Magnar Pedersen/Pettersen Øverland f. 18.04.1890 (Bolsøy/Molde) - Kjent som Harry Petersen i Amerika - Emigrerte til Brooklyn, New York, rundt 1909 - Døde trolig i Amerika, men når døde han?

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Hei!

 

Håper at flere gode øyne kan hjelpe meg med denne nøtten!

 

Jeg lurer på følgende:

 

1. Når døde Harry Petersen (Magnar Øverland)? 

2. Når døde konen Laura Petersen?

3. Laura Petersen utvandret angivelig fra Norge. Når ble hun født og hvor kom hun fra?

 

Magnar/Magner Pettersen/Pedersen Øverland ble født på Bolsøy 18.04.1890:

 

SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Møre og Romsdal, SAT/A-1454/555/L0658Ministerialbok nr. 555A09, 1887-1917, s. 24
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050413020024

 

FT1900 - 004 Magnar Pedersen - 0108 Øverland - 001 - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1900 for 1544 Bolsøy herred - Digitalarkivet

FT1910 - 001 Peder Anton Hansen - 0059 Nerbø - 002 Fuglset - Tellingskretsoversikt - Folketelling 1910 for 1544 Bolsøy herred - Digitalarkivet

Magnar er ikke oppgitt i husstanden i FT1910, trolig har han emigrert før dette!

 

 

I 1949 etterlyses Magnar Øverland av skifteretten og av søster Sigrid. Han går under navnet Harry Petersen, hotellarbeider og bosatt i Brooklyn, New York:

 

 

Det er kjent at Harry Petersen (Magnar Øverland) var gift med Laura Petersen. Rundt 1930 skal paret ha sendt et postkort til familie i Norge stemplet i Brooklyn, New York.

 

Her er WWI-draftet til Harry Peterson, fødselsdato og geografi stemmer på en prikk: 

 

New York, U.S., Abstracts of World War I Military Service, 1917-1919 - Ancestry.com

 

 

 

 

Dette må være Harry og Laura i ulike Census:

 

Census 1920 - 1920 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Harry Peterson
Age:	29
Birth Year:	abt 1891
Birthplace:	Norway
Home in 1920:	Brooklyn Assembly District 7, Kings, New York
Residence Date:	1920
Race:	White
Gender:	Male
Immigration Year:	1914
Relation to Head of House:	Head
Marital Status:	Married
Spouse's Name:	Laure Peterson
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Native Tongue:	Norwegian
Able to Speak English:	Yes
Occupation:	Rigger
Industry:	Shipyard
Employment Field:	Wage or Salary
Naturalization Status:	Papers
Neighbors:	View others on page
Household Members Age Relationship Harry Peterson 29 Head Laure Peterson 30 Wife

 

 

 

Census 1930 - 1930 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Harry Peterson
Birth Year:	abt 1890
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Age in 1930:	40
Birthplace:	Norway
Marital Status:	Married
Relation to Head of House:	Head
Home in 1930:	Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Map of Home:	Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Street Address:	4th Avenue.
Ward of City:	7th Assembly Dist part
Block:	F
House Number:	5726
Dwelling Number:	117
Family Number:	550
Home Owned or Rented:	Rented
Home Value:	53
Radio Set:	Yes
Lives on Farm:	No
Age at First Marriage:	26
Attended School:	No
Able to Read and Write:	Yes
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Language Spoken:	Norwegian
Immigration Year:	1909
Naturalization:	Naturalized
Able to Speak English:	Yes
Occupation:	Rigger
Industry:	Bldg Treas
Class of Worker:	Wage or salary worker
Employment:	Yes
Veteran:	Yes
War:	WW
Household Members Age Relationship Harry Peterson 40 Head Laura Peterson 39 Wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36327016/harry-peterson-overland

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/468420:60954?tid=&pid=&queryId=230edf79eba3ec35936fb127938e7adb&_phsrc=ITW15802&_phstart=successSource

 

Name:	Violet Lucille Hannaford
Gender:	Female
Marriage Date:	30 Dec 1937
Marriage Place:	Carson City, Nevada, USA
Spouse:	Harry Pedersen Overland
Marriage Description:	Carson
Marriage Record Number:	39746126

[Anton Hagelee]

Violet Lucille Hannaford

in the North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000

Name:Violet Lucille Hannaford

Gender:Female

Birth Date:17 Apr 1909

Birth Place:Prowers Co, Col

Father:Fred Hannaford

Mother:Nancy Ann Harlan

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/4224769:61157

 

 

Endret Februar 12, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MX-S3M3?i=848&cc=1999177&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGYL-YWSM

[Sven Hjortland]

Jeg tror dette er Laura Peterson: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000742849

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&r=an&db=nypl&indiv=try&h=2003770891

 

Name:	Lotte Helgesen
Gender:	Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality:	Scandinavian
Marital status:	Single
Age:	28
Birth Date:	abt 1899
Birth Place:	Norway
Other Birth Place:	Haugesund
Last Known Residence:	Haugesund, Norway
Departure Port:	Stavanger, Norway
Arrival Date:	22 Sep 1927
Arrival Port:	New York, New York, USA
Final Destination:	Haugesund, Norway
Years in US:	Permanently
Citizenship Intention:	Yes
Height:	5 Feet, 6 Inches
Hair Color:	Dark
Eye Color:	Brown
Complexion:	Fair
Money in Possession:	150
Person in Old Country:	Martha Helgesen
Person in Old Country Relationship:	Mother
Person in Old Country Residence:	Haugesund
Person in US:	Laura Overland
Person in US Relationship:	Sister
Mother:	Martha Helgesen
Sibling:	Laura Overland
Ship Name:	Stavangerfjord
Search Ship Database:	Search for the Stavangerfjord in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Endret Februar 12, 2022 av Sven Hjortland

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Dette er helt suverent!

 

Men Census 1930 forvirrer litt. Er der snakk om samme mann i to ulike tellinger? Altså at han er fraværende i den ene tellingen?

 

Her er Harry og Laura i 1930:

 

Census 1930 - 1930 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Harry Peterson
Birth Year:	abt 1890
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Age in 1930:	40
Birthplace:	Norway
Marital Status:	Married
Relation to Head of House:	Head
Home in 1930:	Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA
Map of Home:	Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Street Address:	4th Avenue.
Ward of City:	7th Assembly Dist part
Block:	F
House Number:	5726
Dwelling Number:	117
Family Number:	550
Home Owned or Rented:	Rented
Home Value:	53
Radio Set:	Yes
Lives on Farm:	No
Age at First Marriage:	26
Attended School:	No
Able to Read and Write:	Yes
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Language Spoken:	Norwegian
Immigration Year:	1909
Naturalization:	Naturalized
Able to Speak English:	Yes
Occupation:	Rigger
Industry:	Bldg Treas
Class of Worker:	Wage or salary worker
Employment:	Yes
Veteran:	Yes
War:	WW
Household Members Age Relationship Harry Peterson 40 Head Laura Peterson 39 Wife

 

 

 

 

Her er Harry P. Overland i Census 1930:

 

1930 United States Federal Census - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Harry P Overland
Birth Year:	abt 1891
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Age in 1930:	39
Birthplace:	Norway
Marital Status:	Married
Relation to Head of House:	Roomer
Home in 1930:	Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Map of Home:	Manhattan, New York, New York
Street Address:	East 86 Street
Ward of City:	16 Assembly
Block:	E.
House Number:	310
Dwelling Number:	9
Family Number:	14
Lives on Farm:	No
Age at First Marriage:	29
Attended School:	No
Able to Read and Write:	Yes
Father's Birthplace:	Norway
Mother's Birthplace:	Norway
Language Spoken:	Norweg
Immigration Year:	1909
Naturalization:	Naturalized
Able to Speak English:	Yes
Occupation:	Labor
Industry:	Building Trade
Class of Worker:	Wage or salary worker
Employment:	Yes
Veteran:	Yes
War:	WW
Household Members Age Relationship Charles Wallbott 50 Head Mary S Wallbott 46 Wife Joseph Mcgyrea 40 Roomer Herman Asness 35 Lodger Edna Asness 26 Lodger Hans Janss   Roomer Harry P Overland 39 Roomer Paul Kirschnev 59 Roomer Vincent O Leary 34 Roomer James Fahy 25 Roomer

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037255001125

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2C2-W86R     Name	Harry Peterson
Sex	Male
Age	29
Birth Year (Estimated)	1890
Father's Name	Peder Anton Hansen
Mother's Name	Marie Christine Hansen
Spouse's Name	Laura Helgesen
Spouse's Sex	Female
Spouse's Age	30
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)	1889
Spouse's Father's Name	Lars Helgesen
Spouse's Mother's Name	Martha Nilsen
Marriage Date	20 Dec 1919
Marriage Place	Kings, New York, United States

[Sven Hjortland]

Nummer 73

 

Rogaland fylke, Haugesund i Haugesund, Klokkerbok nr. B 2 (1881-1894), Fødte og døpte 1884, Side 36
Permanent bilde-ID: kb20051208020699
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051208020699
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051208020699.jpg
 

[Sven Hjortland]

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=3693&h=48467522&tid=&pid=&queryId=74bff5efb34aba37105d1916d11969b2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ITW15824&_phstart=successSource

 

Name:	Laura Petersen
Social Security Number:	108-28-4323
Birth Date:	12 Oct 1884
Issue Year:	1952-1954
Issue State:	New York
Last Residence:	703, (U.S. Consulate) Oslo, Norway
Death Date:	Oct 1971

[Sven Hjortland]

Laura Petersen døde i Haugesund 10. oktober 1971

 

https://www.nb.no/items/0259c8e6d9bdcc3ddf14256994525f89?page=15&searchText="laura petersen"

[Sven Hjortland]

Graven til Laura https://www.slektogdata.no/gravminner/grav/b50842a0-1fb2-42af-b2bc-337450fde667

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Hjertelig takk til Svein og Anton for god hjelp! Du imponerer stort (igjen!) her, Svein!

 

Jeg oppsummerer litt:

 

Harry (Magnar) Pedersen Overland giftet seg i 1919 med Laura Amalie Helgesen (f. 1884) fra Haugesund. Paret må ha gått fra hverandre, for Laura returnerer til Haugesund igjen hvor hun dør i 1971. Harry gifter seg på nytt i 1937 i Nevada med Violet Lucille Hannaford. Harry dør i Oregon i 1972, Violet dør i 1984 i Washington.

 

Census 1930 "plager" meg imidlertid ørlite grann. Jeg finner både Harry Peterson, gift med Laura, OG Harry P. Overland, gift roomer (se post over). Det må være snakk om samme mann i to ulike tellinger? Altså at han er fraværende i den ene tellingen? Jeg har sett lignende fra Norge ved et par anledninger. 

 

Hva tenker dere her, Svein og Anton ?

 

 

 

Washington, U.S., Death Index, 1940-2017 - Ancestry.com

 

Name:	Lucille V Overland
Gender:	Female
Age:	75
Birth Year:	abt 1909
Residence Place:	King, Washington, USA
Death Date:	26 Jun 1984
Death Place:	King, Washington

Endret Februar 12, 2022 av Frank Marton Pedersen

[Sven Hjortland]

4 minutter siden, Frank Marton Pedersen skrev:

Hva tenker du her, Svein?

Jeg tror også det er sånn det henger sammen.

 

Laura Helgesen emigrerer i 1910 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000368829

[Frank Marton Pedersen]

Skolefoto av Violet Hannaford (ref. bosted Census 1930)

 

U.S., School Yearbooks, 1900-1999 - Ancestry.com

 

 

Name:	Violet Hannaford
Estimated Age:	16
Birth Year:	abt 1911
Yearbook Date:	1927
School:	Albany Union High School
School Location:	Albany, Oregon, USA