, page 184 (192/3, Horgen) does indeed list a Peder Pederson (b. ca 1725) as a farmer at Horgen. His son Peder Pedersson (1759-1852) was a farmer at Horgen, married Tora Johannesdotter Sunde (1767-1862) in 1795 and did not have any son Ole among their 6 children.

 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Per S. Nestande

[Per S. Nestande]

13 minutter siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

No baptism for a Synnev Martinsdatter but there is one in 1766 for a Synne Mortensdatter. 

 

Synne Mortensen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Synne Mortensen
[Synne Mikelsen] 

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:2 feb 1766

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa , Opland, Norway

Father:Morten Mikelsen

FHL Film Number:125631

 

And a marriage for a widow? (labelled with an E in the marriage record) in 1804 name Synnev Mortensdatter. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000001721792

 

Left column Dec 8

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520362

 

 

I agree this is an interesting family indeed. According to Arnfinn Engen "Gards- og slektshistorie for Heidal", volume one page 155 (Nørdre Brubakken 181/41, belonging to Bjølstad, i.e. the farm was a Bjølstadeie), was Ola Guttormsson (1761-1798) married 1791 to Synne Martinsdotter (1767-1853). They had two children, Marit born 1793 (not linked to any spouse by Engen) and Martin 1795-1862 who took over the Nørdre Brubakken crofter farm. Synne as you have found remarried to Knut Pålsson Nyborg. 

Endret August 17, 2020 av Per S. Nestande

[Roy Østensen]

5 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

You are  right about the ease of tracing. For Peder Pedersen 1758 plus/minus 2 you have four choices.

 

1. Peder Pedersen Moen: 15 feb 1756, I think we can exclude as Peder Moen's probate in 1777 does not list a son named Peder, implying that he died with no heirs.
2. Peder Pedersen, son of Peder Knudsen: 10 sep 1758
3. Peder Pedersen Horgen, most likely married to Tora Johansdatter
4. Peder Pedersen Visdal: 29 sep 1759

I cannot find any probate mentioning a Peder in Visdal, so it is not excluded. And for Peder Knudsen there is no farm name associated, so hard to track. But in general, the 'husmenn' are hard to follow, as they change residence often, and leave few records, unlike the children of established farm-holders.

[Ken Ogren]

Wow, you folks are just amazing.  Thank you so much for your hard work.

[Per S. Nestande]

9 timer siden, Roy Østensen skrev:

 

1. Peder Pedersen Moen: 15 feb 1756, I think we can exclude as Peder Moen's probate in 1777 does not list a son named Peder, implying that he died with no heirs.
2. Peder Pedersen, son of Peder Knudsen: 10 sep 1758
3. Peder Pedersen Horgen, most likely married to Tora Johansdatter
4. Peder Pedersen Visdal: 29 sep 1759

I cannot find any probate mentioning a Peder in Visdal, so it is not excluded. And for Peder Knudsen there is no farm name associated, so hard to track. But in general, the 'husmenn' are hard to follow, as they change residence often, and leave few records, unlike the children of established farm-holders.

Just for the record: as far as I can see, it cannot be excluded that Peder was born in another parish, although I agree that it may be likely he was born in Vågå. Church records in neighboring Fron is unfortunately lost for this period. 

[Anton Hagelee]

Heringstad

On 8/17/2020 at 1:43 PM, Per S. Nestande said:

 

I think the correct mother of Ole Pedersen is Jørånd Torsdotter if you see the 1801 census (Heringstad, persons number 18-22):

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01058252002332

Note that Peder and Jørånd both are in their first marriage.

 

 

The ancestry of Ole Guttormsen born about 1761 is still a little unknown. There are several Ole with father named Guttorm in the Ancestry data base born around 1761 in Vaaga, Oppland. This one caught my eye because of the reference to the Heringstad farm by Per. His father is named Guttorm Heringstad and he is also the only one born in the exact year of 1761 in Vaaga. 

 

Ole Guttormsen

 in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Ole Guttormsen

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:8 mar 1761

Baptism Place:, Vaagaa, Opland, Norway

Father:Guttorm Heringstad

FHL Film Number:125631

 

Far right column middle of the page 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520284

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret August 18, 2020 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

The most likely candidate for Guttorm Heringstad is this Guttorm Olsen. He married a Mari Jonsdatter in 1760. 

 

Guttorm Olssen

 in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926

Name:Guttorm Olssen 

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:20 okt 1760 (20 Oct 1760)

Marriage Place:Vaagaa ,Opland,Norway

Spouse:Mari Jonsdr

FHL Film Number:125631

 

The farm name on the marriage record is Harrildstad. 

 

Second column over, middle of the page, date is Sept 29.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603520348

 

 

[Ken Ogren]

 

On 8/17/2020 at 10:55 PM, Per S. Nestande said:

On 8/17/2020 at 1:05 PM, Roy Østensen said:

 

1. Peder Pedersen Moen: 15 feb 1756, I think we can exclude as Peder Moen's probate in 1777 does not list a son named Peder, implying that he died with no heirs.
2. Peder Pedersen, son of Peder Knudsen: 10 sep 1758
3. Peder Pedersen Horgen, most likely married to Tora Johansdatter
4. Peder Pedersen Visdal: 29 sep 1759

I cannot find any probate mentioning a Peder in Visdal, so it is not excluded. And for Peder Knudsen there is no farm name associated, so hard to track. But in general, the 'husmenn' are hard to follow, as they change residence often, and leave few records, unlike the children of established farm-holders.

Just for the record: as far as I can see, it cannot be excluded that Peder was born in another parish, although I agree that it may be likely he was born in Vågå. Church records in neighboring Fron is unfortunately lost for this period. 

 

Sorry, it is taking me a bit to keep up.

If I understand correctly, excluding Peder being born in another parish, we can exclude #1 and #3, leaving Peder Knudsen's son Peder, and Peder Visdal's son Peder.  Is that how you understand this as well?

Endret August 20, 2020 av Ken Ogren

[Anton Hagelee]

16 hours ago, Ken Ogren said:

 

 

Sorry, it is taking me a bit to keep up.

If I understand correctly, excluding Peder being born in another parish, we can exclude #1 and #3, leaving Peder Knudsen's son Peder, and Peder Visdal's son Peder.  Is that how you understand this as well?

 

Yes

[Ken Ogren]

On 8/15/2020 at 3:41 PM, Ken Ogren said:

Brudgommens Navn og Stand

Brudens Navn

 

Ungkl og Soldat Paul Haldogsen Ødegaarden

 

I am looking for this farm in the 1801 census.  The closest I see is 0010 Øygaardnesset, is this the same / related?

 

My records suggest Paul's parents were Haldog Olsen and Ronnog Paulsdatter, they married 14 Feb 1824, with Haldog's parents being Ole Haldogsen (1764) and Anne Thordsdatter (1767)

I'm just looking to confirm the correct parents in the birth records/census. 

 

I have these two records

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9247/44849/85

 

Poul Andersens Pb Rønnov
B.D.
W.H.
Peder Soxen, Paul Volden, Østen Krugen, Imbiør og Randi Soxen. Kari Krugen-

 

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9247/157

 

10 S. p. T.

W &(?) Sell

Ole Haldogsens Db. Haldog

Johannes Myrum, Ole Bue, Knud Thou. Gun (Guri?) Thou. Beret Moestuen. Lægd. Weggum

Endret August 23, 2020 av Ken Ogren