Peder Torbjørnson Assheim

[Colin McEvoy]

Apologies if this was the wrong part of the forum to post this, and apologies as well for posting this in English. I am trying to find informaiton about Peder Torbjørnsen Assheim (about 1656-1732), who I believe is my 7th great-grandfather. In particular I was hoping to confirm whether his parents are indeed Torbjørn Pederson (1620-1682) and Siri Halvardsdotter (1630-1700), and whether he and his wife Anna Gudmundsdtr (1678-1726) had a daughter named Siri Pedersdotter (1698-1766), who would be my 6th great-grandmother.

 

I've so far not found anything on the Digitalarkivet, but I did find an Ancestry tree that listed cited these as sources:

 

Assheim i Hjelmeland bok 2 s 192 nr 5a

Assheim i Hjelmeland bok 2 s 192 nr 7

 

Does anyone know what these books might be and/or how I could possibly find them? Thank you!

 

Colin

[Matthias Kolberg]

Its book 1

Hjelmeland : gardar og folk. 1 :

Gardane på nordsida av Randøy, på Ombo, Jøsneset og i Jøsenfjorden

 

by Trygve Brandal

Hjelmeland kommune, 1989

 

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2014100107004?page=203

[Colin McEvoy]

Thank you, @Matthias Kolberg!

 

It looks like the information about Peder continues to the next page. I can't access this book from where I am. Would you mind sharing the next page as well?

Endret August 19, 2023 av Colin McEvoy

[Matthias Kolberg]

[Colin McEvoy]

Thank you @Matthias Kolberg!

 

One (dumb) question: When a line says, for example, "d. Siri, Staurland" or "e. Marit, Sandvik, Erfjord", is that referring to places those people live or have lived? So in the examples above, I can infer that Siri lived in Staurland, and Marit lived in Sandvik and Erfjord?

[Matthias Kolberg]

Yes, my interpretation is that these are names of farms where they lived later in life.

[Colin McEvoy]

Thanks for all this @Matthias Kolberg, I appreciate it!

[Håvard Hjorteland]

FYI,  There is an error in Hjelmeland Bygdebok regarding Assheim 5. Torbjørn Pederson. He was NOT a son of Peder Tormodsen Foss as mentioned. There are two probate records after Peder Foss. Torbjørn Pederson Assem is mentioned i both, but NOT as a son, but as a Skiftesmand, or witness.

 

Torbjørn Pederson Assheim was the son of Peder Torbjørnson Knutsvik, (Norda/North) and a unknown wife (migt be dougther of a Ole, since they had two sons named Ole). Knudsvik is a neibour farm to Assheim and Foss.

Peder Torbjørnson Knutsvik lived from ca. 1585 to 1650. His father Torbjørn Knutsvig lived from ca, 1555 to ca. 1615. His fathers name again is unknown.

His mothers name was Birgit, she was borned, raised and died ar Knutsvik died ca, 1630 or later. 

 

And yes, Peder Torbjørnson and Anna Gudmundsdr. had a daughter Siri Pedersdtr. (1698-1766)

She lived at another Neibour farm Nesvik, and was ca. 1719 married to Ola Pedersson Nesvig, born 1700 at the Foss farm.

Ole Pederson ran away in early 1750, with his own son-inlaws half sister Ragnhild Torbjørnsdtr. Skiftun (ca. 1719-Unknown year/place)

The two had fostered two illegal Children while Ola was a married man. He must have escaped his trial witch would result in him mising all his property/money (He was a rich man) There are countless court documents about them during the 1750s, they was higly wanted, and had a death sentence.

There was a probate record after Ola Pederson in 1758, he was not declared dead, but was still "bortømt", a run-away.

In 1762 his wife Siri Nesvig was said to be a widow. 

 

regards,

Håvard

 

Endret August 20, 2023 av Håvard Hjorteland

[Colin McEvoy]

Thanks for this information @Håvard Hjorteland! Are there records reflecting this information (like Peder Foss' probate records, or the info about Peder and Anna) available anywhere? I don't have access to a Norwegian IP address so it's hard for me to seek these things out sometimes...

[Håvard Hjorteland]

There are several Records, but such old sources is not trancribed. I guess you will find it hard to read... so do I. Can't copy/paste this to Google Translate 🙂

 

Peder Tormodsens probat 1668, he is stil alive but his wife is dead : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20110401640024

Probate 1670 left side, he is now S(alig) = dead: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20110401640042

 

The same goes for Peder and Anna and Siri married Ole Pederson Nesvik/Foss.  Those old records are not trancribed.

[Håvard Hjorteland]

Her is Siri Pedersdr. and Ola Pederson Nesvik, copyed from Hjelmeland Bygdebok, and translatet with Google Translate.

BB: https://www.nb.no/items/df1bb235f868839b6888addb794587b7?page=273&searchText=hjelmeland

Only Norwegian IP's can access. (If you use a VPN service it migt work, but I will not excactly urge you to do so...)

 

6. Ola Pederson b. ca. 1700 at Foss (12b), d. before
1762.
G. m (married). Siri Pedersdtr. b. approx. 1698 at Assheim (7b),
d. 1766.
Barn (Children):

a. Peder b. approx. 1722, Foss (14).
b. Jone, see below (56).
c. Henrik b. approx. 1724, Alvseike, Vats (9). <<NOTE from Håvard. Henrik was NOT their son
d. Marta, Skiftun (35).
e. Anna b. approx. 1727, N. Knutsvik (8).
Ola has been here since 1720. In 1757 a probate was made
after the "run away" Ola Pederson Foss.

 

From Assheim as shown above:

 

3: Østen Hallvarsdosn
G. m. Gunnhild Åselsdtr.
Barn: a. Hallvard, below.
b. Hauskoll b. approx. 1602, Steinsland, bnr. 2.
Østen is listed as a user in the tax lists
1603-1627. He owned four pounds in the farm in 1624. With
the other children giving their consent, Østen and Gunnhild
gave a laup butter (a monitary solution, not real Butter)  in the farm to their  son Hauskoll
Aasæde och landschylde" in 1625. But Hauskoll
moved to Steinsland, and it was his brother Hallvard who
came to take over from the parents.

 

4. Hallvard Østenson (3a) took over from his father and is
n. who uses 1628-1652. In 1643 he is called "for-
arma", (poor) as many others were in those years. Siri down-
below was probably his daughter.

 

5. Torbjørn Pederson b. approx. 1620 at Foss (36f), << NO, Knutsvikl
sk. 1682.
G. m. Siri Hallvardsdtr. (4) will. 1700.
Born:

a. Peder b. approx. 1656, see below (7). 
b. Hallvor b. approx. 1661, N. Valheim, Årdal
(32), since Hovda in Finnøy, g. there m.
widow Siri Olsdtr., since m. Guri Hel-
gesdtr., settled at Skiftun(21) around 1714-1718.
c. Ingrid, Breiland, bnr. 4.
d. Siri, Staurland.
e. Marit, Sandvik, Erfjord (4), g.m. Sjovat
Olson Skiftun, since Skiftun (23).
b. Malena, Tysse, Erfjord (10), g.m. Nils Sjurson.
Torbjørn bought half a smørlaup in Assheim for 60
rdlr. by Hermann Garman in 1658. He owned 9/10 of
farm (2 laupar 18 mrk. butter) in 1661. He left
himself a rich will. There were values for as much as 318 rdrl. as
was to be divided between the heirs.

7. Peder Torbjørnson born approx. 1656 (5a), will. 1732.
G. m. Anna Gudmundsdtr. f. at Aukland (10d),
sk (will/probate). 1726.
Born:

a. Gudmund b. approx. 1698, see below.
b. Siri, Nesvik (6).
c. Johanna b. approx. 1714, Mosnes.
Peder rented the farm from his mother in 1688. In the course of a
thirty year period from 1686 to 1717 he bought 
the parts of the farm that the siblings had inherited from their
parents and thus became sole owner of Assheim.
Peder also owned the farm Tjeltveit at Ombo and used
probably this as a secondary farm under Assheim. Furthermore
did he sit with two third parts in Rosså (a smørlaup)
and a part in Fosså. This part of 10 mrk. butter and

he had bought 1/6 in "Fossaaens Sougebrug". (Sawmill)
from his mother-in-law Johanna Kristensdtr. Bergeland in 1705.
He was doing well financially. 290 dir. net was
there in the will after him.

 

Norda Knutsvik Farm (Where Torbørn Pederson Assheim wrongly is not mentioned)

 

2. Torbjørn is the next who uses the farm from 1603 to 1614. He
was probably the user of the whole farm. Peder below
was his son. Torbjørn died around 1615. The Widow ((unknown name))
after him then continued to use half the farm until 1626.

In 1604 he paid a fine for his son who had "be-
soffuet itt loosest quinde folch». ((bedded a reputed woman))

He escaped with two dir. "for the Schuldt of his poverty". ((for the case of his poverty))

 

3. Peder Torbjørnson took over half the farm after
his father in 1615, when he paid for the first building of a butter-
laup in the farm "Somb his Father for him Friend
ligh Oploed». ((wich his father willingly gave him)). In 1626 he also paid the first building fee
of the other half of the farm, which his mother had
left him. He is named farm uses here until 1649.
He had a son Ola born ca. 1632, which was settled

at Østerhus, Ardal (6) and Kaltveit, Ardal (4). In the year
1631-1633 Peder was Kyrkjeverge = assistant to the parish priest for Hjelmeland
church in team with Erik Tuntland.

 

NB: There was another son not mentioned here in the Parishbook, Ola Pederson living at the Foss farm.

Endret August 20, 2023 av Håvard Hjorteland

[Colin McEvoy]

Thank you @Håvard Hjorteland for all this great information! Just to make sure I understand: you're saying Torbjørn Pederson Assheim was the son of Peder Torbjørnson Knutsvik, who also had two sons name Ole with an unknown wife?

 

Also, out of curiosity, you mentioned there are various court documents about Ola Pedersen running off with his son-in-law's half-sister Ragnhild Torbjornsdatter. Are screenshots or anything of those court documents available anywhere that you know of? Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they were not accessible where I live, but Ola was one of my 6GGFs so I'd be very curious to see more about this...

[Håvard Hjorteland]

Yes, Torbjørn Pederson Assheim was the son of Peder Torbjørnson Knutsvik, who also had two sons name Ole with an unknown wife.

The fist Ole  is mentioned in the Bygdbok N.Knudsvik, later Kaltveit in Årdal. The second Ole is mentioned in Torbjørns probate record in 1682: I think you should hav acces to those links. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20110401640137

After his children is listet: "Present was the childrens father-brother Olle Pedersen paa Foss"

 

May I ask how your ancectors line goes from Ole Pedersen and Siri?

 

Ole inhereted his mother the year befor his escape, 1749. He got over 500 Riksdaler, in both values and land property. His two sisters shared the remaining ca. 250 RD each.

This was a high sum, but I guess he had no use of his papers on land property after escaping. He may have taken with him money thoug, and silver etc?

 

All the records I have found about Ole Pedersens escape is mostly from higer court instances: Stavanger Lagting, and Dansk(Danish Kanslli)

The lowest court was the Skibred Bygdeting, but the protocols for the Hjelmeland area sadly is missing in th 1750's.  If they excisted I'm shure the Hjelmeland BB writer had mentined more obout this case

 

Fist record found regarding this: Stavanger Lagting 9te. of January 1750, lower left side: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rg10511110040116

Ragnhild Torbjørnsdtr. Skiftuns guardian was her uncle Orm Jonsen Hauge, Hjelmeland. He tries to get back the money she inhereted from her father, 27 Riksdaler + intrest. The money was probably "locked-up" because she had been banned from the parish because of illegal child(ren) with the married Ole. If the guardian gets her money back I can not tell fore sure, hard to read some of this.

 

Her is an example from Dansk Kanselli, the higest court August 1753: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/da20120925641862

...a Married man named Ole Pedersen Foss and a womanfolk Ragnild Torbjørnsdatte Schiftun of Hielmeland .... they had for several years been infamous for indicent intercource with eachother, and because of this she had been banished from the parish/congregation. Then in the year 1750 with eachoter had escaped, and since not have been heard of our found, and their Liv forbrudt (Death centenses), and to pay fines after their highest fortune (Property) etc. etc. have not transcribed all this.

 

Another: EA-2884: The Supreme Court 1667-1797 No. 84 /1753
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rg20100429330096

Monday the 30th. April
Procurator Tyrholm versus Delinqven
terne (accused) Ole Pedersen Foss, and Ragnild
Torbiørn's Daughter.

by the Parish Priest's indication, and those there
stated Testimony, there is sufficient evidence
, that Husband Ole Pedersen Foss has
for many years led an outrageous and licentious
lived with Ragnild Torbiørn's Daughter, so
that she has somehow been banished
The parish, after which they both went there
from the place, and traveled to Bergen, however
on the Journey by Bed and Together lived
as married people. And as Ole Pedersen earlyer

has indulged in wanting to leave
here of the Land (out of the Country Norway/Denmark) with her, they and then
have not Weather to inquire or find, all-
then the above Judgment rendered by Law-
tings Judgment by force to stand.

 

AND in 1755 : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/rg20100429330213 

Monday the 16th. June
Procurator Tyrholm as an actor
cons
Deliqventerne Ole Pedersen Foss and
Ragnil Torbiørn's daughter.

At those in this case, the witness led gives
more than ordinance that
Ole Pedersen Foss still has
his real wife alive
however still with the womanfolk Ragnille Torbiørnsdatter
Shiftum has lived an uhonorable life
and annoyingly Levnet, next
at last, however, they ran away
and none, now for the
5th. year has been to find or
inquire, it is also af
the actors were enlightened and well-
giort, that they of the Parish-
Priest, as well as several others
had been warning them to
charge their indignant living together,
which, however, has yielded nothing
for improvement, no less
can the felled Guild above them-
tings Judgment according to the case's
conditions are not approved, where-
against that thge hiemtings (local court)
Judgment is affirmed

 

Stavanger Lagting 11 Januar 1752: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/rg10511110040137 
Has not trancribed this, but some headlines form the top of my head.

Several witnesses from Karmsund/Koppervik attested that Ole Pedersn og Ragnhild was aboard a boat sailing from Kobbervig to Bergen just before Easter 1750.

They said they were married, but the crew must have been suspicious. They probably wanted to find a boat in Bergen to escape abroad with, I will guess to Holland as thousands of other in this periode. They probably did not find a boat in Bergen, and travel with the ship back to Kobbervig where they took in at a aboundan cotter hose called Snig.

The crew witness thay saw them lie together, and asked Ole if they really was married, as they had ben suspicios at the couple. To this Ole obiviously lied, an said yes.

They was last seen on the bout harbor at Kobbervik. They probably managed to escape with a boat, but there is no evidence of this.

 

The probate record after run-away Ole Pedersen Foss in 1757: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/tl20081015090074 (hard to read)

 

There are many more links, but many are similar.

 

Regards,

Håvard

 

 

 

Endret August 24, 2023 av Håvard Hjorteland

[Colin McEvoy]

Thanks for all this information @Håvard Hjorteland! I'm always intrigued to learn more about my Norwegian ancestors, but I often have trouble finding stuff because of my IP address in the United States, as well as the language barrier, so I always appreciate help like this, and this information has been invaluable!

 

Also, you asked about my how I connected to Ola Pedersen and Siri Pedersdotter. This is the connection:

 

Me >> My Father >> grandmother Eleanor Olsen (1917-2001) >> 1GGF Peder Olsen (1864-1940) >> 2GGM Inger Pedersdatter (born 1836) >> 3GGF Peder Bergesen (1801-1848) >> 4GGF Berge Pedersen Helle (1770-1840) >> 5GGF Peder Olsen Nesvik Foss (1722-1782) >> 6GGF Ola Pederseon and 6GGM Siri Pedersdotter

 

This, of course, is assuming I have all those connections correct, but I think I do. I've even found DNA matches on Ancestry that can be traced back to Ola and Siri as common DNA ancestors.

 

My great-grandfather Peder Olsen was the one who emigrated from Norway to America around 1888. I've put most of the info I know about him on Wikitree (including the one and only known photograph of him) if you're interested: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Olsen-13309

 

Here are some Censuses I've from on Digitalarkivet of Peder in his younger days with his parents, Knud Olsen and Inger Pedersdatter. Peder had brothers named Magnus (about whom I know quite a bit), Knud, and Rasmus (about whom I know almost nothing):

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053290010750#

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196000535

 

I've not yet done a ton of research about the other ancestors between Inger and Ola/Siri yet, but I've found some Census records and other sources here and there.

 

Thanks again! 

[Håvard Hjorteland]

Thanks. Then we must be 8th. cousins or something like that after Ole Pederson and Siri Nesvik/Foss, along with probably tens of thousand other people in Norway and America 🙂  I have not done any research regarding their grandson Berge Pedersen Helle (1770-1840) and his decendants. But what you have found seems plausible.

 

regards,

Håvard