Abraham Pedersen Vettestad-Foss-Reine in Sandsvaer and Karie Halvorsdatter Hedenstad eie

[Larry Halvorsen]

I have been unable to find a baptism record for Abraham Pedersen Vettestad.  The references that follow apply. I believe the skiftes, 1801 census and marriage record establish his birth year as about 1778.  His marriage entry indicates he is a soldat, but I see no mention of that again in  baptism records of his children.  I believe his family is mentioned in Sandvaer Historie bydgebok, but I have not seen those pages.  Several family trees posted on the internet have a Kari Halvorsdatter born 1770 in Rollag as his wife (father: Halvor Poulsen).  I believe this is incorrect, and that his wife is Karie Halvorsdatter Hedenstad eie baptized 4 March 1770 in Hedenstad subparish born to Halvor Hansen Hedenstad eie and Anne Marie Anundsdatter.  A second marriage for Halvor Hansen to Katrine Maria Hansdatter on 26 Dec 1845 provides a reference to his birthplace in Hedenstad as Gudskiste? Loftstuen farm.  I cannot read Halvor's occupation which is also given there. Regarding Karie, the churchbook entry for daughter Anne Syrene, born 2 Sept 1810,  identifies the mother Kari and adds a farm ?vamb which I think is Hvamb, in Eftelot.

I have 5 children for Abraham and Kari: Karen Maria (26 June 1803, Fos eie, Tuft); Halvor (21 July 1805, Reine, Komnes); Peder (3 April 1808, Reine, Komnes); Ann Syrene (2 Sept. 1810 Reine, Komnes); Sybilla (7 June 1813, Reine, Komnes).  Sybilla married Halvor Anundsen 17 April 1840 in Komnes. There is something written under Ungkarl Halvor Amundsen's name in the churchbook - can anyone read it? Karen Maria married a Hans Poulsen Grette and there are descendants, the other children died young (1817 and two in 1815).  I would appreciate comment by anyone with interest in these families or farms.

 

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20100224642230.jpg-Skifte card-1762 -Tosten Rolfsen-Sybilla Abrahamsdatter

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20100224642231.jpg- Skifte card 1765 -Enke Sybilla & Torsten Rolfsen

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ft20090806640138.jpg- 1st family-leftside-census-1801- Abe and Karen ungift

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650314.jpg- 2nd entry leftside-marriage Kari Halvors to Abraham Pedersen Foss -Jan 1803

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650485.jpg - 5th entry rightside - Bapt. Karie Halvorsdatter 1770-Hed

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316660575.jpg-#28-26 Dec 1845 2nd marriage of Halvor Hansen to Katrine Maria Hansdatter

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051111010007.jpg - 3rd entry rightside- birth of Anne Syrene -1810

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316660563.jpg- #12, 4-17-1840 Sybilla Abrahams and Halvor Anundsen

 

 

Larry Halvorsen

Aston, PA

[Matthias Kolberg]

17 hours ago, Larry Halvorsen said:

His marriage entry indicates he is a soldat, but I see no mention of that again in  baptism records of his children. 

 

17 hours ago, Larry Halvorsen said:

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650314.jpg- 2nd entry leftside-marriage Kari Halvors to Abraham Pedersen Foss -Jan 1803

Abraham is listed as «Ungkarl», not «soldat» in this marriage record

[Matthias Kolberg]

If Halvor Hansen Hedenstad was the father of Kari in 1770, it is very unlikely that he remarried in 1845. He would be 95 years old, or older, at that time.

 

The marriage in 1845 shows what appears to be his son, Amund Halvorsen from Gudskiste Loftstueie.

Inderste og Tømmermand

Endret Desember 27, 2022 av Matthias Kolberg

[Larry Halvorsen]

Matthias thanks,

 

  I mixed it up -it was the father Torsten who was a Soldat.  Whether it is mentioned for him at birth of children I will have to check.  You are correct it was not Abraham.

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070403670303.jpg -marriage Torsten & Sybilla Abrahamsdatter -

 

Correct again on the second marriage, it was son Anund Halvorsen Lande who remarried and it gives his birthplace as Gudskiste Loftstueie.  I had that he was born at Hedenstad eie.  Is Gudskiste Loftstueie a subfarm, and essentially the same place?

 

I found the following death entry for Halvor Hansen in 1792 (2nd entry that year)

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650660.jpg- death of Halvor Hansen 1792

 

Happy New Year,

Larry

[Dag Thorsdalen]

Gudskiste: Norgeskart 

 

1 time siden, Larry Halvorsen skrev:

I had that he was born at Hedenstad eie.  Is Gudskiste Loftstueie a subfarm, and essentially the same place?

 

In the land register Gudskiste is registered as a subfarm under Loftstuen. However, the land on the north side of the river Kobberbergselva was traditionally a condominum under both the Loftstuen and the Hedenstad farms. And the final division of the condominum between the mother farms happened as late as in the early-19th Century.

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

Let me correct my last post - It was Abrahams Grandfather Torsten, not his father Peder that has the Soldat mention.  The mystery with him is his two wives.  I have both Dorthe Enersdatter (died 6-3-1848 age 76) and Sybilla Abrahamsdatter (1719-1764).  I believe it shows Dorthe as Enke at death in 1848.  So I must have wrong death of Torsten as  17 Jan 1762?

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051111010837.jpg  Enke Dorte Enersdatter June 1848 age 76 #59

 

There was a skifte after Dorthe on 22 Nov 1848 which may provide some info, but it is hard to read.

 

Dag - thanks for info on the farms at Loftstuen/Hedenstad.

 

Larry

[Dag Thorsdalen]

Abraham's baptism in Efteløt Church on 20 Sept 1778 (bottom right side)

Sandsvær kirkebøker, SAKO/A-244/F/Fa/L0002a: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1725-1809, p. 280
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316650523 

Abraham - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1725-1809 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

 

Abraham and his family in Sandsværs Historie vol. III p. 393

 

 

Abraham Hansson Haugen is a fictitious person who has nothing here to do. Karen Maria was of course Abraham Pederssons daughter.

 

The information here about that Sibylla Abrahamsdatter's husband Halvor Anundsson Landemoen was Kari Halvorsdatter's nephew shows that you are right about Kari's baptism and parents. I don't find her parents mentioned in Sandsværs Historie. But here is their wedding in Efteløt Church on 14 June 1766:

Sandsvær kirkebøker, SAKO/A-244/F/Fa/L0002a: Parish register (official) no. I 2, 1725-1809, p. 29
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070316650269 
 

About Halvor Anundsson's parents in Sandsværs Historie vol. V p. 58

 

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

About Abraham's parents in Sandsvær's Historie vol. IV p. 30-31

 

 

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

About Abraham's paternal grandparents in Sandsværs Historie vol. IV p. 17

 

 

 

The Dorte Margrete Einarsdatter who died in 1848 had not been married to this Torstein Rolfsson but to grandson with the same name.

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

Dag,

 

Thanks! it is great to see what was written in Sandvaer History.  I had  some info on this family based on partial outline from the bydgebok received twenty years ago.  I am now trying to verify, and compare to other sources.  This will answer many of the questions.

 

Here is the skifte link for Dorthe Enersdatter - I may have some mix-up on the wives:

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-sk20090122370306.jpg -probate -1848.

 

I can't get much from this, looks like a son Rolf Torstensen Steeg is mentioned.

[Larry Halvorsen]

That explains the wives of Torstein Rolfsen - Grandfather and Grandson - I should have seen the age difference.  So Rolf Torstensen Steeg would be son of Dorthe and Torsten Rolfsen the grandson.

 

I noticed Sandsvaer Historie does not have this first born daughter of Abraham Pedersen Vettestad: Karen Maria (26 June 1803, Fos eie)

                                             https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650680.jpg   -sixth item right side

Perhaps she belongs to another Abraham Pedersen since this is Tuft sub parish?

 

[Dag Thorsdalen]

14 minutter siden, Larry Halvorsen skrev:

I noticed Sandsvaer Historie does not have this first born daughter of Abraham Pedersen Vettestad: Karen Maria (26 June 1803, Fos eie)

                                             https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650680.jpg   -sixth item right side

Perhaps she belongs to another Abraham Pedersen since this is Tuft sub parish?

 

I have already commented on that, above:

 

2 timer siden, Dag Thorsdalen skrev:

Abraham Hansson Haugen is a fictitious person who has nothing here to do. Karen Maria was of course Abraham Pederssons daughter.

 

This is a mistake in the bygdebok. Their address was Foss when the married, and Foss-eiet when they had their firstborn daughter baptized.

 

Wedding record: 

Abraham Pedersen - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1725-1809 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

 

Baptism records:

Abraham Pedersen - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1725-1809 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Abraham Pedersen - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1725-1809 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Abraham Pedersen - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1725-1809 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Abraham Pedersen - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1809-1817 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

Abraham Peders - Church book from Sandsvær parish 1809-1817 (0629P) - The Digital Archive (digitalarkivet.no) 

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

Thanks, I should have read more carefully.   I should have recognized the church book item for Abraham's birth as well - I had looked at that entry, but because his father was recorded as Peder Aanestad missed it.  When Sandsvaer Historie says  "Han var nevo of Kari Halvorsdatter"  I read that as Halvor Anundsen Landemoen was nephew of Kari Halvorsdatter.  However, this is not correct as I have them as brother and sister?

[Dag Thorsdalen]

24 minutter siden, Larry Halvorsen skrev:

I read that as Halvor Anundsen Landemoen was nephew of Kari Halvorsdatter.  However, this is not correct as I have them as brother and sister?

 

Halvor Anundsson's father was Kari Halvorsdatter's brother. That makes Halvor Kari Halvorsdatter's nephew.

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

I better stop for a while- suffering dyslexia-  Thanks Dag!

 

Larry

[Larry Halvorsen]

I found some minor discrepancies when checking the Sandsvaer Historie excerpts.  Rolf Pedersen (1788-1789) died at 1 day I believe, not as a girl?

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650656.jpg -bott right corner

 

There is a bapt. date for Jorgine Maria (Halvor Amundsen/Sibilla Abrahamsdatter's daughter) -27 Aug 1848 -Langhangen Reine eie

 

 Mari Torstensdatter Married 28 June 1787 not 1789: 

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650291.jpg

There is another possible child for Anund Halvorsen Lande born in 1803:

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650680.jpg-Ole 6-5-1803-Hvamsahl

He marries Elen Catrine Gysler (f. abt 1802) on 6 July 1824 Hvamsdahl Eftelot

Several trees have him listed - I am still looking at him.

 

Larry

[Dag Thorsdalen]

Yes, there are a number of mistakes in these books. 

 

In the first case I read that Rolv Pedersen Lande died on 2 Febr 1788 1 day old. The burial date is not mentioned. Thus, it should have stood "Rolv fd1788." That means born and died in 1788. Girl (Jente) is their next baby, stillborn (df = dødfødt) in 1789.

 

In the last case the question is whether Anund Halvorsen Hvamsal is identical with Anund Halvorsen Lande. I don't know if there where any namesakes he might have been confused with. On the other hand, the time between some of their children is so long that you might expect that there might be more children. 

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

 

Ole born at Hvamsal would be between siblings Lars and Live Maria both born at Landemoen.

I don't see any common fadderes  between the three of them.  Not sure why Anund would be moving between farms that often; maybe that makes sense for a shoemaker?  The last child Anund was also born at Hvams eie in 1817.  As with Ole, all the fadderes listed are from Hvams.

 

 https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650693.jpg- Live Marie- 12-25-1806 Landemoen

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316650677.jpg - Lars 1802 Landemoen

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051111010040.jpg -Anund Anundsen-1817-25 May (right side 2nd from bott)

The last child Anund (f. 1817) is for sure a child of the couple since the mother's name is given.

 

Here are the children of Anund Halvorsen Hvamsal:  

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316660212.jpg-Anund -1835

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316660318.jpg- Grete maria-1839

https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070316660059.jpg- Anne Elene -1825

I need to check the fadderes listed for these baptisms to see if any of Anund Halvorsen Landes other children show up, but Since Anund (1817) was born at Hvam and his second wife was from there I am leaning toward including Ole (f. 1803) as a child of Anund Halvorsen Lande/Hvamsal.

[Dag Thorsdalen]

I have been able to figure out that this Ole belonged to another family than yours.

 

Sandsværs Historie vol V p. 171:

 

[Larry Halvorsen]

Correction to my last post.  Ole Anundsen's  son born 1835 is HALVOR not Anund.  Among the godparents is Ole Amundsen ( can't read farm- maybe Gudskiste -??).  Not sure who he is but could be related to Anund Halvorsen Lande's relatives on Hedenstad farms.  Also, for Ole's daughter Grete Maria (f. 1839) the fadderes are: Kistine Halvorsdatter, Halvor Hansen, Peder Hvamsal, Ole Halvorsen Uleberg, Svend Nielsen Hougens and Hans Jorgen Halvorsen.  Halvor Hansen could not be Anund Halvorsen Lands's father he would be long dead by 1839, but there are gaps in known children of Halvor Hansen - perhaps Ole Halvorsen Uleberg is a sibling, or Hans Jorgen, or Kistine.

[Larry Halvorsen]

Thanks Dag. Mystery solved.  all I could find was weak connections.  so I think the Sandsvaer Historie is correct.

[Larry Halvorsen]

One last comment on Ole Anundsen.  It should have been obvious that Ole was not part of Anund Halvorsen Landemoen's family.  They adhered to naming practice with first two boys named after grandfather's.  1801 Halvor died young.  If they had a boy in 1803 it would have likely been a Halvor not Ole, as they named there next boy in 1812 Halvor.