Mulig romani-forfedre?

[meponstot]

(Norsk):

Hallo!

Gjennom DNA-testing fant jeg ut at jeg konsekvent har høye og nøyaktige sørasiatiske aner. Dette gjorde meg til dette, kanskje jeg har romanske aner. Forfedrene mine var fra Trøndelag i norge (selv om jeg er amerikaner).

Jeg vil gi en lenke til slektstreet mitt: http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/68023875/invitees/accept?inviteId=531cf0a8-2cbe-4255-b4e0-bb5dd7b5847a

Jeg tror min mistenkte romani/tater-forfar var "Ole Halvorsen Vold" (født 1837, i Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norge), selv om det kan være hvem som helst fra den siden eller sannsynligvis lenger ned i hans slekt (kanskje en forelder til Ole, eller besteforeldre osv.)

Jeg håpet at noen kunne peke meg i riktig retning for å søke etter mulige ledetråder som kunne indikere mulige romanske aner?

Tusen takk for all hjelp på forhånd!

 

 

(English):

Hello!

 

Through DNA testing, I found that I have consistently hight and accurate south asian ancestry. This made me this, perhaps I have Romani ancestry. My ancestors were from the Trøndelag region of norway (although I am American).

 

I will provide a link to my family tree: http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/68023875/invitees/accept?inviteId=531cf0a8-2cbe-4255-b4e0-bb5dd7b5847a 

 

I believe my suspected Romani/tater ancestor was "Ole Halvorsen Vold" (born 1837, in Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norway), although it could be anyone from that side or likely further down his lineage (perhaps a parent of Ole's, or grandparent, etc.)

 

I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction of searching for possible clues that might indicate possible Romani ancestry? 

 

 

Thank you all so much for all your help in advance!

[Anton Hagelee]

2 hours ago, meponstot said:

Hallo!

Gjennom DNA-testing fant jeg ut at jeg konsekvent har høye og nøyaktige sørasiatiske aner. Dette gjorde meg til dette, kanskje jeg har romanske aner. Forfedrene mine var fra Trøndelag i norge (selv om jeg er amerikaner).

Jeg vil gi en lenke til slektstreet mitt: http://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tools/tree/68023875/invitees/accept?inviteId=531cf0a8-2cbe-4255-b4e0-bb5dd7b5847a

 

 

Your link did not work for me. I got this message when I tried to use it. 

 

"Your invitation has already been used.

The invitation could not be found, or it has already been accepted."

 

It also might be of value if you describe the DNA testing your are taking about and what firm did the testing. 

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

I did find a Family Tree on  Ancestry.com for 

 

Ole Halvorsen Vold

1837–1929

BIRTH 14 OCT 1837 • Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norway

DEATH 25 FEB 1929 • Trondheim, Sor-Trondelag, Norway

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/77704628/person/180197377465/facts?_phsrc=Yze1&_phstart=successSource

 

It is probably not your tree but looks to be the person you are interested in. Now a problem is that only those who have a subscription to Ancestry.com can use the link so that does limit somewhat the number of people who can look at the Tree. 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here are some Census  records that fit the Ole Vold from the above Tree. 

 

1910 FT 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036806020246

 

1900 FT 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037426031648

 

1891 FT 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053073011426

 

 

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Baptism 1837 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000039951417

 

Nr. 1 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050504040012

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here are the parents of Ole in the 1865 Census, Haldor Rasmussen and Guru Pedersdatter 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038343002850

 

And the 1875 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052393000980

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Baptism of Haldor in 1810.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000001542502

 

Nr. 3 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070927680187

 

Possibly his father Rasmus in the 1801 Census 

 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058461001268

 

Married in 1806

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000001058329

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Arnstein Rønning]

You may transfer your Ancestry DNA test for free to My Heritage, where most Norwegians are testing. You may also transfer for free to FamilyTree DNA (also used by many Norwegians).

[Anton Hagelee]

It gets a little tricky to push your ancestry back further in time. The various Trees on Ancestry.com have the father of Haldor Rasmusen born 1810 as  

 

Rasmus Haldorsen

1782–1835

BIRTH 17 JUN 1782 • Gudbrandsdalen, Oppland, Norway

DEATH 01 JAN 1835 • Vuku, Nord-Trondelag, Norway

 

The birth year of 1782 fits the Rasmus from the 1801 Census posted above. But I would question the birth place. A better fit would be this Rasmus.

 

Rasmus Haldorsen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Rasmus Haldorsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:17 Jun 1782

Baptism Date:28 Jul 1782

Baptism Place:Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norway

Father:Haldor Rasmussen

FHL Film Number:125436

Reference ID:book 1

 

 

 

 

 

                                      

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Rasmus Haldorsen born in 1782 probably had a brother named Ole born in 1784. 

 

Ole Haldorsen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Ole Haldorsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:14 Nov 1784

Baptism Date:06 Feb 1785

Baptism Place:Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norway

Father:Haldor Rasmusen

FHL Film Number:125436

Reference ID:book 1

 

I did manage to find his original baptism record. His father is Holder Rasmusen Høen. Sixth record from the bottom on the right hand page. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070927640395

 

Probably Ole out on his own in the 1801 Census 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058460002148

 

 

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Looking more carefully at the 1801 Census for Ole, I see at the same farm Kjesboe a Haldohr Rasmussen born about 1741 and his wife Maria Olsdatter born about 1751 and several children. Both in their first marriage. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058460002148

 

Need a little more digging to find out if this man could be the father of the Rasmus and Ole born in the 1780's?

 

I see there is a Bygdebok for Sparbu. We would need to have some kind soul try and find out the history and ancestry of the Haldor Rasmusen Høen or Kjesboe to move much this family back in time. 

 

Aarholt, Tormod,Bygdebok for Sparbu og Ogndal, [Sparbu] : Utgitt av Bygdeboknemnda for Sparbu og Ogndal, 1983-. A history of Sparbu and Ogndal in Nord-Trøndelag, Norway and a genealogy of the people and their farms. FHL 948.42/S6 H2b

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is the baptism of one of the sons of Haldor Ramsusen and Maria Olsdatter in 1792. Born in 1791. Father is called Haldor Høen in this record. Probably means this man and wife are the parents of both Rasmus and Ole as well as the children found in the 1801 Census.

 

Haldor Haldorsen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Haldor Haldorsen

Gender:Male

Birth Date:06 Nov 1791

Baptism Date:11 Mar 1792

Baptism Place:Sparbu, Nord-Trondelag, Norway

Father:Haldor Höen

Mother:Maria Höen

FHL Film Number:125436

Reference ID:book 1

 

Second record from the bottom, right hand page

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070927640447

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Mars 7, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[meponstot]

On 3/6/2022 at 4:50 PM, Anton Hagelee said:

 

Your link did not work for me. I got this message when I tried to use it. 

 

"Your invitation has already been used.

The invitation could not be found, or it has already been accepted."

 

It also might be of value if you describe the DNA testing your are taking about and what firm did the testing. 

 

 

I took both gedmatch and 23andme and had consistently high levels of south asian that would indicate roma ancestry. a few of my matches from the same region of norway match with me on these segments, where they also score south asian. I think roma ancestry is a possibility-- but I am not sure where to look for it in records, etc...