Jorine Cecilie (not sure the last name, Knutsdatter it should have been), Lauritz Knutson, and Thore Knutson questions

[Sherry Knutson]

Hello again,

 

I found that Jorine Cicilie lived in Ohio, in the USA, but nothing beyond that.  I had seen that at one point her last name was Thorson and I'm sure why as her parents were Knute Thorson and Dorthea L. Hertervig.  Didn't the Daughters use their Father's first name and add Datter etal to it, so hers should have been Knutsdatter?

 

I know both Lauritz and Thore used their Father's first name and just added son to it.  Anyway, I can't find anything on Thore Knutson since he came to the USA, and because I know that Jorine died in Ohio. Below is what I found on her  Birth: Mar 17, 1867, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway; Death December 29, 1964, Trumbull, Trumbull Cty, Ohio. I can't find a grave, obituary, no family members, nothing more on her, and I would so love to meet the family of my Grandfather's Sister.

 

As for Thore All I can find is that he was born Sept. 29, 1865, Domkirken, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway

 

I also know that Thore and Jorine went to live with Dorthea's sister, while Lauritz went to live with his Father's sister. (Below the info on this)

 

1. Thore, born 1865, lived with aunt Cecilie Ommundsen in 1875, in Stavanger.
2. Jorine Cecilie, born 1867 lived with aunt Cecilie Ommundsen in 1875, in Stavanger.
3. Lauritz, born 1869,  lived with aunt Astrid Thorsdatter in  1875, in Årdal in Ryfylke.

 

I am so hoping I can find out further information on where Thore and Jorine may have ended up (Jorine, as I mentioned, was in Ohio, but Thore I'm not sure about)

 

Thank you in advance, I hope I'm able to further my tree and find some of my relatives on Thore and Jorine's side.  I only wish my Dad was still alive, he so wanted to find out the family history, but died before I could find very much, so I'm doing this because of him...and for his memory.

[Grethe Flood]

19 timer siden, Sherry Knutson skrev:

Birth: Mar 17, 1867, Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway;

 

Rogaland county, St. Petri in St. Petri, Parish register (official) no. A 1 (1861-1868), Born and baptised 1867, Page 214
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1679/224

 

https://rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1103&kenr=001&bnr=0034&lnr=00

 

• Street name: Holmen 37
• Street number:
• City district:
• House owner: Cicilie Omundsen
• Number of flats: 1

Number of persons in this domicile: 21

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	Name	Family status	Marital status	Occupation	Birth year	Place of birth	Ethnicity
	Cecilie Omundsen	hm	e	Spiseværtinde	1830	Stavanger
	Alidt Jørine Andersen	d	ug	Sypige	1857	Stavanger
	Lina Andersen	d	ug	Sypige	1859	Stavanger
	Anna Andersen	d	ug	Forsørges af Moderen	1862	Stavanger
	Anne Marte Jensdatter	Tjenestepige	ug	Tjenestepige	1852	Stavanger
	Thore Thorsen	Pleiebarn		Forsørges af No. 1	1865	Stavanger
	Jorine Thorsen	Pleiebarn		Forsørges af No. 1	1867	Stavanger

 

https://rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=1131&kenr=010&bnr=0053&lnr=00

• Census year: 1875
• Municipality: Årdal
• Municipality number: 1131
• Name of domicile: Erevigen

Number of persons in this domicile: 7

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	Name	Family status	Marital status	Occupation	Birth year	Place of birth	Ethnicity
	Thore Thors.	hf	g	Husmand med Jord	1804	Aardal, H. Prgj.
	Mallin Knudsd.	hans Kone	g		1811	Finø S. Prgj.
	Peder Eners.	deres Svoger	g	Gaardeier og Gaardbruger	1835	Fister S. Prgj.
	Astrid Thorsd.	hans Kone	g		1842	Aardal S, H. Prgj.
	Gurina Pedersd.	deres d		Forsørget af Forældrene	1862	Fister S., H. Prgj.
	Ener Peders.	deres s		Forsørget af Forældrene	1865	Aardal, H. Prgj.
	Louris Knuds.	Logerende		Forsørget af P. Enersen	1869	Stavanger

 

The confirmation record for Thore Thorsen from 1880 - entry no 33:

Rogaland county, Domkirken in Domkirken, Parish register (official) no. A 27 (1878-1896), Confirmation 1880, Page 16
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5143/19

 

And here is the confirmation record for Jorine Cecilie Thorsen from 1882 - entry no 45:

Rogaland county, Domkirken in Domkirken, Parish register (official) no. A 27 (1878-1896), Confirmation 1882, Page 38
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/5143/41

 

 

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

20 timer siden, Sherry Knutson skrev:

Death December 29, 1964, Trumbull, Trumbull Cty, Ohio.

 

???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKLX-W4J

Name	Lena Thorson
Sex	Female
Age	97
Residence Place	Trumbull, Ohio, United States
Death Date	29 Dec 1964
Death Place	Trumbull, Trumbull Township, Ashtabula, Ohio, United States
Death Place (Original)	Trumbull County, Trumbull, Ohio, United States
Birth Date	1867
Birth Year (Estimated)	1867
Marital Status	Married
Race	White
Autopsy Performed	Yes, not used for certification
Certifier's Role	Coroner
Certificate Number	95498
Source Description	Ohio Department of Health
Volume Number	17915
Affiliate Line Number	95496

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Probably the same person in this baptism record from Ancestry.com

 

Jorine Cecilie Knudsdatter

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

Name:Jorine Cecilie Knudsdatter

Gender:Female

Birth Date:17 Mar 1867

Birth Place:Stavanger

Baptism Date:23 Jun 1867

Baptism Place:Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway

Father:Knud Thorsen

Mother:Dorthea Larsdatter

FHL Film Number:307147

Reference ID:Page 214 Line 200

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1749398:60092?ssrc=pt&tid=64745825&pid=40405061723

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Probably her arrival in 1884?

 

Jorine Thorson

 in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

Name:Jorine Thorson

Gender:Female

Ethnicity/ Nationality:Norwegian

Age:17

Birth Date:abt 1867

Birth Place:Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway 

Place of Origin:Norway

Departure Port:Glasgow, Scotland and Larne, Ireland

Destination:USA

Arrival Date:31 Oct 1884

Arrival Port:New York, New York, USA

Ship Name:State of Indiana

 

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=7488&h=10063156&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=61751&_gl=1*15luqi5*_ga*OTcwODE0ODA0LjE2NDExNjIyNjE.*_ga_4QT8FMEX30*MTY1MTI2Nzc1OS44LjEuMTY1MTI2ODQwOC4w

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

22 hours ago, Sherry Knutson said:

Didn't the Daughters use their Father's first name and add Datter etal to it, so hers should have been Knutsdatter?

 

Yes that is true, most of the time. But there are many cases where the children for whatever reason ended up using the same last name as their father. The two children Jorine and Thore seem to have been separated from their parents early in life and adopted the last name of their father ie Thorsen. The other child Lauritz used the Norwegian naming practice and was know as Lewis Knutson.

[Anton Hagelee]

This may be Lena (Jorine} in the 1940 US Census. If  so she appears to be single in 1940.

 

Lena Thorsen

in the 1940 United States Federal Census

Name:Lena Thorsen

Age:74

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1866

Gender:Female

Race:White

Birthplace:Norway

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of House:Head

Home in 1940:Warren, Trumbull, Ohio

Map of Home in 1940:Warren, Trumbull, Ohio

Street:Buckeye Street

Farm:No

Inferred Residence in 1935:Warren, Trumbull, Ohio

Residence in 1935:Warren

Resident on farm in 1935:No

Citizenship:Naturalized

Sheet Number:9B

Number of Household in Order of Visitation:196

House Owned or Rented:Rented

Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented:12

Attended School or College:No

Highest Grade Completed:Elementary school, 8th grade

Weeks Worked in 1939:0

Income:0

Income Other Sources:No

Neighbors:View others on page

Household MembersAgeRelationship

Lena Thorsen74Head

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KWGQ-MLS

 

 

 

 

Endret April 30, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Might be her in the 1930 US Census. Arrival year and birth year are way off but not a lot of Lena Thorsen's from Norway living in Trumbull County, Ohio.

 

Lena Thorson

in the 1930 United States Federal Census

Name:Lena Thorson[Leva Thorson]

Birth Year:abt 1885

Gender:Female

Race:White

Age in 1930:45

Birthplace:Norway

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of House:Roomer

Home in 1930:Warren, Trumbull, Ohio, USA

Map of Home:Warren, Trumbull, Ohio

Street Address:Bank St N. E

Ward of City:3

House Number:415

Dwelling Number:115

Family Number:123

Attended School:No

Able to Read and Write:Yes

Father's Birthplace:Norway

Mother's Birthplace:Norway

Language Spoken:Norwegian

Immigration Year:1901

Naturalization:Naturalized

Able to Speak English:Yes

Occupation:House Work

Industry:private homes

Class of Worker:Wage or salary worker

Employment:Yes

Household MembersAgeRelationship

Ralph C Rufener27Head

Fay Rufener25Wife

Ruth E Rufener4Daughter

Martha E Rufener2Daughter

Maxine Westover23Roomer

Lena Thorson45Roomer

Anne Novotny19Roomer

Elizabeth Delucia19Roomer

Susan H Delucia21Roomer

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4ZD-V2D

 

 

 

 

Endret April 29, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

And this is likely her in the City Directory of Warren, Ohio, in 1925.

 

Lena Thorson

in the U.S., City Directories, 1822-1995

Name:Lena Thorson

Residence Year:1925

Street Address:122 Perkinswood blvd

Residence Place:Warren; Niles; Girard, Ohio, USA

Occupation:Works

Publication Title:Warren, Ohio, City Directory, 1925

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/316715165:2469?tid=&pid=&queryId=b27663fa15bb6f689ba52b4883ddb23c&_phsrc=Red17&_phstart=successSource

 

 

Endret April 29, 2022 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is a bit of a long shot I came across in my searches. 

 

Jorina C Thorson

in the U.S., City Directories, 1822-1995

Name:Jorina C Thorson

Residence Year:1893

Street Address:316 Green

Residence Place:Syracuse, New York, USA

Occupation:Domestic

Publication Title:Syracuse, New York, City Directory, 1893

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/52192408:2469?_phsrc=aOr12&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=jorine+c&gsln=thors*&ml_rpos=1&queryId=cbe03f50fb037ddf5790b54af37bc545

 

And maybe the same person but with the name Lena?

 

Lena Thorsen

in the U.S., City Directories, 1822-1995

Name:Lena Thorsen

Residence Year:1894

Street Address:320 8 Crouse av

Residence Place:Syracuse, New York, USA

Occupation:Domestic

Publication Title:Syracuse, New York, City Directory, 1894

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/51561849:2469?tid=&pid=&queryId=1f612108ef7484956a21329dd6b025c6&_phsrc=aOr16&_phstart=successSource

 

 

[Sherry Knutson]

Thank you all so very much, you have no idea how much this means to me.  I am going to research all of those and see what I can find.

 

And thank you for the understanding of why she and her brother had a different last name than their younger brother (my Grandfather).

 

Thank you, again, there are not enough words to tell you what this means to me