'Lutheran minister' Captain Johan (John) Henrik (Henry) Hansen b.abt 1827 d.1899 Maryborough, Australia

[Stephen Nuske]

There is certainly a family network:

https://www.geni.com/people/Helvig-Hauff/6000000019106053232

 

https://www.myheritage.no/site-individuals-141453391/poulsen?fsn=1&page=10

the entry under Poulsen is:

92

Johan Henrik Hansen  Poulsen Parents:  Hans Boye and Helvig Hansdatter Brothers:  Karl, Thor Henrik and Julius

30 March 1828

Endret Januar 13, 2023 av Stephen Nuske

[Stephen Nuske]

12 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

Lovet hun ham gull og grønne skoger, eller lovet han henne en dans på roser?

 

Det ser i hvert fall ut til at det var en del penger i Beckerfamilien:

*Johanne Marie Becker (1816-1904) g. Andersen ble enke før 1865. I 1875 står hun som beboer og eier av bygården St. Olavs Gade 19 i Kristiania, i 1910 står sønnen Axel som gårdeier av samme bygård.

* Jacobea Becker g. Hansen (1819-1900) har jo først egen "modehandel" i Horten, når hun flytter til Kristiania i 1875 ser vi av "Bazaren" i september at hun har adresse St. Olavs Gade 19 (bor altså hos søsteren), men allerede i desember i folketellingen har hun kjøpt sin egen bygård i Pilestredet 30b (Edvard Munch bodde her 1868-1875) og står som huseierske. Her bor hun fortsatt i 1883. Oppført med "Formue" 1899.

* Johan Christian Becker (1822-1898) ble boende på Kongsberg hvor han er snekkermester og trelasthandler og bor i Gamlegrænden 502 (en adresse jeg ikke finner på Kongsberg).

* Arne Becker (1825-1901) flyttet til Horten og var skipper, skipsreder, i 1900 gårdbruker og "rentenist". Han bor først (1865 og 1870) i Storgaden 18 - som merkelig nok er den adressen Metodistkirken har i dag. Han kjøpte Søndre Braarud og eide og bodde i et murhus i Storgaden 59a. Han eide i hvert fall også Strandgaden 3 (i dag Strandpromenaden 3?)

 

 

 

Thank you for Jacobea's wider family ...perhaps J. H. Hansen married her for the Kroner...perhaps he had a  certain 'charisma'....but  certainly there seems to be >dislocation< or some chaos or upheaval....

[Stephen Nuske]

On 1/5/2023 at 7:30 PM, Lars Kittilsen said:

Norwegian emigrant protocol - 31.10.1872

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/43612/194 (no 68)

 

Brilliant...I am going over everyone's posts...nb Queensland...

[Stephen Nuske]

Someone posted for me the following and I have downloaded it:

Oslo skifterett, SAOA-10383GGaGabL0001 Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1899-1903, s. 104, for Jacobea Hansen, ....

But I just could not find the post and might I ask, who was it, with a big please?

[Stephen Nuske]

On a different note, J. H. Hansen, and a few brief observations:

Seafarer and traveller, father is a school teacher, J. H. Hansen is the oldest in the family, conversion experience in New York, commissioned by the American Seamen's Society as a missionary for Norway and is called the 'Rev. J. H. Hansen', back in Norway he marries Jacobea Becker  from a wealthy family, she is a Methodist, they have a foster daughter who is her niece, there is a divorce, he leaves Norway and arrives in Queensland and names himself as a Lutheran minister....

It is intriguing. There are disruptions/crisis moments...Has J. H. Hansen gone into exile? Is he an opportunist? Has he had a change of mind on more than one occasion? In regards to church misdemeanours, there are usually three aspects which lead to suspension or removal from 'public office' in the Church: These are,,  not in any order: 1) false teaching, 2) financial impropriety and 3) immorality...

 

 

Endret Januar 14, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
correction and elaboration

[Richard Johan Natvig]

9 timer siden, Stephen Nuske skrev:

Someone posted for me the following and I have downloaded it:

Oslo skifterett, SAOA-10383GGaGabL0001 Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1899-1903, s. 104, for Jacobea Hansen, ....

But I just could not find the post and might I ask, who was it, with a big please?

 

 

I have transliterated the death record:

 

Fru Jacobea Hansen, 81 Aar, død igaar i 2 Peder Claussensgd. Testamentet indført i testamentprotokol no. 5 fol. 164.

30/5 Test. indlev. af executor testamenti Adv. V. M. Aubert og Adj Andersen …?

Afd. er for flere Aar siden lovlig skilt fra sin Mand Sømandspræst John Hansen, med hvem Afd. ei havde Børn. Testam. til Fordel for Anmelder lovedes indl.

Særeie mell. Afd. og Mand lovedes forevist.

Testaments prot. N. 5 fol. 164.

Anmeldt af Adjunkt Axel Andersen – St. Olafsgd. 19. Andersen kommer hid senere. 28/8 med Testamente og Ægtep. 28/8 indl. Testamente og Ægtepagt samt lovet Erkl. om Boets Overtagelse.

Endret Januar 13, 2023 av Richard Johan Natvig

[Richard Johan Natvig]

8 timer siden, Stephen Nuske skrev:

they have a foster daughter who is her niece,

I am not too sure about her being a foster daughter, even if it says so in the Sarpsborg 1870 census (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01053317001099). Those who filled in the census forms did not always know details. She is in fact also in the Horten 1870 census, listed as daughter (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01053335000156). Clearly her parents were in a good position to take care of her and the other children in the family. Perhaps she  just happened to visit her aunt in Sarpsborg at the  time of the census.

Endret Januar 13, 2023 av Richard Johan Natvig

[Richard Johan Natvig]

 

The sailors' magazine and seamen's friend. v.43-44 (1871-1872) p. 209 (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah6gfq&view=1up&seq=617&q1=hansen)

 

Was he fired? Forced to resign? Is that why he up and left for Australia? Lots of questions!

 

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

 

I have transliterated the death record:

 

Fru Jacobea Hansen, 81 Aar, død igaar i 2 Peder Claussensgd. Testamentet indført i testamentprotokol no. 5 fol. 164.

30/5 Test. indlev. af executor testamenti Adv. V. M. Aubert og Adj Andersen …?

Afd. er for flere Aar siden lovlig skilt fra sin Mand Sømandspræst John Hansen, med hvem Afd. ei havde Børn. Testam. til Fordel for Anmelder lovedes indl.

Særeie mell. Afd. og Mand lovedes forevist.

Testaments prot. N. 5 fol. 164.

Anmeldt af Adjunkt Axel Andersen – St. Olafsgd. 19. Andersen kommer hid senere. 28/8 med Testamente og Ægtep. 28/8 indl. Testamente og Ægtepagt samt lovet Erkl. om Boets Overtagelse.

Ah thank you so much Richard Johan Natvig....just brilliant to have that transliteration ...and Lars Kittilsen posted it originally...

Endret Januar 14, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
typo

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

 

The sailors' magazine and seamen's friend. v.43-44 (1871-1872) p. 209 (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.ah6gfq&view=1up&seq=617&q1=hansen)

 

Was he fired? Forced to resign? Is that why he up and left for Australia? Lots of questions!

 

Yes, very judiciously and pastorally put...thank you Richard...Yes there are lots of questions and we may never know the answers. And I am inclined to think that you are correct, that this is the reason why he up and left for Australia...It seems to be a quick exit...Was he ashamed of something? Shame can be a powerful force > to run away......there are original letters in the Archives of the Sailors Society in New York...

Endret Januar 14, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
elaboration

[Stephen Nuske]

16 hours ago, Richard Johan Natvig said:

I am not too sure about her being a foster daughter, even if it says so in the Sarpsborg 1870 census (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01053317001099). Those who filled in the census forms did not always know details. She is in fact also in the Horten 1870 census, listed as daughter (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/pf01053335000156). Clearly her parents were in a good position to take care of her and the other children in the family. Perhaps she  just happened to visit her aunt in Sarpsborg at the  time of the census.

Thanks for that Richard Johan Natvig...a good point.

Endret Januar 14, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
clarification

[Stephen Nuske]

Inga Becker, the niece of Jacobea Hansen (nee Becker), who would have known J. H. Hansen as a 9 year old...

Inga Jacobine Andrea Wold (born Becker), 1861 - 1948

Inga Jacobine Andrea Wold (born Becker) was born on month day 1861, in birth place , to Arne Becker and Helle Karine Larsdatter Becker (born Bang) .

Arne was born on May 16 1825, in Kongsberg.

Helle was born on May 5 1834, in Undrumsdal.

Inga had 6 siblings: Arnold Ludvig Becker , Sofie Henrikke Becker and 4 other siblings .

Inga married Herman Martinius Wold on month day 1886, at age 24 in marriage place .

Herman was born on April 10 1855, in Borre.

His occupation was a skipsfører.

They had 4 sons: Herman Becker Wold and 3 other children .

Inga passed away on month day 1948, at age 87 in death place .

Endret Januar 14, 2023 av Stephen Nuske
clarification

[Anita Holck]

Da har jeg fått svar fra Metodistkirken i Horten, datert hhv. 7. og 8. mars:

Kjære Anita Holck!

Jeg har ikke sett denne henvendelsen før nå i kveld. Beklager det.

 

Jeg skal prøve å få sjekket dette i kirkebøkene så snart jeg kan, så sender jeg svar tilbake.

 

Menigheten ble stiftet i 1869, så det er kun fra denne dato jeg kan finne noe.

 

Vennlig hilsen 

Hilde Sanden-Bjønness 

prest i Metodistkirken i Horten 

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Hei igjen!

 

Jeg har gått gjennom kirkebøkene i Horten og Tønsberg. Jeg finner dessverre verken Johan Hansen eller Jacobea Becker i dem. Men Metodistkirken fantes etablert i Norge fra 1856.

 

Hilsen

Hilde Sanden-Bjønness 

 

[Stephen Nuske]

5 hours ago, Anita Holck said:

Then I received a reply from the Methodist Church in Horten, dated respectively. March 7 and 8:

Dear Anita Holck!

 

I have not seen this inquiry until now this evening. Sorry about that.

 

 

 

I will try to check this in the church records as soon as I can, then I will send an answer back.

 

 

 

The congregation was founded in 1869, so it is only from this date that I can find anything.

 

 

 

Sincerely 

 

Hilde Sanden-Bjønness 

 

priest in the Methodist Church in Horten 

 

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Hello again!

 

 

 

I have gone through the church registers in Horten and Tønsberg. Unfortunately, I can't find either Johan Hansen or Jacobea Becker in them. But the Methodist Church was established in Norway from 1856.

 

 

 

Greeting

 

Hilde Sanden-Bjønness 

 

 

 

[Stephen Nuske]

Thank you so much Anita.....your faithfulness toi the topic is deeply appreciated...

and the pastor at Methodist Church in Horten..

Stay well.

Stephen.