Shipwreck Edvard Olsen Kvalvaag 1871-1891 timeframe

[Claire Thomas]

I am looking for information regarding my ancestor Edvard Olsen Kvalvaag from Kristiansund. I am told he went down with his ship. This would have been sometime between 1871 and 1891. He was a ship builder. His son, Karl Magnus, was also a shipbuilder, and worked with family building ships in Kristiansund, Norway, before moving to America in 1906. If anyone has information on the shipwreck or the family, I would be very grateful. 

[Arkivverket - Anita Riise]

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[Grethe Flood]

Karl Magnus I guess must be Karl Kvalvaag, who is mentioned here:

 

[Grethe Flood]

Here is the birth record for Carl Magnus in 1871 - born out of wedlock ("uekte"):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/86

 

I guess this must be Edvard in the 1865 public census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038278000984

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

To be able to find information, I guess one would need the name of the ship and more exactly when Edward went down with is ship. So far I have not found him in the alphabetic registers to the seamen's rolls for Kristiansund. 

 

 

 

 

[Claire Thomas]

Thank you, Grethe Flood. All of your answers on this post and the one on Ludovika are so very helpful. I did not expect to receive replies to my posts but had exhausted my own means of searching. It is very exciting to have all of this new information. My mother will be very happy to know these things. I am going to look in Norwegian newspapers next to see if I can find anything about the shipwreck. I only know that my family said, "grandfather went down with his ship," and I assumed it was between Karl Magnus' birth and age 19 when his mother Maren Thoresdatter Uttem was listed without his dad Edvard on the 1891 census. But because he was illegitimate, he wouldn't have been on census and perhaps my timeframe is incorrect? I have not had success tracing Edvard Olsen Kvalvaag's family members at all. I would like to know who his parents were but have not found them. Are you by chance any relation to the family?

[Claire Thomas]

Anita, thank you. I have taken care of that now.

[Grethe Flood]

9 minutter siden, Claire Thomas skrev:

I assumed it was between Karl Magnus' birth and age 19 when his mother Maren Thoresdatter Uttem was listed without his dad Edvard on the 1891 census

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053030006474

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053030006475

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/53030/8613

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/53030/8614

 

Maren is not married (ugift) in the 1891 census. 

 

Maren Maria, born on 20 or 26 November 1834, baptism 19 January 1835 in Kvernes. Parents: Tore Iversen Uttem and Johanne Cornelia Svendsdatter:

Entry #12:

Møre og Romsdal county, Kvernes, Bremsnes, Kornstad in Kvernes, Parish register (official) no. 568A10 (1830-1853), Born and baptised 1834, Page 28
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/2281/37

[Claire Thomas]

Thank you, Grethe. It is very difficult trying to make sense of these Norwegian records when I do not speak Norwegian. 

[Grethe Flood]

That is why I try to explain the information given in the records - as far as possible. 

[Claire Thomas]

On 8/10/2023 at 5:50 AM, Grethe Flood said:

Here is the birth record for Carl Magnus in 1871 - born out of wedlock ("uekte"):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/86

 

I guess this must be Edvard in the 1865 public census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038278000984

 

 

Grethe, I am thinking this 1865 census you sent is likely him. I didn't know that matros meant sailor until now. I have gone through many Edward Olsens and Edward Qvalvogs in Kristiansund area and think he is the likely one due to his occupation. He likely progressed from sailor to sea captain in the following years. My mother has a picture of Edward that is captioned, "Bergen, Norway." He is in a suit with a pocket watch and the note underneath it states that Karl was a little boy when his dad, a sea captain (Edward), went down with his ship. Therefore, he could have been on a ship that departed Bergen, would have likely been between 1871 and 1881 when Karl could still be regarded as a little boy. I am thinking it is possible that he continued to work with the sailors and sea captains that are listed in the same census with him in 1865. Perhaps by tracing them I may find more information about him if they went down with the ship as well? Any thoughts? 

[Grethe Flood]

011 Anders Bøe	02	26	Halse Prgj.	-	Logerende	ug	indlandsk Skipper
012 Edward Qvalvog	02	25	Christiansund	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros
013 Peder Solemsøe	02	23	Christiansund	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros
014 Fridrik Ohr	02	24	Fredøe Prgj.	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros

 

I'm sorry that I can't give you any good advice in this matter. 

 

I guess this is Peder Solemsøe in the 1870 city census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053366000195

He is married to Gjertrud and has a daughter. 

 

And here he is with his family in 1875 public census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052326001460

He is married and has three daughters. 

 

Petra Guthilda(?), 1871

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000023156635

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/94

 

Marie Anthonette, 1868

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/34

 

Peder or Peter and his family emigrated to the US and Peter Simon Solem died in Chicago in 1912:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L9P8-KMX

 

 

 

 

 

[Claire Thomas]

On 8/12/2023 at 2:53 PM, Grethe Flood said:

011 Anders Bøe	02	26	Halse Prgj.	-	Logerende	ug	indlandsk Skipper
012 Edward Qvalvog	02	25	Christiansund	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros
013 Peder Solemsøe	02	23	Christiansund	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros
014 Fridrik Ohr	02	24	Fredøe Prgj.	-	Logerende	ug	indroul Matros

 

I'm sorry that I can't give you any good advice in this matter. 

 

I guess this is Peder Solemsøe in the 1870 city census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053366000195

He is married to Gjertrud and has a daughter. 

 

And here he is with his family in 1875 public census for Kristiansund:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052326001460

He is married and has three daughters. 

 

Petra Guthilda(?), 1871

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000023156635

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/94

 

Marie Anthonette, 1868

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/3829/34

 

Peder or Peter and his family emigrated to the US and Peter Simon Solem died in Chicago in 1912:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L9P8-KMX

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much, Grethe. I found this today. It is a death record for a sea captain I think? If that is what skipper means. His name is Edvard Mortinus Olsen from Kristiansund and he lived from 1820-1893. Can you tell what he died from by reading this record? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20071017630011

[Grethe Flood]

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?no_alias=1&from=&to=&m[]=1503&firstname=edvard+martinus&lastname=ols*&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel

[Roy-Petter Askim]

8 timer siden, Claire Thomas skrev:

what he died from

Slagtilfælde = Stroke. 

[Grethe Flood]

The Edward you have found, who died in 1893, is born in 1820. So I guess this can't be the Edward you are looking for. According to the 1865 census Edward Kvalvåg was born in 1841 (calculated). 

[Claire Thomas]

15 hours ago, Roy-Petter Askim said:

Slagtilfælde = Stroke. 

Thank you!

[Claire Thomas]

7 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

The Edward you have found, who died in 1893, is born in 1820. So I guess this can't be the Edward you are looking for. According to the 1865 census Edward Kvalvåg was born in 1841 (calculated). 

Thank you for your help. I am thinking perhaps this will just remain an unsolved mystery. I don't know where to go from here.

[Claire Thomas]

On 8/14/2023 at 6:51 PM, Claire Thomas said:

Thank you for your help. I am thinking perhaps this will just remain an unsolved mystery. I don't know where to go from here.

[Claire Thomas]

Is this a record of a steamship "Caroline" that sunk in 1887? There is a Carl Edvard Olsen that passed away on it. I cannot read the Norwegian writing.

[Grethe Flood]

The name of Carl Edvard's parents is Carl Edvard Olsen og Jensine Thorine. Then this must be the deceased Carl Edvard with his parents and elder sister in the 1865 public census for Kristiansund:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038278003067

https://rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste.aspx?ft=1865&knr=1503&kenr=0267&bnr=0267&lnr=000

• Tellingsår: 1865
• Kommune: Kristiansund
• Kommunenummer: 1503
• Gatenavn:
• Gatenr: 248
• Bydel: paa Nordlandet
• Gårdeier: Børre Olsen
• Antall leiligheter: 6

Antall personer registrert på bostedet: 36

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	Navn	Familie-stilling	Sivil-stand	Yrke	Fødselsår	Fødested	Etnisitet
	Børre Olsen	Husfader	g	Bagermester	1830	Næsseth
	Marie f Kilstrøm	hans Kone	g		1833	Christiansund
	Marta Maria Børresd.*	hans Datter	ug		1860	Christiansund
	Oluf Andreas Børres.*	hans Søn	ug		1862	Christiansund
	Maria Børresd.*	hans Datter	ug		1864	Christiansund
	Tomine Toresen		ug	Husjomfru	1848	Christiansund
	Fredrika Tomssen		ug	Tjenestepige	1844	Bergen
	Petter Hagen		ug	Bagersven	1842	Næsseth
	Lars Hansen		ug	Bagersven	1843	Qværnes
	Sven Strøm		ug	Bagerdræng	1849	Qværnes
¨	Niels A Wilhelmsen	Husfader	e	Guldsmed	1811	Bergen
	Ingeborg Marie Nielsd.*	hans Datter	ug		1842	Bergen
	Andrea Hellene Nielsd.*	hans Datter	ug		1844	Bergen
	Constanse Evrida Nielsd.*	hans Datter	ug		1847	Bergen
	Anne Ellefsdatter	Husmoder	g		1811	Læssøe
	Marit Johnsdatter	hendes Datter	ug		1831	Læssøe
	Johanes Christensen	hans!! Søn	ug	Matros	1847	Læssøe
	Anne Maria !!	Fosdatter	ug		1856	Chrsund
	Ingebrigt E. Slethagen	Logerende	ug	Dagarbeider	1848	Læssøe
	Erik Olsen	Logerende	ug	Sømand	1846	Molde
	Anders Storvig	Logerende	ug	Matros	1843	Bod Prgj.
	Carl Edevart Olsen	Husfader	g	Styrmand	1833	Chrsund
	Jensine f Falk	hans Kone	g		1834	Chrsund
	Karoline Hansine Carlsd.*	hans Datter	ug		1855	Chrsund
	Carl Edevart Carls*	hans Søn	ug		1865	Chrsund
	Christian Nielsen	Husfader	g	Matros	1834	Ørlandet
	Johana f Eisvog	hans Kone	g		1839	Næseth
	Johan Edevart Christians.*	hans Søn	ug		1864	Chrsund
	Christine Johana Christiansd.*	hans Datter	ug		1865	Chrsund
	Guri Ingbrigsdatter	Logerende	ug		1842	Surendalen
	Ingbrigt Eisvog	Logerende	ug	Matros	1837	Næseth
	Hendrik Helgesen	Husfader	g	Skomager	1825	Christiansund
	Rigine f Sten	hans Kone	g		1817	Trondhjem
	Jacophine Helgesen	hans Datter	ug		1855	Chrsund
	Peder Anderssen	Fostersøn	ug		1863	Chrsund
	Anton Andersen	Fostersøn	ug		1864	Chrsund

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[Grethe Flood]

The death record also gives information on Carl Edvard Olsen's confirmation. As far as I can read, this was in 1881. And here he is - entry #4 in 1881:

Møre og Romsdal county, Kristiansund in Kristiansund, Parish register (official) no. 572A15 (1880-1900), Confirmation 1881, Page 4
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/6800/7

 

 

Endret August 19, 2023 av Grethe Flood

[Claire Thomas]

[Claire Thomas]

This is the only photo I have.