'Lutheran minister' Captain Johan (John) Henrik (Henry) Hansen b.abt 1827 d.1899 Maryborough, Australia

[Anita Holck]

Jeg ser av folketellingen 1870 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/53317/188 at Johan og Jacobea Hansen har en fosterdatter Inga Becker, f. 1861 i Horten og at kona Jacobea er født 1819 på Kongsberg.

Jacobea Arnesdatter Becker f. 28/2-1819, døpt 18/12-1819 på Kongsberg. Hennes bror Arne Arnesen Becker 1825-1901, skipper, skipseier og bonde i Horten, blir i 1854 gift i Borre med Helle Karine Bang. Arne Becker har fått en gate oppkalt etter seg i Horten, Arne Beckersgate. De får bl.a. datteren Inga Jacobine Andrea Becker f. 10/11-1861 i Horten. Hun må være den fosterdatteren som i 1870 bor hos sin fars søster i Sarpsborg.

I folketellingen 1865 bor Jacobea Becker, 47 år, ugift, f. på Kongsberg, i Ollebakgaden i Horten og driver en "Modehandel". De må altså ha giftet seg mellom 1865 og 1870, da sannsynligvis i metodistkirken i Horten. Muligens kan man ta kontakt med dem direkte for å undersøke om dette er riktig mann, som allered 1872 reiser til Queensland og er skilt før 1875.

[Stephen Nuske]

10 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

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So your JHH worked in Sarpsborg, which is where Lars' JHH and his wife Jacobea & stepdaughter lived in the 1870 census, see above. And your JHH reported labor at Walloe and Tønsberg: Walloe must be Vallø (modern: Valløy), which is in Sem and which is where Lars' JHH's parents lived.

Thank you so much Richard - your observations are excellent - and yes the Americans don't get the Norwegians names write right....More and more I am inclined to think that this is 'my' Aussie Hansen...but why he came to Queensland is a  mystery...but I am amazed at the international networks re Seafarers and the Nordic churches and USA and even in regard to the  much smaller numbers of Scandinavians who came to Australia...but nearly all of Australian capital cities are on the coast...

[Stephen Nuske]

9 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

I see from the 1870 census https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/53317/188 that Johan and Jacobea Hansen have a foster daughter Inga Becker , born in 1861 in Horten and that his wife Jacobea was born in 1819 in Kongsberg.

Jacobea Arnesdatter Becker born 28/2-1819, baptized 18/12-1819 at Kongsberg. Her brother Arne Arnesen Becker 1825-1901, skipper, ship owner and farmer in Horten, was married in 1854 in Borre to Helle Karine Bang. Arne Becker has had a street named after him in Horten, Arne Beckersgate. They get, among other things, daughter Inga Jacobine Andrea Becker b. 10/11-1861 in Horten. She must be the foster daughter who in 1870 lives with her father's sister in Sarpsborg.

In the 1865 census, Jacobea Becker, 47 years old, unmarried, born in Kongsberg, lives in Ollebakgaden in Horten and runs a "Fashion shop". They must therefore have married between 1865 and 1870, then probably in the Methodist church in Horten. Possibly they can be contacted directly to investigate whether this is the right man, who already travels to Queensland in 1872 and is divorced before 1875.

Thank you so much Anita....amazing...the divorce/separation may explain his 'exile' or 'running away' to Australia....

[Stephen Nuske]

22 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

I have searched in seamen's rolls in Tønsberg, Holmestrand and Kristiania, with no luck, I am afraid. (I may have overlooked smth, of course.)

Thank you Richard for your efforts. Deeply appreciated...

[Stephen Nuske]

22 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

Census 1870!

This one is very interesting.

He was born in Semb, the municipality next to Tønsberg.

He is a sailor missionary.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/53317/188

 

Very interesting indeed! I think you have hit the 'jackpot', 'johannpot', 'johnpot'...'Jackpot' is English idiom...

[Stephen Nuske]

22 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

His wife – Jacobea was a methodist:

Census 1875:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/52055/6025

 

She died 16.08.1900

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/4142/67

 

"Widow of Methodist priest Johan Hansen"

Amazing! Thank you...it seems to fit...

[Stephen Nuske]

23 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

I have searched in seamen's rolls in Tønsberg, Holmestrand and Kristiania, with no luck, I am afraid. (I may have overlooked smth, of course.)

 

22 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

His wife – Jacobea was a methodist:

Census 1875:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/52055/6025

 

She died 16.08.1900

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/4142/67

 

"Widow of Methodist priest Johan Hansen"

Amazing! Fits...

[Stephen Nuske]

20 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

His bapism in 1828:

Sem kirkebøker, SAKO/A-5/G/Ga/L0002: Klokkerbok nr. I 2, 1826-1844, s. 14-15
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070425630174
 

His father Bøje Hansen was a school teacher at Jarlsberg school.

 

His confirmation in 1842:

Sem kirkebøker, SAKO/A-5/F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1825-1842, s. 372-373
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070425640119
Place of residence: "Skolen"

Thank you Richard!

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

Bøye Hansen died in 1871, heirs listed but no info on Johan Henrik Hansens occupation or whereabouts.

Sem lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-547/H/Ha/L0003: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1870-1889
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10101211297012
 

Helvig Hansen (mother) died i 1890, no heirs mentioned

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pg00000002434742

 

... which means we have yet to ascertain whether Johan Henrik Hansen, son of Bøye and Helvig, is your Johan Henrik Hansen. (But it is a good candidate.)

Thank you so much...Agreed...he is certainly a good candidate....a divorce/separation may explain some things...

[Stephen Nuske]

12 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

 

There were large Methodist congregations in Sarpsborg, Halden, Konsgberg and Arendal.

There are member lists that have been scanned, but I have not yet found either JHH or other relevant people.
 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/sources?s=metod*&from=1850&to=1880&format=all&archive_key=

 

I haven't checked them all - and there are other dissenter lists as well.

Amazing! Thank you so much...it is really quite an insight to Norway....and I deeply appreciate your assistance....The Methodist connection might help explain the anglicisation of Hansen and the link with New York...

[Stephen Nuske]

Well, I can't thank you enough, dear people in Norway, for your efforts...I am going to later have to try and summarise some stuff...

The 1871 July edition of The Sailors Magazine (New York), page 196, writes that Captain Hansen, a Norwegian by  birth, was converted in this country [namely USA - these things happen there!] and after having been licenced to preach, returned to Norway...in one of his letters he writes that he used Methodist congregations in Norway....it may explain why he is not on the roll of seafarers missionaries in Norway....his coming to Australia may be due to a marriage breakup, a sort of running sway....his calling himself a 'Lutheran minister' in Queensland, Australia, may indicate an evolving or maturing understanding, even though he continued a sort of 'revivalist' network......

[Anita Holck]

Jeg har sendt en forespørsel til Metodistkirken i Horten, så får jeg se om de svarer.

[Lars Kittilsen]

32 minutter siden, Anita Holck skrev:

Jeg har sendt en forespørsel til Metodistkirken i Horten, så får jeg se om de svarer.

Kanskje vi skulle gjort det samme til Sarpsborg?

[Lars Kittilsen]

Det bidrar ikke til så mye nytt, men siden jeg først fant den ...

Morgenbladet

 

[Stephen Nuske]

21 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

Jeg har sendt en forespørsel til Metodistkirken i Horten, så får jeg se om de svarer.

Ah thank you Anita Holck....

 

[Stephen Nuske]

11 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

It doesn't contribute much new, but since I first found it...

Morgenbladet

 

It all helps - thank you Lars Kittilsen...

[Stephen Nuske]

I hope the following is of assistance.

In 1869, the Forty First Annual report of the American Seamen's Friend Society had this to say about Rev. J. H. Hansen who reports on

his preaching itinerary and the places he visits....

'FREDRICKSHALD - Rev. J. H. Hansen, Sailor Missionary.

'Mr Hansen commenced....at Wallow Saltwerk, a place of 500 inhabiitants, mostly sea-faring people, December 1st, 1867.

In a letter dated August 21st, 1868, he says he labored on the islands...travelled on the West coast, visiting Langesund, Porsgrund,

Skien, Kragero, and several intermediate towns....visited Horten (our naval station)...in ...August visited the borders of Sweden...Fredrickshald...

preached sometimes in private dwellings, but chiefly in the Methodist Church...in September...in Christiania ..in a large hall...

..October..in the Bethel room...and neighbourhood of Tonsberg and on the islands...November... Christiania...Sarpsborg (letter 1869)...in the towns of 

Christiania, Fredrickshald, Fredrikstad and Sarpsborg...and have been permitted to make use of the Methodist churches in these towns...Could you appoint H. P. Bergh in Christiania?...' etc...

Excerpts from pages 12-14  Forty First Annual report of the American Seamen's Friend Society...

[Richard Johan Natvig]

Interesting. Just two quick comments: Wallow Saltwerk = Vallø Saltverk (https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallø_saltverk), Fredrickshald (Fredrikdhald) = today's Halden. (But perhaps you knew this already.)

[Lars Kittilsen]

I don't think Johan Henrik lived in Norway in 1865. There are no relevant hits in the census.
 

Under the same census, there is an interesting match here:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038118005280
(see number 183).

 

This must be Boye/Bøye Hansen and wife Helvig. These are the "parent candidates" mentioned by Richard Johan Natvig. Father is "Hans B" - and that makes sense when we are looking for Johan Henrik Hansen – not Johan Henrik Boyesen/Bøyesen.

(He was christened Hans Bøye: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000010052953)

 

The place of residence during the census is Valløe, and they lived together with people from the saltworks (including the Tschudy family)

Endret Januar 7, 2023 av Lars Kittilsen

[Stephen Nuske]

18 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

Interesting. Just two quick comments: Wallow Saltwerk = Vallø Saltverk (https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vallø_saltverk), Fredrickshald (Fredrikdhald) = today's Halden. (But perhaps you knew this already.)

Thanks for this - no I did not know that  - I have not researched all the place names but had a hunch that some may be different or misspelt.... 

[Stephen Nuske]

6 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

I don't think Johan Henrik lived in Norway in 1865. There are no relevant hits in the census.
 

Under the same census, there is an interesting match here:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038118005280
(see number 183).

 

This must be Boye/Bøye Hansen and wife Helvig. These are the "parent candidates" mentioned by Richard Johan Natvig. Father is "Hans B" - and that makes sense when we are looking for Johan Henrik Hansen – not Johan Henrik Boyesen/Bøyesen.

(He was christened Hans Bøye: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000010052953)

 

The place of residence during the census is Valløe, and they lived together with people from the saltworks (including the Tschudy family)

Thank you for this...a very important point that Johan Henrik was not living in Norway in 1865 for the Census. ....sailing...

And thank you for the parent candidates reference and the point re the names ...The other one was restricted but that is okay. Stay well.

Kind regards, Stephen.

 

[Lars Kittilsen]

4 timer siden, Stephen Nuske skrev:

Thank you for this...a very important point that Johan Henrik was not living in Norway in 1865 for the Census. ....sailing...

And thank you for the parent candidates reference and the point re the names ...The other one was restricted but that is okay. Stay well.

Kind regards, Stephen.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000010052953

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8496/93

[Anita Holck]

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2877/108474/13
Første Metodistkirke Oslo - menighetsprotokoller, SAO/PAO-0067/F/L0001: Dissenterprotokoll nr. 1, 1865-1883, s. 13

1875, April 15, Fru Jacobea Hansen født Becker, Opholdssted: Kristiania, Fra hvilket Kirkesamfund: Metodistm. Sarpsborg, Hendes Mand er nu(?) i New Sealand

 

Men jeg finner henne ikke innmeldt i Sarpsborg

 

[Lars Kittilsen]

Fantastisk at du klarte å finne henne! Jeg har lest og lest … 🙂

 

Mens vi er inne på Jacobea – her er hun i to kommunale folketellinger (1883 og 1899)

 

Kommunal folketelling 1883, Pilestredet 30 B
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/65543/3323

 

Kommunal folketelling 1899, Peder Clausensgate 2
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/70811/10259

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2877/108474/13
First Methodist Church Oslo - congregation protocols, SAO/PAO-0067/F/L0001: Dissenter protocol no. 1, 1865-1883, p. 13

1875, April 15, Mrs. Jacobea Hansen née Becker, Residence: Kristiania, From which church community: Methodist. Sarpsborg, Her husband is now(?) in New Zealand

 

But I can't find her registered in Sarpsborg

 

An amazing reference Anita Holck - thank you....

Endret Januar 9, 2023 av Stephen Nuske