What does the word Pro or Pros in a Swedish in a name.

[Anton Hagelee]

I am looking at a Family Tree on Ancestry.com. The persons name in the tree is Pros Anders Persson, BIRTH 14 APR 1782 • Grånäs, Gagnef, Kopparberg, Sweden. What is the significance of the word Pros? Also spelled Prose?

 

Probably this person, Nr. 45. 

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17267643:2225?ssrc=pt&tid=191560047&pid=112496338240

 

 

Andrew Prose (Pros Anders Persson in Sweden)

 

BIRTH 14 APR 1782 • Grånäs, Gagnef, Kopparberg, Sweden

DEATH 27 JAN 1841 • Gagnet, Kopparberg, Sweden

Endret Juni 15, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

You probably have to look towards the registration history rather than the person history,

and in an English/Latin dictionary rather than a Swedish.

There is no trace of "Pro(s)" in the birth/baptism record.

 

A guess: from "proles" (latin for offspring).

[Marius Hellerud]

Pro is most likely a farm name and Pros the genitive version of it. It was (and some still follow the tradition) usual to put the farm name (often in genitive)  _before_ the first name and patronymic in Dalarna, the region of Sweden where Gagnef is. 

 

Perhaps this is of interest: https://www.jegelius.se/farm.html There is much more to read online on this naming tradition too, if you’re interested.

 

Marius

[Anton Hagelee]

14 minutes ago, Marius Hellerud said:

Pro is most likely a farm name and Pros the genitive version of it. It was (and some still follow the tradition) usual to put the farm name (often in genitive)  _before_ the first name and patronymic in Dalarna, the region of Sweden where Gagnef is. 

 

Interesting. I am familiar with the Norwegian practice of the farm name following the last name but not one where the farm name comes first. My own last name of Hagelee is derived from the farm name Høgeli, a farm in the Åmli parish of Aust-Agder fylke. 

 

Are there any lists of the farms in Gagnef parish. 

 

Here is Anders and his family leaving Sweden in 1881 and traveling to Rush City, Minnesota. 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Ivar S. Ertesvåg said:

There is no trace of "Pro(s)" in the birth/baptism record.

 

The use of the Pro, Pros, Prose as part of the name in various Family Trees goes back to Per or Pehr. But I do not see a farm name of those three in this birth record either. The farm name found in at least one Family Tree is Gröntuv which seems likely looking at the original record.

 

Pehr Pehrsson

in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1909

NamePehr Pehrsson

GenderMale

Birth Date12 sep 1755

Baptism Date14 sep 1755

Baptism PlaceGagnef,Kopparberg,Sweden

FatherPer Olsson

MotherBrita Eliasdr

FHL Film Number

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2225/images/FA-113_2201__36-064100?pId=17270829

 

 

 

 

Endret Juni 15, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Roy-Petter Askim]

https://www.hembygd.se/shf/search?searchTerm=pros&placeId=142975&redirect=map&showInfo=true&detailedSearch=false&showSearch=true&showAll=true&showFiles=false&showImages=false&showPersons=false&showActivities=false&showTexts=false&showNews=false&showGalleries=false&showPages=false&showPlaces=false&showSites=false&showExternalSitesText=false&isSiteChecked=false

 

Seems to me that Pros is in a different "Kommune". There are 44 hits here, the marker on the map is one.

 

But it could also be short for the fathers name since Pros is short for Per Ols... as explained under Fredriksfors on the list from the Link.

Endret Juni 15, 2023 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Anton Hagelee]

On 6/15/2023 at 5:45 PM, Roy-Petter Askim said:

 

Seems to me that Pros is in a different "Kommune". There are 44 hits here, the marker on the map is one.

 

But it could also be short for the fathers name since Pros is short for Per Ols... as explained under Fredriksfors on the list from the Link.

 

It is interesting that I have not found any record that connects to a farm with a name containing Pro or Pros or Prose. But Anders Persson used the name on his emigration record. Here is a Husförhör (Household examination) record for the family. The farm is Sågverket.

 

 

Sweden, Church Records, 1451-1943

CountyKopparberg (Dalarna)

ParishHosjö

Village, Farm or CroftSågverket

CountrySweden

Record TypeHusförhör (Household Examination)

Year range1876-1885

GID Number2161.40.55700

VolumeAI:7B

Roll/Fiche NumberDA-104

Page number97

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/67229498:2225?ssrc=pt&tid=173595520&pid=302251238672

Endret Juni 17, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

His father when he died  Nr 47

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/8828455:60492?ssrc=pt&tid=173595520&pid=302251500523

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

The father and family in the Husförhör (Household examination) records.

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17266523:2225

 

[Anton Hagelee]

It would appear that the name with Pros was not used in this Husförhör (Household examination) records for 

 

Pros Per Persson ^

1755–1836

BIRTH 12 SEP 1755 • Gröntuv, Gagnef, Kopparberg

DEATH 16 JUN 1836 • Grånäs, Gagnef, Kopparberg

 

1775

 

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/13762130:2225?ssrc=pt&tid=48644152&pid=13533754176

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17263194:2225?ssrc=pt&tid=48644152&pid=13533754176

Endret Juni 17, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

In this same set of FamilyTrees on Ancestry, I find the use of Vass or Wass that is also used to proceed a name. For example.

 

Wass Per Olsson

1673–1708

BIRTH 1673 • Gröntuv, Gagnef, Dalarna, Sverige

DEATH 1708

 

Has this attachment. 

 

Transcript

Peer Olufsson, född o. 1673, lejdes medio 1698 till soldat för rote nr 24 Hwass vid Gagnefs kompani och gifte sig 22 oktober 1699. han och var närvarande vid mönstringen 12 juli 1700 och kan följas i fält till medio 1708 (enligt RB). 

Detail

Gagnef, Gröntuv S G45

Source information

Title

John Långberg

 

A son is 

 

Vass Olof Persson

1700–1756

BIRTH 10 AUG 1700 • Gröntuv, Gagnef, Dalarna, Sverige

DEATH 20 DEC 1756 • Gröntuv, Gagnef, Dalarna, Sverige

 

Followed by daughters with no Vass or Wass attached. 

 

Anyone have any ideas on the use of either Vass or Prose etc. I am stumped.

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Took a look at the church-books, since I do not have access on ancestry, before you published the pictures, and it seems to be very many families at Grøntuv, numbered families 1-130 in 1868. Gröntuf is name of the “fierding” ¼ of the Gagnef municipality, not a single farm. I don’t know if it is possible to see deeds/cadastral online in Sweden (found no reference in Riksarkivet).

 

It seems that this family could have been in the same place from at least 1719 until Anders moves in 1873. Possibly a house, rather than a farm, since Grøntuf is described as a “lång radby” long row city? My feeling is that Pros origins from Pehr Olson born there 28.07.1719.

 

Anders Person 11.08.1842 moved from Gagnef 19.10.1873, reference Grøntuf 126. https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012558_00038#?c=&m=&s=&cv=37&xywh=1049%2C3129%2C3157%2C1791 . Census 1880 Worked at the sawmill (Pros wrongly transcr.). https://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=anders&Efternamn=persson&DatumFran=1842&DatumTill=1842&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=false&Folk1900=false&Folk1910=false&Folk1930=false&Lan=20&AvanceradSok=False&page=21&postid=Folk_115426692&tab=post#tab . His father Pros Per Andersson 26.03.1814 lived in 125.

 

Farm names changed in Sweden, often with new owners. No. 125 could be Djurgården, if I understand the reference here correct: https://www.hembygd.se/shf/search?searchTerm=Gr%C3%B6ntuv&placeId=142975&redirect=map&showInfo=true&detailedSearch=false&showSearch=true&showAll=true&showFiles=false&showImages=false&showPersons=false&showActivities=false&showTexts=false&showNews=false&showGalleries=false&showPages=false&showPlaces=false&showSites=false&showExternalSitesText=false&isSiteChecked=false .

 

House 126 in 1868; https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012553_00126#?c=&m=&s=&cv=125&xywh=-150%2C535%2C2475%2C1164, born on Grøntuf as well as his father, previous page.

Per Anderson 26.03.1814 https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012563_00235#?c=&m=&s=&cv=234&xywh=2589%2C2565%2C2462%2C1397 son of Pros Anders Person 14.02.1782, Granås, son of Pros Per Persson 12.09.1755 born Grøntuf.  He son of bapt. no 52 - 10. Post trinitatis 1719 Pehr Olsson 28.07.1719 born Grøntuv, father Olof Andersson. https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0012560_00149#?c=&m=&s=&cv=148&xywh=491%2C2606%2C2462%2C1397 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Found this map: https://minkarta.lantmateriet.se/ Search for Prosgårdarna and from the 25 possibilities chose Gagnef. If you chose one of the Falun you can find a selection of were he probably moved in 1873.

 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Anton Hagelee]

11 minutes ago, Roy-Petter Askim said:

Found this map: https://minkarta.lantmateriet.se/ Search for Prosgårdarna and from the 25 possibilities chose Gagnef. If you chose one of the Falun you can find a selection of were he probably moved in 1873.

 

 

Thanks for the update,, I am just trying to understand all of your previous post. Maybe you could clarify a little for me. 

 

Is this correct?

 

Gröntuf is part of the

Gagnef municipality,

 

Is Granås a farm?

 

Why did you chose Prosgårdarna  to search for the farm. Does that translate to "farms with a Pros in their name"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Yes, Grøntuf is part of Gagnef. It is called a fierding, that can have two menings. It can mean the distance apr. 2.800 meters away from Gagnef center, or it can mean 1/4 of the municipality. I did not look at Granås, it is probably also a part. Yes, gårdarna means the farms or houses, and I just saw it on the map after I searched for Gagnef.

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Anton Hagelee]

16 minutes ago, Roy-Petter Askim said:

gårdarna means the farms

 

Why the use of the word Pros in front or the "gårdarna"?

It looks like each of the " Prosgårdarna" are a collection of small farms or  houses  that make up a small town. Is that correct? 

 

I appreciate all of the work you have put into this search. It has clarified a lot of the history of the Prose family for me. 

 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Roy-Petter Askim]

I still believe Pros is short for the Pehr Ols.... and that the families living there was decendants after him. An older map shows three plots marked as Prosgårdarna. You need to use the zoom here: https://historiskakartor.lantmateriet.se/hk/viewer/internal/J133-13F3c69/52414b5f4a3133332d31334633633639/rak2/RAK/Djurås, 13F3c69/Ekonomiska kartan.

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Roy-Petter Askim said:

An older map shows three plots marked as Prosgårdarna.

 

I see the three plots. 33 21 and 11. What is this map of? Gagnef or Falun?

 

 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Roy-Petter Askim]

It is Gagnef. You can see it says Gagnefbyen ("G. city") on the opposite side of the river.

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Roy-Petter Askim said:

It is Gagnef. You can see it says Gagnefbyen ("G. city") on the opposite side of the river.

 

Thanks,

 

So the two mostly likely choices are. The family name comes from some contraction of the name Pers Olsen or from  Pros Per Persson 12.09.1755  being associated in some way with the plots of land labelled Prosgårdarna.

 

Difficult task finding the truth over 250 years after the events. 

 

But I am very grateful for your help. I would not have made this much progress without it 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Juni 18, 2023 av Anton Hagelee