'Lutheran minister' Captain Johan (John) Henrik (Henry) Hansen b.abt 1827 d.1899 Maryborough, Australia

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2877/108474/13
Første Metodistkirke Oslo - menighetsprotokoller, SAO/PAO-0067/F/L0001: Dissenterprotokoll nr. 1, 1865-1883, s. 13

1875, April 15, Fru Jacobea Hansen født Becker, Opholdssted: Kristiania, Fra hvilket Kirkesamfund: Metodistm. Sarpsborg, Hendes Mand er nu(?) i New Sealand

 

Men jeg finner henne ikke innmeldt i Sarpsborg

 

Wow! Thank you...

[Stephen Nuske]

Thank you so much (in alphabetical order!)  Anita Holck, Lars Kittilsen and Richard Johan Natvig (and I hope I have not missed anyone), for your skills, research and comments, in unravelling Johan Henrik Hansen (John Henry Hansen). I am amazed and astounded at your gifts...and it all adds to a little known person with an intriguing revivalist-'dissenter' background who contributed to the Lutheran Church in Queensland, Australia...

1. In the next few days I will attempt to summarise your findings...hope that is okay??

2. The prime candidate is, of course, Johan Hansen, born at Semb, next to Tonsberg...whose wife Jacobea was a Methodist...and your search Anita Holck re his wife is so important...

3. He was the son of the school teacher....which I think explains his 'literacy'... He was baptised in 1828 but I want to confirm the date of birth and will check the primary source (and my Norwegian!)

4. Roald Kverndal (1921-2015) in his exhaustive work 'Seamen's Missions: Their Origin an Early Growth'  points out on page 478 re the American Seamen's Friend Society:   'By the late 1860s, the Society had a team of  no less than twelve sailor missionaries stationed at Scandinavian seaports...'  and this is the network of Johan Hansen, after his 'conversion' in New York, he is one of these people...he was employed by the Americans...

5. That he was divorced...whatever happened...identified as 'Lutheran' in Queensland, is intriguing..

Enough... 

[Anita Holck]

I find this quite interesting because Jacobea Hansen born Becker was the cousin of my great-great-grandmother and I had not found anything about her after the 1865 census.

Endret Januar 9, 2023 av Anita Holck

[Lars Kittilsen]

I see that Jacobea was active in the Methodist Church. She often organized bazaars 🙂

In the autumn of 1874, she organized a bazaar in Sarpsborg.

 

Sarpen (nb.no)

 

In 1875 she organized a bazaar in Kristiania.

 

Dagbladet (nb.no)

 

That is correct when we know that she became a member of the congregation in Oslo on 15 April 1875.

Endret Januar 9, 2023 av Lars Kittilsen

[Richard Johan Natvig]

56 minutter siden, Lars Kittilsen skrev:

In the autumn of 1874, she organized a bazaar in Sarpsborg.

Also in the spring 1875, in Sarpsborg:

from the newspaper Sarpen March 10, 1875.

[Anita Holck]

"Bøye Hansen died in 1871, heirs listed but no info on Johan Henrik Hansens occupation or whereabouts."

Sem lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-547/H/Ha/L0003: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1870-1889
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10101211297012

 

Står det ikke "Enkemand Skolelærer" her? Hvorfor står Bøye Hansen som enkemann i 1871 dersom kona Helvig ikke dør før i 1890?

[Richard Johan Natvig]

9 minutter siden, Anita Holck skrev:

"Bøye Hansen died in 1871, heirs listed but no info on Johan Henrik Hansens occupation or whereabouts."

Sem lensmannskontor, SAKO/A-547/H/Ha/L0003: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1870-1889
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10101211297012

 

Står det ikke "Enkemand Skolelærer" her? Hvorfor står Bøye Hansen som enkemann i 1871 dersom kona Helvig ikke dør før i 1890?

 

Godt spørsmål.  Kanskje så enkelt som feilregistering i dødsprotokollen? Eg trur det. I kyrkjeboka står det: "Forhenv[ærende] Skolelærer". nr. 54 her:

Sem kirkebøker, SAKO/A-5/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1866-1873, s. 219
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018020925
 

 

 

[Lars Kittilsen]

2 timer siden, Richard Johan Natvig skrev:

 

Godt spørsmål.  Kanskje så enkelt som feilregistering i dødsprotokollen? Eg trur det. I kyrkjeboka står det: "Forhenv[ærende] Skolelærer". nr. 54 her:

Sem kirkebøker, SAKO/A-5/F/Fa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. I 8, 1866-1873, s. 219
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018020925
 

 

 

Hun levde på grei pensjon i 1875:

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/52150/1797

Bodde sammen med datteren.

 

Legger også ved dødsannonsen fra 1890

Tunsbergeren (nb.no)

 

[Lars Kittilsen]

En betraktning:
Når vi leser om  familien til Boye Hansen, nevnes Julius, Karl og Thor Henrik, men aldri eldstesønnen Johan Henrik.

Sem og Slagen : en bygdebok. B. 1 D. 2 : Gårdshistorie Slagen sogn

Det betyr kanskje at han brøyt eller mistet kontakten med familien?

Endret Januar 9, 2023 av Lars Kittilsen

[Richard Johan Natvig]

11 minutter siden, Lars Kittilsen skrev:

En betraktning:
Når vi leser om  familien til Boye Hansen, nevnes Julius, Karl og Thor Henrik, men aldri eldstesønnen Johan Henrik.

Sem og Slagen : en bygdebok. B. 1 D. 2 : Gårdshistorie Slagen sogn

Det betyr kanskje at han brøyt eller mistet kontakten med familien?

 

Eg har merkt meg og undra meg over det same i bygdeboka; han er i det heile tatt påfallende usynleg i norske kjelder i den tida han skulle vera aktiv som "sjømisjonær" (1866-1872) , ikkje ein gong annonser i aviser for møter. 

[Stephen Nuske]

13 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

I find this quite interesting because Jacobea Hansen born Becker was the cousin of my great-great-grandmother and I had not found anything about her after the 1865 census.

Well I am 'gobsmacked' that Jacobea is the cousin of your gt gt grandmother......(gobsmacked  - a weird English or Australian expression which means hit in the gob meaning mouth)....

[Stephen Nuske]

6 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

I have noticed and wondered about the same thing in the village book; he is, on the whole, conspicuously invisible in Norwegian sources during the time he was supposed to be active as a "sea missionary" (1866-1872), not even advertisements in newspapers for meetings. 

Hm...I can only speculate....perhaps I have the wrong person....or, religion can be divisive....his reports - letters - there are excerpts in the Sailor's Magazine and Seamen's Friend (New York) are interesting...see the excerpt from June 1868 page 296 below...he was a 'revivalist'...Kverndahl in Seamen's Missions (1986) writes on p478 'However, the kingdoms of Scandinavia were more massively Lutheran than their intended benefactors believed. Missionary endeavour in the employ of a nation so unashamedly republican and religiously pluralistic as the United States of America could not escape opposition when performed by men with Methodist and Baptist loyalties. Even after the relaxation of more blatantly intolerant legislation, the efforts of these emissaries were inevitably curtailed by sociological and denominational realities.'

 

 

 

[Stephen Nuske]

7 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

A consideration:
When we read about Boye Hansen's family, Julius, Karl and Thor Henrik are mentioned, but never the eldest son Johan Henrik.

Sem and Slagen: a village book. B. 1 D. 2 : Farm history Slagen parish

Does it perhaps mean that he broke off or lost contact with his family?

See my other response....but yes, I think it can mean a 'dislocation' in family relationships....it may be that his family rejected or 'fell out' with him....rather than the other way around....this is a pattern sometimes that can be observed, not only in the nineteenth century...he had become a 'dissenter' ..and if we have the right person, his father being a school teacher, educated, well, it might not have helped...Johan Henrik had also been away from home for some time, as a sailor, and now he comes back and is a 'changed' person....but I m speculating....

[Richard Johan Natvig]

5 timer siden, Stephen Nuske skrev:

Hm...I can only speculate....perhaps I have the wrong person....or, religion can be divisive....his reports - letters - there are excerpts in the Sailor's Magazine and Seamen's Friend (New York) are interesting...see the excerpt from June 1868 page 296 below...he was a 'revivalist'...writes on p478 'However, the kingdoms of Scandinavia were more massively Lutheran than their intended benefactors believed. Missionary endeavour in the employ of a nation so unashamedly republican and religiously pluralistic as the United States of America could not escape opposition when performed by men with Methodist and Baptist loyalties. Even after the relaxation of more blatantly intolerant legislation, the efforts of these emissaries were inevitably curtailed by sociological and denominational realities.'

 

 

 

 

Your link did not work. The excerpt mentioned from Sailor's Magazine and Seamen's Friend :

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101065274480&view=1up&seq=252, 

 

I think, hower, that you do have the right person. The lack of advertisements in newspapers may be because they used other means to announce their meetings, and also, not all newspapers have been scanned and searcheable, yet, by the National Library (nb.no).

[Stephen Nuske]

1 hour ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

Your link did not work. The excerpt mentioned from Sailor's Magazine and Seamen's Friend :

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101065274480&view=1up&seq=252, 

 

I think, hower, that you do have the right person. The lack of advertisements in newspapers may be because they used other means to announce their meetings, and also, not all newspapers have been scanned and searcheable, yet, by the National Library (nb.no).

Okay thanks for that Richard....I do not know enough about the local context but the 'Dissidents' may not have not have been 'kosher' re normal advertisements??

See if this link works for p296...Search >Hansen< in the document Sailor's Magazine Vol. 40 June 1868...

https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/The_Sailors_Magazine_and_Seamen_s_Friend/lN0aAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Sailor's+Magazine+Volume+40&printsec=frontcover

Endret Januar 10, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
elaboration

[Lars Kittilsen]

#201 - The sailors' magazine and seamen's friend. vol. 40 (inc.). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

 

[Anita Holck]

... og samme kilde # 252, s. 296, Juni 1868.

[Lars Kittilsen]

Han var i Amerika på slutten av 1860-tallet, giftet seg med Jacobea før 1870, og reiste igjen kort tid etter.

Hvorfor giftet han seg med Jacobea? 

[Stephen Nuske]

14 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

Your link did not work. The excerpt mentioned from Sailor's Magazine and Seamen's Friend :

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101065274480&view=1up&seq=252, 

 

I think, hower, that you do have the right person. The lack of advertisements in newspapers may be because they used other means to announce their meetings, and also, not all newspapers have been scanned and searcheable, yet, by the National Library (nb.no).

 

7 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

#201 - The sailors' magazine and seamen's friend. vol. 40 (inc.). - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

 

Thank you so much for that Lars...I had missed that one....I am trying to trace this St. Paul's - I think it was Methodist...there were quite a lot of Scandinavians in New York....quite a number became Methodists...the Norwegians Seamen's Church opened up a bit later and the Lutherans were involved....

Endret Januar 11, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
typo

[Stephen Nuske]

4 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

He was in America in the late 1860s, married Jacobea before 1870, and left again soon after.

Why did he marry Jacobea? 

Good question....and were they married in a Methodist Church...I wiil have to check past posts....was Jacobea a Methodist before she met J H Hansen? Or did she meet him at a meeting where he was speaking???

 

Endret Januar 11, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
elaboration

[Stephen Nuske]

On 1/10/2023 at 2:43 AM, Anita Holck said:

"Bøye Hansen died in 1871, heirs listed but no info on Johan Henrik Hansens occupation or whereabouts."

Sem sheriff's office, SAKO/A-547/H/Ha/L0003: Death record, 1870-1889
User link for page view: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10101211297012

 

Doesn't it say "Enkemand School Teacher" here? Why is Bøye Hansen a widower in 1871 if his wife Helvig does not die until 1890?

Good question...have I got the incorrect person/people???

Endret Januar 11, 2023 av Stephen Nuske

[Lars Kittilsen]

6 timer siden, Stephen Nuske skrev:

 

Thank you so much for that Lars...I had missed that one....I am trying to trace this St. Paul's - I think it was Methodist...there were quite a lot of Scandinavians in New York....quite a number became Methodists...the Norwegians Seamen's Church opened up a bit later and the Lutherans were involved....

Some of the men mentioned come from other faith communities. Mr Rymker is a man who is often mentioned. He was a Baptist. 

Frederick Rymker – Store norske leksikon (snl.no)

He came to Porsgrunn in 1857, and founded Norway's first Baptist congregation in my hometown 🙂

Endret Januar 11, 2023 av Lars Kittilsen

[Stephen Nuske]

2 hours ago, Lars Kittilsen said:

Some of the men mentioned come from other faith communities. Mr Rymker is a man who is often mentioned. He was a Baptist. 

Frederick Rymker – Store norske leksikon (snl.no)

He came to Porsgrunn in 1857, and founded Norway's first Baptist congregation in my hometown 🙂

Well well well...that is amazing re your hometown....thank you for pointing that out about Mr. Rymker being a Baptist...

[Anita Holck]

På 10.1.2023 den 20.52, Lars Kittilsen skrev:

Han var i Amerika på slutten av 1860-tallet, giftet seg med Jacobea før 1870, og reiste igjen kort tid etter.

Hvorfor giftet han seg med Jacobea? 

Lovet hun ham gull og grønne skoger, eller lovet han henne en dans på roser?

 

Det ser i hvert fall ut til at det var en del penger i Beckerfamilien:

*Johanne Marie Becker (1816-1904) g. Andersen ble enke før 1865. I 1875 står hun som beboer og eier av bygården St. Olavs Gade 19 i Kristiania, i 1910 står sønnen Axel som gårdeier av samme bygård.

* Jacobea Becker g. Hansen (1819-1900) har jo først egen "modehandel" i Horten, når hun flytter til Kristiania i 1875 ser vi av "Bazaren" i september at hun har adresse St. Olavs Gade 19 (bor altså hos søsteren), men allerede i desember i folketellingen har hun kjøpt sin egen bygård i Pilestredet 30b (Edvard Munch bodde her 1868-1875) og står som huseierske. Her bor hun fortsatt i 1883. Oppført med "Formue" 1899.

* Johan Christian Becker (1822-1898) ble boende på Kongsberg hvor han er snekkermester og trelasthandler og bor i Gamlegrænden 502 (en adresse jeg ikke finner på Kongsberg).

* Arne Becker (1825-1901) flyttet til Horten og var skipper, skipsreder, i 1900 gårdbruker og "rentenist". Han bor først (1865 og 1870) i Storgaden 18 - som merkelig nok er den adressen Metodistkirken har i dag. Han kjøpte Søndre Braarud og eide og bodde i et murhus i Storgaden 59a. Han eide i hvert fall også Strandgaden 3 (i dag Strandpromenaden 3?)

 

 

 

[Stephen Nuske]

12 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

Did she promise him gold and green forests, or did he promise her a dance on roses?

 

At least it seems that there was a lot of money in the Becker family:

*Johanne Marie Becker (1816-1904) nee Andersen was widowed before 1865. In 1875 she is resident and owner of the block of flats St. Olavs Gade 19 in Kristiania, in 1910 her son Axel is the owner of the same block of flats.

* Jacobea Becker n. Hansen (1819-1900) first had her own "fashion shop" in Horten, when she moved to Kristiania in 1875 we see from "Bazaren" in September that she had an address at St. Olavs Gade 19 (so she lived with her sister ), but already in December in the census she has bought her own block of flats at Pilestredet 30b (Edvard Munch lived here 1868-1875) and is listed as the owner of the house. She still lives here in 1883. Listed with "Fortune" 1899.

* Johan Christian Becker (1822-1898) lived in Kongsberg where he is a master carpenter and timber merchant and lives at Gamlegrænden 502 (an address I cannot find in Kongsberg).

* Arne Becker (1825-1901) moved to Horten and was a skipper, shipowner, in 1900 a farmer and "rentier". He first lived (1865 and 1870) at Storgaden 18 - which, oddly enough, is the address the Methodist Church has today. He bought Søndre Braarud and owned and lived in a brick house at Storgaden 59a. At least he also owned Strandgaden 3 (today Strandpromenaden 3?)

 

'Did she promise him gold and green forests, or did he promise her a dance on roses?'

Well put!....There is certainly something 'fishy' going on...