Sokneprest Lauritz Lauritsen Bjerkreims første kone Randi Taraldsdatter - kilder?

[Arne Østensen]

Sokneprest Lauritz Lauritssen Bjerkreims første kone er stort sett ukjent i diverse kilder, men blir nevnt som Randi Taraldsdatter blant annet her på forumet. Finnes det noen kilder for dette eller er det bare spekulasjoner? Laurits andre kone er kjent som Adelus Hansdatter Teiste. Randi skal være mor til Bodil Larsdatter som ble gift med Jens Lauritsen Hellesmark i Lund kommune. Dette er dokumentert i Lunds Historie 1.

 

Mvh

Arne Østensen

[Grethe Flood]

1 time siden, Arne Østensen skrev:

Sokneprest Lauritz Lauritssen Bjerkreims første kone er stort sett ukjent i diverse kilder, men blir nevnt som Randi Taraldsdatter blant annet her på forumet.

 

 

[Bruce Solberg]

The only source I know of is Lunds Historie.   I have her as a 13th generation direct ancestor .   Her Mother was also named Bodil, wife of Torger Njeldsen Slettebo,  so naming convention does work as her daughter is named Bodil.    

here is a partial listing of her ancestors from my tree.    

 

Relation of Ramborg Knutsdotter Lejon, VV# to Randi Taraldsdatter V: Direct descendant (8 generations)

Here's how:

1. Tore (Tord) Gardson Garå, II VV# is a son of Ramborg Knutsdotter Lejon, VV#

2. Gunnbjørn Tordson, Gara Tengs, VVV is a son of Tore (Tord) Gardson Garå, II VV#

3. Oluf Gunnbjørnsen Tengs, VVV is a son of Gunnbjørn Tordson, Gara Tengs, VVV

4. Eldrid Olufsdatter Tengs, VVV is a daughter of Oluf Gunnbjørnsen Tengs, VVV

5. Torgeir Svendson Slettebø, VVV is a son of Eldrid Olufsdatter Tengs, VVV

6. NN Torgersdotter Slettebø, VVV is a daughter of Torgeir Svendson Slettebø, VVV

7. Torger Njeldsen Slettebø, VVV is a son of NN Torgersdotter Slettebø, VVV

8. Randi Taraldsdatter V is a daughter of Torger Njeldsen Slettebø, VVV

 

Bruce

[Arne Østensen]

1 time siden, Bruce Solberg skrev:

The only source I know of is Lunds Historie.

Jeg kan ikke se at Lunds historie nevner Randi Tollaksdatter.  Hvis du har en kilde for Torger Njeldsen Slettebø hadde det vært fint. Jeg tenker på bygdebok eller andre dokumenter frs seriøse slektsforskere.

 

Arne

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

2 timer siden, Bruce Solberg skrev:

The only source I know of is Lunds Historie.   I have her as a 13th generation direct ancestor .   Her Mother was also named Bodil, wife of Torger Njeldsen Slettebo,  so naming convention does work as her daughter is named Bodil.    

here is a partial listing of her ancestors from my tree.    

 

Relation of Ramborg Knutsdotter Lejon, VV# to Randi Taraldsdatter V: Direct descendant (8 generations)

Here's how:

1. Tore (Tord) Gardson Garå, II VV# is a son of Ramborg Knutsdotter Lejon, VV#

2. Gunnbjørn Tordson, Gara Tengs, VVV is a son of Tore (Tord) Gardson Garå, II VV#

3. Oluf Gunnbjørnsen Tengs, VVV is a son of Gunnbjørn Tordson, Gara Tengs, VVV

4. Eldrid Olufsdatter Tengs, VVV is a daughter of Oluf Gunnbjørnsen Tengs, VVV

5. Torgeir Svendson Slettebø, VVV is a son of Eldrid Olufsdatter Tengs, VVV

6. NN Torgersdotter Slettebø, VVV is a daughter of Torgeir Svendson Slettebø, VVV

7. Torger Njeldsen Slettebø, VVV is a son of NN Torgersdotter Slettebø, VVV

8. Randi Taraldsdatter V is a daughter of Torger Njeldsen Slettebø, VVV

 

Bruce

 

At Randi Taraldsdatter skulle være datter av en Torger faller på sin egen urimelighet.

 

Det går jo an å starte med det som er kjent om Lundspresten: 

I Sokndalspresten Oluf Bentsen Mandals almanakknedtegnelser fra 1620- og 30-tallet blir det opplyst at Laurits Lauritsen Bjerkreim og Adelus Hansdatter ble viet av Ole Bentsen i Lund kirke 12. juli 1629: https://www.genealogi.dk/images/pht/1902/1902_4-5-0.pdf (side 141). Kilden til opplysningen skal også finnes i scannet versjon i nasjonalbibliotekets samling men jeg klarer i forbifarten ikke å finne den. 

[Bruce Solberg]

Ann:  

• Lund 110.
• Bjerkreim i.135, 
• Hetl.skp.I.515

these are the sources i have listed for Torger Njeldson from my cousins tree which i imported for the Haukland/Solberg portion,  and are also  listed on geni as their  sources according to my record.         I do not have access to Bjerkreimboka, or Hetland skipreide, and have to borrow lunds, so cannot check before this reply.   Lunds was listed in the tree from my cousin as a source for Randi, ..but perhaps that was a copy of  the bodil grandmother link, my error.  

 

 What I do know,  is that Njeld on Teske  1560 was a neighbor of Leiel on Haukland 1550,  for  whom I have 6 ancestral lines leading back to .   Some ( Zidjemans) have Leiel Marrying Njeld onTeske's daughter,   but I do not believe that that is correct because of child bearing years and ages of children:  it is more likely that one of Leiels children , Sveinung or a possible second bjorn (II)  is the partner.       

 

   A good reference I use  is Eivinds.net ( gardsproject)     which also gives sources, and which i believe is more accurate,   and pushes NN Njeldsdatter later to one of the male children of Leiel,  as if the dates are correct,  Njeld on Teske was 10 yrs younger than Leiel.     

 

  Teske is referenced under Haukland gard  on eivinds.net  just google eivinds.net. 

 

  I do not know of any way of solving this unknown  except through dna,  or finding new records.   Eivind Saetre continues to work on this last unknown link ,  and is doing it logically, and I believe correctly.    I check in on it occasionally.  

 

Note:  there are several different spellings Torger vs torgier,  tarald vs toralde,  Njeld vs njel  among others.  Hope this helps.   

 

Bruce  

 

 

 

 

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

1 time siden, Bruce Solberg skrev:

Ann:  

• Lund 110.
• Bjerkreim i.135, 
• Hetl.skp.I.515

these are the sources i have listed for Torger Njeldson from my cousins tree which i imported for the Haukland/Solberg portion,  and are also  listed on geni as their  sources according to my record.         I do not have access to Bjerkreimboka, or Hetland skipreide, and have to borrow lunds, so cannot check before this reply.   Lunds was listed in the tree from my cousin as a source for Randi, ..but perhaps that was a copy of  the bodil grandmother link, my error.  

 

 What I do know,  is that Njeld on Teske  1560 was a neighbor of Leiel on Haukland 1550,  for  whom I have 6 ancestral lines leading back to .   Some ( Zidjemans) have Leiel Marrying Njeld onTeske's daughter,   but I do not believe that that is correct because of child bearing years and ages of children:  it is more likely that one of Leiels children , Sveinung or a possible second bjorn (II)  is the partner.       

 

   A good reference I use  is Eivinds.net ( gardsproject)     which also gives sources, and which i believe is more accurate,   and pushes NN Njeldsdatter later to one of the male children of Leiel,  as if the dates are correct,  Njeld on Teske was 10 yrs younger than Leiel.     

 

  Teske is referenced under Haukland gard  on eivinds.net  just google eivinds.net. 

 

  I do not know of any way of solving this unknown  except through dna,  or finding new records.   Eivind Saetre continues to work on this last unknown link ,  and is doing it logically, and I believe correctly.    I check in on it occasionally.  

 

Note:  there are several different spellings Torger vs torgier,  tarald vs toralde,  Njeld vs njel  among others.  Hope this helps.   

 

Bruce  

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry but your findings from the familytree does not match the information in "Bjerkreimboka" (Bjerkreimboka I - Lisabet Risa - 1997). According to Bjerkreimboka Torger Njeldson Slettebø/Bjerkreim was Laurits Lauritsen Bjerkreim's grandfather.  Attached below two pages from Bjerkreimboka (page 134 and 135).

 

 

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

Per Seland er vel den som mest detaljert har omtalt presten Laurits Lauritsen Bjerkreim i bygdeboka for Sirdal, bind VI (Kultursoge - 2001) på s. 418. Han omtaler prestens første kone som ukjent.

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

[Jan H. Trelsgård]

Laurits Lauritsen og Adelus Hansdatters datter som var gift med Ole Pedersen Abelsnes het for øvrig Birgitte Lauritsdatter/Larsdatter: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rg10411211281143 (Ekstrarettsprotokoll Lister sorenskriveri 1722-23, fol. 138b, nederste avsnitt).

[Bruce Solberg]

Jan ,   your observation is right on and i will remove that  Torger link to Randi.   Thanks for pointing that out....I missed it😒.     It was from the original Haukland/solberg tree i imported,  and which I  thought to be correct. 

 

 The options for a Tarald  in Adger. are listed below as Haukland owned land in Rogaland at one time, and Married into the farms there.   

but as Slettebo is in Rogaland one would look for Taralds closer,    Røysland, and Hatleskog have Taralds in my tree    

 

Tarald Leielson Moi....1580       Married,  with one known child is a possibility

Tarald Taraldsen Augland 1550     No known wife or children 

https://www.genealogi.no/publikasjoner/folk-agder-1591-1611-fornavn/312/        Taralds listed in Adger.....if there is an equivalent document  for Rogaland,  it would be a good resource.   

 

 

     Without this torger connection now ,  it  opens again the question of the correct cognatic mother....Randi Taraldsdatter or Adelus Hansdatter.    I will change the connection to only descend from  Lauritz lauritzen.    

 

Bruce  

[Bruce Solberg]

Many thanks Jan...i now have some cleanup work to do on the initial file.    Happy New Year!   

Bruce 

[Arne Østensen]

13 timer siden, Bruce Solberg skrev:

but as Slettebo is in Rogaland

Det er flere Slettbø gårder også i Rogaland!

 

Ellers takk for svar og kommentarer, men ikke noen oppklaring hvordan Randi Taraldsdatter har kommet inn i bildet.

13 timer siden, Bruce Solberg skrev:

correct cognatic mother

Bodil Lauritsdatter sin mor er vel ukjent for tiden, Laurits ble gift i 1629 med Adelus Hansdatter Teise og Bodil er født ca 1620.

 

Arne