Christian Falk/Peter Falk *Kristiansund-Dorset i England

[Karina Huseby]

19 minutter siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

 

Dette er ikke den Christian Falk som endte opp i England. Danske Christian Falk var gift og bodde i Egvad (se bilde av FT fra 1870 Frank la inn i tidl. post)

TAKK for det..Da må vi lete i Sverige kanskje? Hvor kan denne Christian være? 

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

Har denne vært vurdert? Hans Christian Falch f. 19. febr. 1842 på Edøy. #14:

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A04 (1836-1852), Born and baptised 1842, Page 24
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070913660026
Permanent image-link: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070913660026.jpg

 

 

 

Endret April 14, 2021 av Inger Karin Haarbye

[Egil Johannessen]

10 minutter siden, Inger Karin Haarbye skrev:

Har denne vært vurdert? Hans Christian Falch f. 19. febr. 1842 på Edøy.

 

Konfirmert 1857, Nr. 5  - Møre og Romsdal fylke, Edøy, Brattvær, Tustna, Hopen i Edøy, Ministerialbok nr. 581A05 (1853-1872), Konfirmerte 1857, Side 171, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050706011163

Endret April 14, 2021 av Egil Johannessen

[Per.H.Skaug]

I konfirmasjonen som Egil har funnet og ved fødselen av kandidaten til Inger Karin, står det jo at faren heter Peder, så denne må jo i høyeste grad være interessant!

Endret April 14, 2021 av Per.H.Skaug

[Egil Johannessen]

Falch navnet kommer da fra moren; Alette (Alet) Hansdatter Falch.

Endret April 14, 2021 av Egil Johannessen

[Per.H.Skaug]

Her er et bryllup for Hans Pedersen Varen (skal sikkert være Veien, sønn av Peder Jørgensen Veien) den 7 okt 1867.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000006544268

 

Det betyr ikke at dette ikke er vår Hans Christian eller at han ikke kan ha blitt gift igjen i England, men det gjør det vel litt mindre sannsynlig?

Endret April 14, 2021 av Per.H.Skaug

[Egil Johannessen]

Foreldrene giftet seg i 1842 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000009274613

[Per.H.Skaug]

Her er Hans Pedersen født 1842, gift med Ane Jørgensen, på Veiholmen i Edøy ved FT i 1875. Da er dette neppe den riktige, om han da er identisk med Hans Christian Pedersen Falch https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052358000158

[Egil Johannessen]

6 minutter siden, Per.H.Skaug skrev:

Det betyr ikke at dette ikke er vår Hans Christian eller at han ikke kan ha blitt gift igjen i England, men det gjør det vel litt mindre sannsynlig?

 

Ja, det er nok ikke denne karen - her er vel Hans og Ane i FT 1875 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052358000158

 

Sykdomstilstand:

Spedalsk

Endret April 14, 2021 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

Godt forsøk Inger Karin 😊 !

 

Det er bare å fortsett å lete etter kandidater...

 

Men; det kan være veldig greit å få på plass så mye informasjon som mulig fra England.

[Inger Karin Haarbye]

Vel, bra for alt som er utelukket også. Dette blir jo litt leting i blinde, siden vi vet så lite. Det finnes en Peter Falk født utenfor ekteskap på Røros 1823. Han ser ut til å få et barn (også uekte) i Trondheim 1843 (Peter Martin). Han var kobberslager, så han kan ha reist litt rundt. Ikke så mange andre Peter Falk jeg kan finne.

Endret April 14, 2021 av Inger Karin Haarbye

[Per.H.Skaug]

Noe av utfordringen med et navn som Falch, er vel at det ikke nødvendigvis er ført i folketellinger og kirkebok, det kan jo ha vært patronymikonet som ble brukt mest?

[Caroline Falk]

7 hours ago, Ola Teige said:

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/naturalisation-british-citizenship/ 

Thank you, I am working my way through this.🙂

[Caroline Falk]

1 hour ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Dette er ikke den Christian Falk som endte opp i England. Danske Christian Falk var gift og bodde i Egvad (se bilde av FT fra 1870 Frank la inn i tidl. post)

Sadly this is not the Christian Falk I am searching for. But many thanks for looing for him! I will find him eventually 🙂

[Caroline Falk]

1 hour ago, Inger Karin Haarbye said:

Har denne vært vurdert? Hans Christian Falch f. 19. febr. 1842 på Edøy. #14:

 

Møre og Romsdal county, Edøy, Brattvær, Hopen in Edøy, Parish register (official) no. 581A04 (1836-1852), Born and baptised 1842, Page 24
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070913660026
Permanent image-link: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070913660026.jpg

 

 

 

Thank you for looking, but this is not the Christian Falk I am looking for. My Christian Falk was born in Norway around 1840 to 1841 and died in Burton Upon Trent in England in 1908. 🙂

[Caroline Falk]

23 hours ago, Frank Marton Pedersen said:

Trolig konen Elizabeth som dør i 1904:

 

Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014 - Ancestry.com

 

Elizabeth Falk

Name:	Elizabeth Falk
Estimated Birth Year:	abt 1842
Registration Year:	1904
Registration Quarter:	Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death:	62
Registration District:	Burton upon Trent
Parishes for this Registration District:	View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:	Staffordshire
Volume:	6b
Page:	235

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I can confirm these are most definately the census for the Christian Falk in my Falk Family Tree.  I have been researching him for some years and got back to 1868 when he married his Elizabeth Biggs, in England. Before 1868 he is a mystery!

[Egil Johannessen]

2 timer siden, Egil Johannessen skrev:

Census 1871 - do you have the scanned original? If so, can you determine whether it states Christiansund or Christiansand?

 

England and Wales Census, 1871 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD6-J7G

 

Be great if you could answer the above question.....

 

and also, if you have the scanned original, could you post it here?

Endret April 14, 2021 av Egil Johannessen

[Caroline Falk]

2 hours ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Census 1871 - do you have the scanned original? If so, can you determine whether it states Christiansund or Christiansand?

 

England and Wales Census, 1871 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD6-J7G

Name: Christian Falk
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Horninglow, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Horninglow, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District: Burton Upon Trent
Enumeration District: 25
Sex: Male
Age: 29
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Police Constable
Birth Year (Estimated): 1842
Birthplace: Christiansund, Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/2907/0158

Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
Christian Falk    Head    M    29    Christiansund, Norway
Elizabeth Falk    Wife    F    27    Bristol St Philip'S, Gloucestershire
Joseph John Falk    Son    M    2    Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Edward Falk    Son    M    0    Gloucester, Gloucestershire

 

 

 

[Caroline Falk]

2 hours ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Census 1871 - do you have the scanned original? If so, can you determine whether it states Christiansund or Christiansand?

 

England and Wales Census, 1871 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDD6-J7G

Name: Christian Falk
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Horninglow, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Horninglow, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District: Burton Upon Trent
Enumeration District: 25
Sex: Male
Age: 29
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Police Constable
Birth Year (Estimated): 1842
Birthplace: Christiansund, Norway
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/2907/0158

Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
Christian Falk    Head    M    29    Christiansund, Norway
Elizabeth Falk    Wife    F    27    Bristol St Philip'S, Gloucestershire
Joseph John Falk    Son    M    2    Gloucester, Gloucestershire
Edward Falk    Son    M    0    Gloucester, Gloucestershire

 

 

Hello, in the 1871 Census it is written as Christiansund. I hope this helps. 

[Per.H.Skaug]

Caroline, I think Egil was wondering about the original, not the transcribed extract. Quite often, English speakers will misunderstand Norwegian names and places (happens to me all the time, today). EDIT: Saw you posted the census records after I wrote this comment, and it is clearly written Christiansund.

 

On another note, I would not be too hung up on the exact year of his birth between 1840 and 1841. Ages and records in Norway were often not that exact. Also, far form everyone used fixed surnames, even if they had one. I think the candidate that was found above born in 1842 as Hans Christian Pedersen, with a mother named Falch, could have been an ideal candidate, aside from the minor snag that he was found in Norway later on...

 

In other words, I don't think your candidate has to be a Christian Falch/Falk, son of a Peter Falch, born in Kristiansund between 1840 to 1841. We may need to look a bit wider (which is also part of the challenge which makes this interesting).

 

Endret April 14, 2021 av Per.H.Skaug

[Caroline Falk]

1 hour ago, Per.H.Skaug said:

I konfirmasjonen som Egil har funnet og ved fødselen av kandidaten til Inger Karin, står det jo at faren heter Peder, så denne må jo i høyeste grad være interessant!

It is a facinating mystery indeed, thank you for looking.

[Caroline Falk]

1 minute ago, Per.H.Skaug said:

Caroline, I think Egil was wondering about the original, not the transcribed extract. Quite often, English speakers will misunderstand Nowegian names and places (happens to me all the time, today).

 

On another note, I would not be too hung up on the exact year of his birth between 1840 and 1841. Ages and records in Norway were often not that exact. Also, far form everyone used fixed surnames, even if they had one. I think the candidate that was found above born in 1842 as Hans Christian Pedersen, with a mother named Falch, could have been an ideal candidate, aside from the minor snag that he was found in Norway later on...

 

In other words, I don't think your candidate has to be a Christian Falch, son of a Peter Falch, born in Kristiansund between 1840 to 1841. We may need to look a bit wider (which is also part of the challenge which makes this interesting).

 

Hello, Thank you for explaining this to me.

I am cutting and pasting like a crazy woman to Google Translate so that I can understand the  information people are kindly sending me!

Some of the web sites have an English translate built into them, but not all, and some lovely messages are coming to me that I am desperate to reply to. All very exciting. Regards Caroline

[Per.H.Skaug]

Initially we were all responding in Norwegian to Karina, who made the Original Post, but now that you are on the thread, I think most of us wil try our best to respond in English. I am sure we can try to give at least a rough transcription if there is meaningful information in any of the records.

Endret April 14, 2021 av Per.H.Skaug

[Caroline Falk]

2 hours ago, Karina Huseby said:

TAKK for det..Da må vi lete i Sverige kanskje? Hvor kan denne Christian være? 

Hello Karina,

this is so exciting! I wonder where he came from. I am trying to keep up with the messages using the Google Translate!

I may be replying on here incorrectly as there are no English intstuctions on this web site. I think I have also replied to myself! 😂

[Egil Johannessen]

2 minutter siden, Caroline Falk skrev:

I may be replying on here incorrectly as there are no English intstuctions on this web site.

 

You're doing fine 😊 !

 

For your information; guide & instructions in English (just scroll down)

 

https://forum.arkivverket.no/announcement/4-hvordan-registrere-seg-og-andre-nyttige-veiledninger-how-to-register-and-other-useful-guides/

 

https://forum.arkivverket.no/announcement/2-ordensregler-for-debattene-discussion-forum-rules/