Halvor Halvorsen (born 1851 - 1891) died in shipwreck outside of Pisagua, Chile around 1891. Could he have been onboard the Sea Queen?

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Dear All,

Halvor Halvorsen was born in 1851 at Baksaas farm, in Ulefoss, Telemark. 

He sailed on many ships along the coast of Argentina and Chile.

It is believed that he died in 1891.

Could he have been one of the crew on the Sea Queen, which sank near Pisagua in 1891? The Sea Queen was a Norwegian (former British ship) sailing vessel built in 1858 in Glasgow by A. Stephen & Sons and was transporting salpeter. From 1887 to 1891, the home of this ship was Mandal, Norway and its captain was A. Biermann from 1887-1891. Owner of ship was T. F. Andersen.

Does anyone have access to the list of crew members of this ship to verify if Halvor Halvorsen was on this ship?

If he did not die on this ship, does anybody know on what other ship he could have died?

Thank you all to this wonderful group!

Best,

Elisabeth

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Norges Sjøfartstidende 16.06.1891:

 

Norges Sjøfartstidende (nb.no)

 

 

Translated:

 

Sea Queen, Pisagua, 28. April. Barque "Sea Queen", Master Biermann, of Mandal, that during loading of ignited nitrate (salpeter) caught fire and was fully wrecked. The cargo was severely damaged. The ship was fully burned down and was on the 24. condemned - will probably be used as a coal vessel.

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Tusen takk Frank! Interessant og kanskje et skritt naermere! :) Med vennlig hilsen, Elisabeth

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Norges Sjøfartstidende has a couple of articles about this incident, in addition to the article above. No deaths are mentioned.

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Thank you very much, Frank! I guess he didn't die on this ship then. I  know he died outside Pisagua in or around 1891, but no confirmation has been found anywhere.

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

1 minute ago, Elisabeth Oosterhoff said:

Thank you very much, Frank! I guess he didn't die on this ship then. I  know he died outside Pisagua in or around 1891, but no confirmation has been found anywhere.

 

Perhaps he was injured during the fire and died later on from complications etc?

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Yes, that is possible too.

 

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Norsk Kundgjørelsestidende (nb.no)

 

 

The owner of Sea Queen, T. F. Andorsen (not Andersen), dissolved the company "Sea Queen" as a result of this incident.

 

My guess is that T. F. Andorsen is Tønnes Fredrik Andorsen:

 

Avansert personsøk - Digitalarkivet

 

[Sven Hjortland]

Norsk Kundgjørelsestidende, tirsdag 28. mars 1905
 

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Halvor was born 14.07.1851:

 

SAKO, Holla kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1849-1860, s. 38
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051007040418
 

 

 

[Ivar Moe]

Hello.
Here is a register of shipwrecks in 1891, some of them off the coast of Chile.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_in_1891

 

Brg

Ivar

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

13 minutes ago, Sven Hjortland said:

Norsk Kundgjørelsestidende, tirsdag 28. mars 1905
 

 

This is very interesting. It says he was a pilot (lods) in Chile, not an ordinary crew member. This probably means he was geographically stationed in one or a few locations only. Based on this information it is doubtful that he was a crew member onboard the Sea Queen.

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Mars 28, 2021 av Frank Marton Pedersen

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Frank, Ivar og Sven! You guys are amazing! Thank you so much for all this information. What exactly is a "pilot" (lods) on a ship. Is it the same as captain?

 

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

2 minutes ago, Elisabeth Oosterhoff said:

Frank, Ivar og Sven! You guys are amazing! Thank you so much for all this information. What exactly is a "pilot" (lods) on a ship. Is it the same as captain?

 

 

 

Maritime pilot - Wikipedia

 

Endret Mars 28, 2021 av Frank Marton Pedersen

[Ivar Moe]

Kanskje dette er av intresse.

https://www.nuestromar.org/antiguas/patricia-halvorsen-pionera-del-viedma-al-rescate-de-la-memoria-y-la-identidad/

 

Min bestefar ble født i Norge. Han oppholdt seg i Patagonia på grunn av skjebnenes skjebne, etter forliset til det britiske skipet Glengowan, der han arbeidet som sjømann og bar kull på sin jomfrutur fra Swansea til San Francisco - Panamakanalen eksisterte ennå ikke. -. Lasten tok fyr og resultatet ble forliset av skipet utenfor Port Stanley 30. november 1895. Hele mannskapet ble reddet, inkludert Halvor Halvorsen. En dag av sitt obligatoriske opphold i Malvinas, tilbød en svensk kaptein som skulle ta ansvaret for et skip i Punta Arenas ham en jobb. Deretter flyttet han til Sør-Chile, hvor han bodde i flere måneder som vaktmann for "ambassadøren" som fungerte som lager. Senere seilte han litt langs kysten, jobbet som arbeider, trener og pannet også etter gull.

 

LOA: What have you inquired about those origins?
PH: My paternal grandfather was born in Norway. He stayed in Patagonia, due to those vicissitudes of fate, after the shipwreck of the British ship Glengowan, on which he worked as a sailor and was carrying coal on its maiden voyage from Swansea to San Francisco - the Panama Canal did not yet exist. -. The cargo caught fire and the result was the sinking of the ship off Port Stanley on November 30, 1895. The entire crew was saved, including Halvor Halvorsen. One day of his forced stay in the Malvinas, a Swedish captain who was going to take charge of a ship in Punta Arenas offered him a job. He then moved to the South of Chile, where he stayed for several months as a watchman for the “Ambassador” that operated as a warehouse. Later he sailed a bit along the coast, worked as a laborer, a trainer, and also panned for gold.

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Thank you, Frank! This is indeed very interesting!

 

[Elisabeth Oosterhoff]

Ivar, you are good! That Halvor was his son! I am writing a book about this!