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[Roy-Petter Askim]

The dates you mentioned between 1854 and 59 was the ones I concentrated on as well. I can't find any mention of Ole, Ingri, Lien, Huskelien during those years until Anders Huskelien gets the farm from his father who in return receives a ""føderaadscontact"" registered December 1858 where the father is supposed to move in at Øvre Huskelien in an existing house to be put in order before January. (Føderaadscontract nr. 28, point 5). It could support that they moved before 1859. So, the hunt continued ....

I took a second look at the mortgage book (link below), and I missed a couple of things. When Ingri got the deed in 1833 after her first husband it says she paid 70 spd. for the farm. My theory was refinancing, possibly others who had claims after Jacob or was entitled to part of the heritage. The mortgage/deeds books start on 1. march 1845 in middle Gudbrandsdalen, but prior transactions was in south Gudbrandsdalen since the middle Gudbrandsdalen office opened in 1842, so I had to consider that. I also saw that Ole appeared a bit higher up on the mortgage page, regarding lease and cancelation of lease in the mortgage book. It finishes with Ole Nielsen og .......... ?? maybe name of the leasehold. (Waiting for a cataract operation so my reading is bad at the moment.)       

                                                                   

Ref. is here, m. book:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/13739/57                                                     Right page, below middle.

Tingl. 25.feb. 1843 lease:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/10092/558                                                  Nr. 13 festeseddel av 30 januar tingl. 25.feb. 1843 fra Hans Olsen Huskelien. Cannot read this.

Cancellation of the lease:                                

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/10093/362                                                  Nr. 30 - 17. Febr. 1849

 

 

But in no. 29 same page he cancelled ownership in Huskelien on contract from 25.feb. 1843 (Nr 13 above), and signs d. February 1849, Espedls. Werk!, Ole Huskelien. With. Peder Mikkelsen, Beret Olsdatter, both with pen held. In no. 13 I can see the word transfer "Overdrar". In summary he transfers Øvre Huskelien in 1843 but leases it up to 1849 when he lives at Espedalen Werk in February 1849.                                                              

But it does not tell where he leased, probably not Buvolden since that was 1853. He claimed he leased Buvolden and Huskelien at the same time, so something seems to be a bit inaccurate. Hans O. Huskelien owner of Huskelien from 1839-1858. But maybe the sentence I can't read reveals something, or the lease itself?         

Jacob Huskelien assets:                                   

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25179/522  

                                           

"Lensmann" (local police) to assess his value. Long list of household property and animals valued at 66 spd. 0 shilling, 16 ort. A brown horse (gelding) assessed at 15 spd, 2 cows at 14 is the most valuable, but everything from pots to clothes are listed. Meeting on Dec. 16 follows. Something about auction of animals? custodian for the daughters.... can’t read much of this. Meeting 14. June 1828 seems like Jacob's fathers’ succession is mentioned? Ingri brings her father to the meeting, and Ole Huskelien appears at the bottom of folio 495a. On 496a the meeting 9 June 1827 who appears in the mortgage book: Total value 140 spd. 2 shilling 3 ort. (Proceed from selling the animals, household goods, farm?) continues with debt. Here Ole appears with a claim of 72 spd. But is it Ole Nielsen? Since two Ole's (son of Poul Gulbrandsen who ""sold"" his husmandsplass to the bank before 1814, entry on the silver tax, and son of Lars Syversen) lived on the farm in 1801, it could be one of them? The net value arrives at 41-4-14. Half to Ingri, Half to the daughters. Then a list on how debt is settled I think, but very unsure of this since it is very little I actually can read. In 1833 Ole ""buys"" the daughters’ part in the farm by lending the money equal to what they inherited 23 Spd 60,5 sk. to be repaid to them in installments.

As Jacob did, they owned their bit of the farm, not rented it. Depending on the contract they could have some working duties at the main farm. They were still called Husmenn, since the farm used to belong to a landlord.

                                                                                        

18. Dec. 1833 loan:                       

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/10125/18                                 No 42. Ole buys the daughters part in the farm, repayment in installments, security in the farm.

27. June 1834 loan:                       

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/10125/44                                 No. 28 Oles loan of 50 Spd from Anund Nielsen Volden

 

Roy-Petter

[Joanne Lillevold]

Roy-Petter, I was about to post my reply yesterday, when my computer battery died (where I didn’t have a chance to plug it in).

Tusen takk for all the interesting information, though I need to study it some.  I’m impressed and grateful that you can read this, as I wouldn’t be able to read much.

This is complicated.  Please correct this summary where I have it wrong:

Ole Nielsen, at least for some of the time, owned, rather than rented, Øvre Huskelien.  He transfers Øvre Huskelien in 1843, but then leases it up to 1849, when he lives at Espedalen Werk in February 1849.  Then it appears that Ole and Ingri had to be out of Øvre Huskelien by Jan 1859 (?).

The nickel works was at the south end of Breidsjøen and Lillevolden at the north end.  Does it sound to you like Ole N (and Ingri?) lived at the south end of Breidsjøen in Feb 1849 and the north end later?

That long list of property is very interesting.  Is this the estate of Jacob Poulson Huskelien, Ingri’s first husband?  The year looks like 1895.  Is it 1825?  I see the name Tjøstel Paulsen Harildstad.  Tjøstel Paulsen Harildstad (1770 to 2 Jan 1832) was a 1st cousin to my 3rd-great-grandmother who was a maternal grandmother of the wife of Jacob Olsen Huskelien Lillevold (son of Ole and Ingri).

My late comments on your earlier posts: Do you think the Buvolden Ole Nielsen chopped timber for and where he rented land in 1853 could be Lillevolden, and they hadn’t settled on the name yet?  I neglected to say how happy I was to get the bumark for Øvre Huskelien.  I collect my ancestral bumerker.  I was surprised that a husmannsplass had a bumark.  I had thought it was only main farms, and maybe only the old ones.

Even, you mentioned “miler” and wondered about the English word.  In English, a kiln is an oven for “firing” (baking) pottery, porcelain, bricks, etc., so a Norwegian “mile” is a charcoal kiln.  Firewood is measured in cords.  A cord is a neat stack of 128 cubic feet (3.62 m³) of wood.

As a way of dating Ole and Ingri’s move, I looked at godparents.  The dates I give are baptism dates: Ingri’s oldest daughter, Rønnaug, married Amund Amundsen and moved to his farm, Smikop under Sylte, very close to Huskelien.  Their 11 children were born from 1844 to 1868, all baptized at the Kvikne church in Nord-Fron.  The only godparents I see that can be from Ole and Ingri’s family are (31 May 1846) Anne Lien, and a Jacob Sylte several times (Lillevolden is under Sylte, but I don’t think this is my Jacob).  Ingri’s next daughter is Anne Jacobsdatter, and I don’t recognize her son’s godparents.  Third is Anne Hansdatter, who had 10 children, born from 1851 to 1872, all baptized in Sør-Fron.  The only godparent I recognize is (12 Jun 1853) Anne Jakobsdtr. Holten, probably the woman we know as Anne Jakobsdatter Huskelien (?).  Nine months before Anne Jakobsdatter Huskelien’s son was born (at Huskelien) was 4 Dec 1853.  If this is Anne Jakobsdatter Huskelien, then she returned to Huskelien before Dec 1853.  Ingri’s fourth child is Jacob Olsen, who had children born in Nord-Fron in 1861 and 1864.  The only relative of Jacob’s I see as a godparent of his children is Rønnaug Smikop.  Ingri’s fifth child, Marit Olsdatter, had four children born in Nord-Fron, from 1855 to 1867.  I see these godparents: (1 Jul 1855) Amund Smikop, Jacob Lien, Rønnoug Smikop; (5 Jul 1857) Jacob Lien, Kari Lien; (6 Nov 1859) Jacob Lillevolden, Rønnoug Smikop; (31 Mar 1867) Amund Smikop d.e, Amund Smikop d.y.  Ingri’s sixth child, Kari Olsdatter, only had children in the U.S.  Unless the Lien people are my relatives from Huskelien, I don’t see any good clues here.

Tusen takk, Joanne

 

[Even Stormoen]

På 8.10.2022 den 23.15, Roy-Petter Askim skrev:

Tingl. 25.feb. 1843 lease:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/10092/558                                                  Nr. 13 festeseddel av 30 januar tingl. 25.feb. 1843 fra Hans Olsen Huskelien. Cannot read this.

 

01 No 13

02 Fæsteseddel   Jeg undertegnede Hans Olsen Huskelien

03 som ved Skjøde af 7 April thinglæst 22 Juni 1839 er bleven

04 Eier af Gaarden Huskelien MatrNo 51 af Skyld 1 Daler(?)

05 4 Ort 13 Skilling med alle dens ??liggelse, gjør

06 herved vitterligt at have til Ole Nilsen og Hustru

07 Ingri Torgersdatter øvre Huskelien for deres

08 Levetid overdraget og fæstet ligesom jeg herved overdrager

09 bemeldte min Gaard Huskelien i (??) Annex til Froens

10 Præstegjeld underliggende og mig tilhørende Husmandsplads

11 øvre Huskelien kaldet, hvis paastaaende Huse ligeledes er min

12 Eiendom, paa følgende Vilkaar og Betingelser: 1 Svarer de aarlig

13 Huusleie(?), naar saadant forlanges: 6 Maal at skjære og slaae

14 5 Mælinger Eng, samt arbeide 1 Uge om Vaaren og 1 Uge

15 om Høsten. – 2 Maae de ikke bortføre Gjødsel eller Avling(?) af

16 Korn og Høe af Pladsen. – Til Bekræftelse under min Haand i

17 Overværelse af 2 Vidner. – Huskelien den 30 Januar 1843. –

18 Hans Olsen Huskelien med paaholt Pen.

19 Til Vitterlighed Jaarmand(?). Iver Knudsen Dalen m. p. P.

 

Mvh

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Just speculations from me today. The questions I have on ownership Øvre Huskelien is this: We know that Jacob Poulsens father was son of the owner of Huskelien, but in 1801 the father Poul is a husmand who is given føderaad from Ole in 1833. In 1833 Ole and Ingri is registered as owners of øvre Huskelien, based on the Probate after Jacob. In the probate one Ole Huskelien has a claim of 72 spd, and øvre Huskelien is valued at 70 Spd. I cannot find Jacob registered as Owner and I do not understand why Ole has a claim in the probate. But Ingri and her daughters end up as owners. Then Ole buys Jacob’s daughters share of their inheritance, a part of øvre Huskelien also in 1833. Ole signs a husmandscontract 1843 (really classical one) but I cannot find that they have sold Øvre Huskelien. If they owned øvre Huskelien there should have been a change of ownership prior to 1843 which I can't find on the register. Could it have been a dispute on ownership leading up to this, that sets the probate claim aside? I fear that I am not able to find out. If I understand the cancellation of the husmandscontract right, it refers that Ole never was the owner of øvre Huskelien.

 

The comment on 1859 is just regarding a new føderaadsmand moving into øvre Huskelien and the house there should be made ready for that by January. I could therefore concentrate on the period prior to that. Just forget it, because the 1849 entry confirms when they left.

 

I think it is more likely they lived at Buvolden 1849 were the housekeeper lived. It is described as a cottage on the closed down Espedalen Verk (south), and he signed the cancellation with Espedln Werk, also burnt charcoal for them, so my guess would be that they moved to Lillevolden later but might be wrong based on your comment that Lillevolden could have been used by workers at the Nickel work.

 

The probate list is the estate of her first husband, who died in 1825. The top of the 2 "closed" so it looks like 9. For minors there was appointed custodians, probably Tjøstel's role? 

 

Lien can be Huskelien, but except that witnesses often were relatives or neighbors it is hard to know. Lien can also refer to Farm no. 3 in Kvikne parish, Lien (Nordre) Skåbuvegen 2827. There are also Lien farms in the other parishes in Fron.

As you know children often left their family unless the parents needed their work at the time of confirmation. In this case Anne could have stayed behind as a maid at Huskelien, or at Holten and returned as you say. Being a Pauper already at the birth record in 1854 indicates that she was not living with her mother in my mind. Another possibility is that Huskelien in the birth record can refer to her birthplace, and that she lived at Holten?

 

A "Mile" is a charcoal pile, formed like a kiln or a cone.  A pile of wood carefully constructed, covered with turf, dirt or similar. Dangerous work both because of the heat but also some of the burners fell into the mile when they had to carefully control and regulate det airflow on top of the mile to keep the heat, but avoid overheating burning the wood to ashes. 1 favn=2,4 m3,

 

Very grateful for the transcription Even wrote where they should pay rent and work for the owner. Maybe you understand it, but Hans Olsen after presenting ownership of the whole farm gives Ole and Ingri husmandscontract for their lifetime on øvre Huskelien provided that they pay the rent when demanded, cut and move (harvest) 6 "mål=1000m2" field and 5 "mål" meadow and work 1 week at spring and 1 week in the autumn. Not discharge of manure or crop of grain or hay.

 

 

Even;

Can you look at two sentences in the probate for me, claim and settlement for Ole Huskelien: At the very bottom right starting with Ole Huskelien nordre -----, ends with 72" on the following page.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25179/523 

And first column nearly at the bottom starting with: No 3. Ole Huskelien for…...

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/25179/525 

[Joanne Lillevold]

Even and Roy-Petter, tusen takk again!  I have to read all this before I can comment much.

I would find it very interesting if Ole and Ingri lived at the nickel works, either while it was operating or later, the location between Espedalsvatnet and Breidsjøen.

On where Anne Jacobsdatter gave birth, Anne Hansdatter (her half-sister) had 10 children, all born in Sør-Fron, all but the first two at Holten.  All 10 were baptized in Sør-Fron, while Anne Jacobsdatter’s son was baptized in Nord-Fron, which makes it likely he was born at Huskelien.  His confirmation says he was born at Huskelien and lived in Espedalen when he was confirmed.

I have to read more of this before I have any other comments.

Mvh, Joanne

 

[Even Stormoen]

20 timer siden, Roy-Petter Askim skrev:

At the very bottom right starting with Ole Huskelien nordre ----

 

Ole Huskelien mødte, og fordrede i Boet

 

[ny side]

 

indestaaende Arvemidler – 72 "

 

20 timer siden, Roy-Petter Askim skrev:

And first column nearly at the bottom starting with: No 3. Ole Huskelien for…..

 

No 3. Ole Huskelien for i Boet

indestaaende Arvemidler 72 Spdl.

gives saadanne

Udlægge:

a, Hos Sterbboenken Ingri Torgers

datter i Boets hende(?) overdragne

Plads Øvre Huskelien, under

eet for 70 Spdl at anamme 70

b. Ligesom No 2                   2      72

 

[det vil si 2Sp av auksjonspengene.]

 

 

Mvh

Endret Oktober 11, 2022 av Even Stormoen

[Joanne Lillevold]

Thanks, Even and Roy-Petter, I don’t have time to read your newest post yet, but it looks interesting.  I have this reply to earlier things:

 

Roy-Petter, you wrote “I think it is more likely they lived at Buvolden 1849 were the housekeeper lived. It is described as a cottage on the closed down Espedalen Verk (south).”  The Espedalen nickel works was in operation from 1846 to 1857 (according to Einar Hovdhaugen in his bygdebok Gardar og Slekter i Fron).  I think I read somewhere else 1847 to 1856.  Either way, in 1849, the nickel works was not only in operation, but early in its operation.

 

Iver Forseth says in his Nikkelverket i Espedalen (p. 72): “Nord for Breisjøen tok tre arbeidarar til med nyrydding.  Det vart tre små bruk, Veslevollen, Bokkholt or Rytvika.  Folk frå verket gjekk heilt inn til desse bruka og losjerte der.”  I wish he said who and when.  I wish I could read Norwegian better.  He also writes about workers being punished for theft of timber in the allmenningen.

 

You also wrote, “The house he [Ole Nielsen] chopped timber for in autumn 1853 he built at Buvolden, he rented this land at same time as Huskelien he said in his statement. I have not found were that is except a book explained Buvolden was at Verket were a housekeeper for the boss (Forbes) at the nickel work lived. She came to Espedalen as a reindeer-herder and lived at Buvolden all life. In census 1920 her son still lives there, ….”  Was her name Rønnaug Pedersdatter Sagranden?  Forseth talks about her in his Nikkelverket i Espedalen and even has two pictures, one of her cottage in the 1950s and the other of this and a nearby cottage in the 1920s, saying “Dei to plassane på Verksodden var husmannsheimar under Bøle.”

 

On the name Lien, I never believe they are my relatives unless I have more information than just that name.  Ole and Ingri’s son, Jacob (my great-grandfather), is said to be born on just Lien on his confirmation record.

 

If Anne Jacobsdatter lived at Holten in Jun 1853 and Jul 1856 (when she died), and at Huskelien in Sep 1854, and Ole Nielsen at Buvolden in Espedalen in 1849, they have to have been together around early Dec 1853.  These moves are hard to follow.

 

You discuss lots of husmanns contracts, but I don’t see you looking at any for Lillevolden, which was under Nord Sylte, which is near Huskelien, but north of the Vinstra River.

 

Mvh, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Most interesting all the knowledge you have. I am trying to combine the information from the prison record and that he terminated his contract at Huskelien. Although still using the name Huskelien in the record. I have seen the years they operated and that corresponds with him burning charcoal in the early years.

It was customary that the mining companies had exclusive right to receive coal from the nearby location. (My great-grandfather learnt at an iron mine where he grew up how to make patterns and creating a mold. He bought a smaller cast iron mill my father inherited so I have read a bit on the subject.) I would expect theft of timber and charcoal burning was "big business" for the people nearby.

 

I have looked at the church-records for Rønnaug Pedersd. Sagranden 1827. In her first marriage 1852 to Hans Olsen Svene, she was born at Sagranden und. Böe, but when their children were born it says only Sveen/e, but the article I found her in says she lived the rest of her life at Buvolden, and her son Ole Hansen stayed on till he died late 1920's. Buvolden appears when she gets kids with her next husband. I have seen pictures on the historical society from where Rønnaug Pedersen Sagvollen lived but she was born 1885.

 

The book by Forseth is registered at nb.no but not open to the public on web. I got a hit on the book when I searched for Buvolden and Fron. Interesting that you found that Buvolden can belong to Bøle, but bøle is used as a word meaning place to stay, house or farm and also used to distinguish the main farm from those sold out like a husmandsplass, in the combination hoved-bøle. Bøle could refer to the houses at Verket, or a place nearby known to the ones with local knowledge. Bølerlia north of Verket is e.g., part of Sylte. I have checked some deeds in the area, but don't think I have seen Bøle. The only Bøle I can find in Digitalarkivet is under Bø/e. I have looked up the deeds there, but found nothing. Many husmandscontrats was never registered on the deeds.

 

Maybe I forgot to mention it, but I have looked at the 3 registers found for Sylte and Nordre Sylte, but cannot find Ole or Ingri registered there. Since I was unable to find anything for Buvolden/Bø, I could not find any contract for Ole and Ingri there either. 

 

I could not leave Huskelien yet either. If Ole Huskelien in the probate is Ole Nielsen, he must have arrived there already by 1827 to put forward the claim of 72 spd. He would then be very young (20) to have such a claim, and one should think he entered the scene between 1829-32 due to the children born then as concluded on Geni. But the brother of Jacob Poulsen, Ole Poulsen in the 1801 census died as a child. There is a note beside the deed who could question the ownership asking where it came from in the old register and been answered with "Dale" another nearby farm. If that concerns Ole, Jacob’s probate or the money or something else I do not know since I could not find any relevant information on the deeds for Dale.

[Joanne Lillevold]

I have the book by Forseth.  I thought of suggesting that I could copy that page, as it explains her role, lists her husband and children, and says who lives in the house next door, but I suppose I would be engaging in copyright violation if I did that.  It named the people who lived in the little house next to them, and it wasn’t Ole and Ingri.  The pictures of these houses make it appear they are in a remote area, with no other buildings nearby, at least not in a crowded area like I would imagine the nickel works site to be.

I don’t remember you mentioning looking for Sylte or Nordre Sylte.  Here’s a thought: Ole and Ingri’s second youngest child, Marit Olsdatter, married Hans Engebretsen Steendalen 8 Sep 1854 (four days after Anne Jacobsdatter gave birth; when Anne J lied about the father of her child, she said it was Hans Engebretsen Steendalen, which he denied).  Hans worked at the nickel works.  Although he is called Hans Engebretsen Steendalen, Steendalen wasn’t within walking distance of the nickel works, but Lillevolden was.  I have suspected that Hans and Marit lived at Lillevolden from the time of their marriage, but this is only a guess.  When their third child was born, Hans Hansen, born 3 Oct 1859, baptized 6 Nov, Hans and Marit are said to live at “Lillevolden u.Sylte,Nrd.,” although Hans Engebretsen Steendalen drowned the previous July.  This is the earliest mention I have found anywhere of Lillevolden.  If Hans Engebretsen Steendalen and Marit lived at Lillevolden earlier (while he was alive), he might be the husmann.

As Ole is such a common name, I wouldn’t be sure that “Ole Huskelien” in 1827 was Ole Nielsen.  I don’t know where Ole N was between his confirmation (27 May 1821) and the birth of his first child (1 Oct 1832).  I don’t know why I can’t find the marriage of Ole Nielsen and Ingri Torgesdatter, since they are referred to as married.

Mange takk, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

I noticed on Geni speculation on how Jacob travelled in 1864. There were at least 4 sail ship built in the 1860’s with the name Kong Carl, one in 1863 sailed from Bergen to Quebec a few times in 1864, not only the date mentioned, but none of the dates match. Other known Emigrant-ship can also be found in this site (chose departures 1864 at the front page, left side). Searching the newspapers for Kvebek (as Quebec was written then) gives me a few ships leaving from Porsgrund in April, but no obvious ones. Just to have mentioned it.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=kocaa

 

It is certainly a few questions which probably is difficult to find out. Maybe if you make a new subject in the user group with Espedalen, Buvollen and Lillevollen/Veslevollen in the heading you could come in contact with local experts who can help you based on the information you have.

[Joanne Lillevold]

Hi Roy-Petter, the Geni narrative for Jacob Olsen Lillevold sounds like it was all written by me.  As the Norwegian emigrant protocol began in 1867 (?) and Quebec began recording passenger arrivals in 1865, 1864 is too early for records.  I have seen people saying they came on the Amerika (the ship my grandmother came on in 1893) and the Kong Carl (the ship Jacob’s parents came on in 1870), so I know where they got these wrong names from.  Maybe I do more harm than good with my debunking paragraph?

I didn't know about the multiple Kong Carls. I should try to find out if I have the right one for Ole and Ingri's emigration.

Thanks for the link and the suggestion about starting a new discussion.  I don’t want to give you any additional research requests.  The information you have given me has been wonderful.

Tusen takk, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

II think it is wise to make a note of what’s wrong as well. You will find the ship and also the passenger list with Ole and Ingri on the page I linked to if you chose 1870. Found it most interesting to have a look at this, and please feel free to drop me a line, if there is anything I can do.

[Roy-Petter Askim]

And a photo and some more information on this page: https://www.sjohistorie.no/no/skip/16585/ 

 

And a drawing 

"Kong Carl". Bygget på "Hverven" av Johan Wesman i 1865. 486 reg. tonn.

Endret Oktober 13, 2022 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Joanne Lillevold]

Mange takk for the pictures and info on the Kong Carl.  I had already finished the chapter on the Kong Carl and my family’s 1870 emigration in my family history book.  When you said there was more than one Kong Carl, I knew I would have to see if I wrote about the right one, but you picked the same one as me.  I am a little puzzled by the picture that says “Brigg Kong Carl til vestre.”  Which ship is the Kong Carl?  The ship in the middle, that we can see the best, has a smokestack.  I know some ships used both sails and steam.  Did this Kong Carl?

My Norwegian ancestors came in three groups.  I don’t think I will know the name of the ship from 1864, so I looked on this site for the ship my grandmother and her parents came on in 1893: a steamship called the Amerika belonging to the Thingvalla Line, a Danish company.  The Amerika was previously the Celtic, built about 1872 for White Star.

I am sure you will be better than me at finding it.

Mvh, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

I'll have a go at it. But I think I have solved a little puzzle today. It was a sail ship without engine.  I think the boat on the left (til venstre) is when it was scapped based on the condition. The picture seems to new to new based on the ship in the middle. Probably the only they could find. Thats why I added the drawing from a book. 

Buvolden:

Verksteigen, Espedalsvegen 1951 is the large area northeast of Verket, part of Farm 51 Bø. Found out that the neighbor property is named Bøteigen (Bøen for short) But Farm 203 Sylte. But it used to be part of Bø as the name says, but when they altered the border between Nord Fron and Sør Fron the property changed Farm number, instead of assigning a new number they added it on to Sylte’s farm number. (Got hold of a copy from today’s register, confirming this change.) I think it is pretty sure that Buvollen was inside this area, since located on Verkets land in the census and in your book at Bøen meaning the combined property under Bø. Both owned by a forest-company today.

No buildings to see there in a photo taken 1967 from plane, but Lillevollen is visible and how it changes between 1977 and 2005 and again to 2008 in a series of 11 photo from 1967 to 2021.

Bøteigen under Bø until 1898 in yellow, Verksteigen north of Bøteigen.

 

 

Endret Oktober 14, 2022 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Amerika: The information and pictures here: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=amerc 

I got a strange hostpage-login trying to reach the home page, so there seems to be something wrong with the site, but using a shortcut to the ship-search worked.

 

Endret Oktober 15, 2022 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Joanne Lillevold]

Hi, on the Kong Carl picture, I wondered if the n was missing, as the caption says “til vestre” not “til venstre” (so I’m wondering—well, what direction are we facing?).

See below for the picture I used in my “Kong Carl” chapter.

The site I got it from was State Library Victoria (Australia): https://viewer.slv.gov.au, a link that doesn’t seem to work now.  Do you think it’s the same ship?  Do you know the port?  Strange that it’s from an Australian site.

Thank you for your research into Buvolden.  So it was somewhere in your yellow box?  I don’t see the farms you mention, but maybe they don’t show on the map (?).  I looked at the map site I usually use, kart.finn.no, and don’t see the farms you mention, but I’m sure you have done your research right, so thank you for locating Buvolden.

Thanks also for the link to the Amerika.  I had picked up information and pictures from that site earlier, but they have added a nice new painting of the Amerika.

Mvh, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

I concluded it lacks an n. I think the one to the right have 3 masts. I read a Brig will have 2 as the one on the left, and what’s east and west is difficult to say. But the picture you found is beautiful and seems well documented. Even with the Norwegian flag. I downloaded the permalink, since the link to the viewer changes. https://find.slv.vic.gov.au/permalink/61SLV_INST/1dukq3j/alma9917408383607636

It is probably not a Norwegian wharf based on the brick houses, what looks like a gasholder and shape of the background building. Maybe some English port?

 

The map is from the site belonging to the Norwegian Mapping Authority who also keep the records for all properties in Norway (the land register/cadaster/plats). I was confused since the name pointed me to Bø, but the register number was Sylte. The main farm Bø is in Vinstra with large areas. The yellow Bøteigen represent half of what’s left today. In addition Verksteigen north of it towards Lillevollen (only one property shows up yellow at a time). I think Verftet/Workers there used both of them and is referred to as Bøen, and that the name Verftsteigen appear later when they were separated as individual properties.   

                                       

I use Finn looking at ads for apartments and such but most of the time the Mapping authority, google or a phone-book who contains layers of aerial pictures and in central areas and larger cities also historic maps.

Read that Rønnaug and her two husbands are buried at Verket. 9 adults and 13 children were buried out there. You probably have pictures of the main building at Verket and the dance-hall who both was taken apart, moved and rebuilt after Verket closed down. Came across them today. Perhaps Ingri and Ole took part in some meeting or events in that building?

Endret Oktober 16, 2022 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Joanne Lillevold]

Hi again, thanks for the information.  Glad you think that’s the right Kong Carl in the picture I found, as it seemed strange that it would be on an Australian site.  I don’t care how it got to that site, as long as it’s the right ship.

I wondered if you meant the Sylte and Bø near Vinstra, but I didn’t want to ask, as I ask too many questions.  I have roots on that Bø, as I am descended from Marte Østensdatter Forbrigd, who lived on Bø after her marriage, but let’s not get into that.  My chapter on her is 33 pages, so I don’t look for any more information there.

I’ll have to get acquainted with the Norwegian Mapping Authority.  Maybe I’ll like it better than kart.finn.

On buildings at the Verket, I only have two pictures on my computer: a painting from across the lake and a cartoon drawing.  I’ll see if my book has the pictures you refer to.  Feel free to post pictures of the nickels works, as that’s a subject I take an interest in.

Mvh, Joanne

 

[Roy-Petter Askim]

             

The main building at Verket moved to Heggerud after Verket was closed. Picture from 1986. Heggerud in Sør-Fron.

 

The assembly-/dance-hall and church From Espedalen, called Friheim after been moved to Vinstra. Used as assembly hall, cafeteria and petrol station. Maybe floated down on the river after been dismantled.   

[Joanne Lillevold]

Roy-Petter, mange takk for the pictures and all the map advice.  I need to find time to explore these.  It sounds like there is much good stuff available.  The “Historisk” sounds especially interesting.

Joanne