Ship's list?

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

On the old website, included in the 1900 census, there were ship crew lists. I believe they were sorted by ship name and possibly port. I have searched here, but I can't locate these lists. In one of the lists, it showed a man who might be my grandfather, Adolf Andersen (f. 1884 Bergen). In this list, he was a "Dæksgut". But now, all these years later, I don't recall the ship's name.

 

Can anyone tell me where these lists are now?

[Carl Nilsen]

1 time siden, Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen skrev:

On the old website, included in the 1900 census, there were ship crew lists. I believe they were sorted by ship name and possibly port. I have searched here, but I can't locate these lists. In one of the lists, it showed a man who might be my grandfather, Adolf Andersen (f. 1884 Bergen). In this list, he was a "Dæksgut". But now, all these years later, I don't recall the ship's name.

 

Can anyone tell me where these lists are now?

Was it this one, ship's name "Firda"?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01100021021488

Endret Mars 9, 2021 av Carl Nilsen

[Richard Johan Natvig]

 

4 timer siden, Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen skrev:

In one of the lists, it showed a man who might be my grandfather, Adolf Andersen (f. 1884 Bergen). In this list, he was a "Dæksgut". But now, all these years later, I don't recall the ship's name.

 

Can anyone tell me where these lists are now?

 

In case you are searching for other people, as well:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/sources?s=skips*&from=&to=&format=all&archive_key=&jt[]=2

 

 

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

To Carl Nilsen and Richard Johan Natvig

 

Yes, that is the list. Thank you for the link. I don't know if I could have found it on my own. 

 

On a personal note, two coincidences. My oldefar was named Karl Nilsson (Sverige) and there are Natvigs in my father's mother's family. ☺️

 

Thanks again... 

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

This is my closest match. I found his family in 1891, but no sign of them in 1900. I know that Adolf (f. August Olai Adolf Andersen) and his brother, Andreas Johan went to sea at a young age. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01052994013500

 

[Carl Nilsen]

13 minutter siden, Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen skrev:

This is my closest match. I found his family in 1891, but no sign of them in 1900. I know that Adolf (f. August Olai Adolf Andersen) and his brother, Andreas Johan went to sea at a young age. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01052994013500

 

Here he is mentioned in the records of «fattigvesenet» from the early 1890s:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/51/pc00000000068734

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/105803/111

 

I see a foster family mentioned in the transcribed version, but couldn’t see the details in the original scan.

Endret Mars 9, 2021 av Carl Nilsen

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

1 hour ago, Carl Nilsen said:

Here he is mentioned in the records of «fattigvesenet» from the early 1890s:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/51/pc00000000068734

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/105803/111

 

I see a foster family mentioned in the transcribed version, but couldn’t see the details in the original scan.

 

I don't know anything about a foster family. Malene's husband, Torger, died 12 Jan 1889. So, I am a little confused that Malene is referred to as "enke" on 1 Jan 1889. What are the notes in the right margin? Are they payments made to the family for expenses?

 

Endret Mars 9, 2021 av Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen

[Carl Nilsen]

I believe the «foster family» mentioned in the transcribed version must be some transcription error.

 

To answer your other questions:

The date 1889-01-01 is when the family started getting support, right before the husband died. He was in the hospital with typhoid fever at the time, as described in the previous volume of these records:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/105801/220
 

Here she was referred to as his wife, replaced by «widow» after his death. When the entry in the new volume was started, she was referred to as the widow of Torger Andersen.

 

The rightmost column does indeed list specific expenses covered by Fattigvesenet. In the first volume, the purchase and repair of a sewing machine. In the second volume, clothes for August and milk (as far as I can tell).

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

12 hours ago, Carl Nilsen said:

I believe the «foster family» mentioned in the transcribed version must be some transcription error.

 

To answer your other questions:

The date 1889-01-01 is when the family started getting support, right before the husband died. He was in the hospital with typhoid fever at the time, as described in the previous volume of these records:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/105801/220
 

Here she was referred to as his wife, replaced by «widow» after his death. When the entry in the new volume was started, she was referred to as the widow of Torger Andersen.

 

The rightmost column does indeed list specific expenses covered by Fattigvesenet. In the first volume, the purchase and repair of a sewing machine. In the second volume, clothes for August and milk (as far as I can tell).

 Tusen takk!

 

Regarding the family in 1900, I think Andreas Johan and August (Adolf) are probably on ship's lists. That leaves Malene and her daughter, Thora. I have searched for them several times in the census. I can only assume they were not counted for some reason.

[Carl Nilsen]

37 minutter siden, Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen skrev:

 Tusen takk!

 

Regarding the family in 1900, I think Andreas Johan and August (Adolf) are probably on ship's lists. That leaves Malene and her daughter, Thora. I have searched for them several times in the census. I can only assume they were not counted for some reason.

I assume you already have these later ones for Malene?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036708013648

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01105551038108

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01065522096552

 

Some addresses in Bergen (I think about 70 lists?) are missing from the 1900 census. Malene and Thora might have been living in one of these.

Endret Mars 10, 2021 av Carl Nilsen

[Carl Nilsen]

Here is Andreas Johan's sailor record (no 1668):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/78975/355

 

Looks like he boarded in 1899-12-29 (or possibly 1900-04-26, as the former might have been his enlistment date?) so he might well have been on a ship at the time of the 1900 census.

Endret Mars 10, 2021 av Carl Nilsen

[Richard Johan Natvig]

3 timer siden, Carl Nilsen skrev:

so he might well have been on a ship at the time of the 1900 census.

Yes he was:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01100021012927

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

4 hours ago, Carl Nilsen said:

I assume you already have these later ones for Malene?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036708013648

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01105551038108

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01065522096552

 

Some addresses in Bergen (I think about 70 lists?) are missing from the 1900 census. Malene and Thora might have been living in one of these.

I had found Malene in 1910. I haven't been on the DA for a while. I didn't even know that the 1922 census was out there! Thanks!

Thora married Albert Tvedt in 1907. She is with him in Askøy in 1910.

[Patricia Carlsen Mikkelsen]

The one bit of information I have never been able to find has to do with when my grandfather immigrated to the US. On his US Naturalization papers, he stated that he departed Liverpool on 3 March 1903 on the SS Umbria, and arrived in NYC on 13 Mar 1903. One problem with that -- the Umbria did not arrive in NY on that date in 1903. An archivist at the US National Archives told me - at that time, the US govt did not require proof of landing. So, immigrants were known to adjust their entry date to conform with US citizenship rules. I think you were supposed to be in the US for at least 2 years before applying for citizenship. I have never been able to determine when Adolf (August) left Norway and when he actually arrived in NY. I wrote to an archivist in Bergen. He could not find any seaman's records for him. It's not a critical detail, but I would sure like to know. That record on the Firda is all I have found in Norway. And I'm not sure it's him. 😓