Uden Samfund?

[Richard Olsen]

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/425/32

 

On the page, No. 123 - Name: Reidar --- Mother: Laura Karstensdr. -- right-sided page - a note stating that the mother is Uden Samfund (without society?). This note is included in a few of her children's baptisms. It appears to have something to do with her divorce. What is meant by Uden Samfund?

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25949/55071/17

 

Left-sided page -- No. 2 Theodor Lorent Olsen --- a note is written above his name. It appears to say that he moved out after....?  Does anyone know what the note says?

 

Thank you for your time and consideration

[Even Stormoen]

No 123 – the original text:

 

Borgerlig kopt. i Frstad

14/9(?) 1894. Barnemoderen er

fraskildt – og uden samf.

(ved dom af 21/2 92)

 

And an attempt to translate:

 

Wed by the magistrate in Fredrikstad.

[date] The childs mother is

divorced – and is not member of any religious community. [litt. and without community]

(by judgement [in court] [date])

 

No 2 – the original text:

 

Udflyttet efter Forlangende

 

And an attempt to translate:

 

Moved out/relocated upon request. [ does not say by whom or why. Not even clear (to me) if the comment belongs to Theodor or the ‹erased› guy above.]

 

Reg.

 

EDIT: WRONG!! – not Udflyttet , Udslettet!!! Erased upon request. My bad.

Endret Juni 8, 2022 av Even Stormoen

[Richard Olsen]

Even, THANK YOU!!

Once again you come to the rescue.

 

Now I know that the note belongs to the guy above.

 

While I am here......

Would you, or anyone else, care to give your thoughts on why Confirmation was and is important in Norway.

I know that in the past an unconfirmed Norwegian could not get a job, and several other negative factors.

 

The reason I ask is that my grandfather refused to be confirmed when he lived in Norway. As you noticed, he left the Church at age 16.

[Even Stormoen]

Well, being a rater atheistic agnostic I am probably not the right person 😉 – but I have tried to translate some excerpts of what the norwegian encyclopedia Store Norske Leksikon has to say on the matter:

 

[…] Martin Luther rejected Confirmation as a sacrament, but in several places an evangelical act of confirmation became increasingly common.

[…] In 1736 confirmation was implemented as a «common rule and duty» for everyone in Denmark/Norway and was mandatory until 1912. A special textbook was prepared to be used in the instruction/teaching/tutoring of the confirmants.[…]

The purpose of the confirmation was to ensure public control of the youngsters knowledge, as well as a public confirmation of the baptismal act. The directive provided a two-part tuition: First in the public schools or, where none such excisted, the Dean e.g. was responsible. Three months minimum before the confirmation proper, the Vicar took over and held classes twice a week. The preparations culminated on Confirmation Day – the youngsters being examined in church. The act itself was performed at the altar where the confirmants promised to keep their baptismal covenant.

The confirmation meant an important cange of status. It marked the transition from child to adult, and changes in costume, lifestyle and job opportunities occured. It was also a prerequisite for marriage. […]

 

In the 1700s as well as a good part of the 1800s when a school system was almost non-excistant in Norway, preparations for the confirmation was in many cases the only education available. The spirit of the age of enlightment combined with the commandment of a pious authoritarian king made this minimal education an important part of everybodys life in many ways.

 

That is how it was. Why it remains kind of important, is beyond me . . .

 

My two cents . . . 🙂

 

Reg.

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

better see here:  https://forum.arkivverket.no/topic/298895-confirmation/

 

as usual... - Store Norske Leksikon comes without any sources.

 

[Richard Olsen]

Even, Thank You again.

 

I always enjoy reading your interesting posts. I take them as an opportunity to learn in general and specifically about my Norwegian ancestors.

 

 

[Even Stormoen]

Thank you, but please do not rely on me as a credible source on all things Norwegian. I have a nasty habit of taking shortcuts. And of excaggerating – just to make a point.

There was a school system in the 17- and 1800s, albeit not in a modern sense. And confirmation was not the only education for ‹the poor ignorants›.

I am guilty of all the above.

 

I have also appearantly committed the crime of citing a sourceless article in Store Norske, an article written by a team superviced by an associate professor of religious studies at Oslo University as subject manager.

I have not yet decided whether I will plead guilty to that one . . .

 

Regards

[Richard Olsen]

Even, your honesty is appreciated.

 

I use your information as a foundation to build on. I take parts of your information and conduct further research on them, leading to source material.

Unsourced information is not destine to falsehood. I have a habit of not sourcing my information, but I make sure all information is backed by sources before it is used.