Jens Jacobsen (Andreassen) emigrert til Canada

[Torgeir Karlin]

Jeg prøver igjen, for flere år siden hadde jeg et emne her inne om samme person. Fikk en del svar da, men uten å komme noe nærmere hvor Jens ble av i Canada. Fikk han familie der borte, døde han der eller kom han tilbake til Norge. Alle disse spørsmålene er ennå ubesvarte.

Her er lenker til hans emigrasjon: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000568628, https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-quebec-port-1865-1900/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=4648650&

 

Reiste fra Kristiania 23 March 1906 med linje Alb Raffel,skip Salmo til Liverpool. Reiste fra Liverpool 27.03.1906 ankom byen Saint John i provinsen new Brunswick 02.04.1906. Reisemålet er Ottawa i provinsen Ontario. yrke builder, 44 år gift.new Brunswick i Canada 02.04.1906. Skipet het Lake Champlain. Hans destinasjon var hovedstaden Ottawa i provinsen Ontario. yrke builder, 44år, og gift. Han brukte Etternavnet Andreassen når han reiste. Ingen god forklaring på hvorfor dette etternavnet.

Håper på noen flere svar denne gangen.

Mvh Torgeir Karlin

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Endret August 25, 2023 av torgeir karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

This topic in 2021:

 

[Torgeir Karlin]

Det er mitt emne, men søker fortsatt svar. Er veldig rart at det ikke skal vøre mulig å finne noe om han etter han reiste til Canada. Har også søkt etter han i Norske kilder uten å finne spor etter han etter 1906 året han reiste til Canada.

Mvh Torgeir Karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

Okay.  The police list emigration record says he is married. Did he have kids and did they, the wife and kids, come to Canada as well?  Sometimes easier to find many than to find one.

 

Google translate:

Greit. Politiets utvandringsjournal 
sier at han er gift. Hadde han barn og kom de, kona og barna, til Canada også? Noen ganger lettere å finne mange enn å finne en.

[Torgeir Karlin]

Yes, he was married in Norway, but he emigrated alone. His wife and kids stayed in Norway. One son emigrated after his father in 1907 to canada. His name was Johan Alfred Jacobsen. In a census from Oslo in 1923 it says that Jens wife  is a widow, but i can not find him dead in any Norwegian sources.

 

Regards Torgeir Karlin

Endret August 25, 2023 av torgeir karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

This is him in 1865 census:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038020002556

[Jackie K Marler]

The son Johan Alfred Jacobsen police list leaving in 1907, he's going to Ottawa, too.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001091365

 

Did the son go back to Norway and then come back in 1912?  This Johan Adolf Jacobsen aged 24 in 1912 was headed to Bellingham Washington:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-62YH-9S?i=29&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2HLY-9PC

 

Here is the arrival of 1912 Johan and he is going to his brother looks like Ole Jacobson in Bellingham, Washington.  #2 on these pages:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9DS-WZW7?i=574&cc=2185163

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89DS-WZHG?i=573&cc=2185163&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQK3Y-YQ6F

Appears that 1912 Johan's father J Jacobsen is in Norway....

Endret August 26, 2023 av Jackie K Marler
1912 person probably not right one

[Torgeir Karlin]

Here is a picture of Jens. I do not know when this are taken. It.s strange that they  both more or less disappear when they arrive in Canada.

Endret August 25, 2023 av torgeir karlin

[Anton Hagelee]

A possible candidate for Johan. Arrived in 1907 and was born  Feb 1887?

 

John Jacobson

in the 1911 Census of Canada

NameJohn Jacobson

GenderFemale

Marital StatusMarried

Race or TribeNorwegian

NationalityCanadian

Age24

Birth DateFeb 1887

Birth PlaceNorway

Census year1911

Relation to Head of HouseHead

Immigration Year1907

Dwelling No.208

ProvinceOntario

DistrictThunder Bay and Rainy River

District Number123

Sub-District83 - Rainy River

Sub-District Number83

ReligionLutheran

OccupationGrader

Employerno

Employeeno

Own Accountyes

Works atMill yard

Weeks Employed52

Hours/Week60

Earnings720

Can Readyes

Can Writeyes

LanguageE ??

Family Number215

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship

John Jacobson24Head

Mary Jacobson20Wife

Josephine Delacie15Cousin

 

wife Mary and Josephine were both born in Austria.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBQ-27VC

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/9081110:8947?tid=&pid=&queryId=07c75f3706ace067ff934bdd34b6e63c&_phsrc=Svd2&_phstart=successSource

 

Endret August 26, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Jackie K Marler]

#16 J Anderson in some kind of Mimico asylum in Ontario in 1911 b 1863 Norway, no dates for migration, married:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-898W-3QQS?i=551&cc=2143998

 

Here is a small amount of history about the Etobicoke facility, it was for insane, but records very scarce:

https://www.toronto.com/news/mimico-asylums-storied-history-still-fascinates/article_cf0c70a6-0e14-5453-8f67-fc0dd3e14fd1.html?

 

https://tdotcommunity.ca/project/etobicoke-former-asylum-now-humber-college/

 

article about research and the cemetery of the asylum:

https://nationalpost.com/news/lakeshore-psychiatric-hospital-cemetery

 

Sarah McCourt French mentioned in the National Post article is probably # 44 on this page:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998W-3QS7?i=557&cc=2143998

 

Something about immigrants in the Mimico asylum from 1908, but its not online:

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=fonandcol&id=1434858&lang=eng

 

Picture postcard view of Mimico asylum in 1910, Toronto Public Library:

https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/335657/mimico-asylum-lakeside-sanatorium-toronto-canada?ctx=8bf05d73980596c8f5e24dfb3711c1a81c2af6c5&idx=18

Endret August 26, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

Jens' arrival in Canada:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X989-MV1?i=33&cc=1823240&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A2HG1-LYJ

 

This is about the Note on Jens Andreassen arrival in Canada:

"....Many people on the page have a stamp "N. A. T. C. Bonus Allowed". The North Atlantic Trading Company (NATC) was a consortium of booking agents and steamship company officials under contract with the Canadian government to recruit agricultural laborers as immigrants to Canada. The NATC got a bonus (or kickback) for "suitable" immigrants. You may not be able to find records of the NATC or records that mention the individual immigrants, ....."

 

https://genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/19022/emigration-documents-antwerp-1905-ss-montreal-april-1905

[Jackie K Marler]

12 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

A possible candidate for Johan. Arrived in 1907 and was born  Feb 1887?

 

John Jacobson

in the 1911 Census of Canada

NameJohn Jacobson

GenderFemale

Marital StatusMarried

Race or TribeNorwegian

NationalityCanadian

Age24

Birth DateFeb 1887

Birth PlaceNorway

Census year1911

Relation to Head of HouseHead

Immigration Year1907

Dwelling No.208

ProvinceOntario

DistrictThunder Bay and Rainy River

District Number123

Sub-District83 - Rainy River

Sub-District Number83

ReligionLutheran

OccupationGrader

Employerno

Employeeno

Own Accountyes

Works atMill yard

Weeks Employed52

Hours/Week60

Earnings720

Can Readyes

Can Writeyes

LanguageE ??

Family Number215

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship

John Jacobson24Head

Mary Jacobson20Wife

Josephine Delacie15Cousin

 

wife Mary and Josephine were both born in Austria.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBQ-27VC

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/9081110:8947?tid=&pid=&queryId=07c75f3706ace067ff934bdd34b6e63c&_phsrc=Svd2&_phstart=successSource

 

They may have had this child a son named Alvin who is marrying in Washington:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TM3-9VVG?cc=1534448

Unfortunately the father is given a middle initial of S and a Norwegian origin of  Bergen, Norway.

 

John S Jacobson entry to US in 1913:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X2KF-M32

 

Here the family is in US 1930 census:

Endret August 26, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Torgeir Karlin]

Thank you everyone for your good help so fare, regards to records about John i think that is wrong John. Can the picture i posted of Jens be useful. I wonder why it's so diffucult to find anything about Jens and Johan Alfred in Canadien/American censuses. I am pretty shure they did not come back to Norway because i can not find their deaths in Norwegian censuses so far.

Regards Torgeir Karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

27 minutes ago, torgeir karlin said:

Thank you everyone for your good help so fare, regards to records about John i think that is wrong John. Can the picture i posted of Jens be useful. I wonder why it's so diffucult to find anything about Jens and Johan Alfred in Canadien/American censuses. I am pretty shure they did not come back to Norway because i can not find their deaths in Norwegian censuses so far.

Regards Torgeir Karlin

Okay, is there any other features like buildings or other people in the picture you have of Jens?  Any kind of photographer's mark and what's on the back of it?

[Torgeir Karlin]

Unfortunately, it is the only picture I have of Jens. There is also nothing written on the back of the picture other than his name

Since he traveled to Canada at the expense of the Canadian government as I understand it, there should be some sources who have an overview of these people. What happened to them, did they have to find work themselves or were they sent to planned workplaces. Who and how were they received on arrival in Canada. It would be great to find out something about that

Regards Torgeir Karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

Jens' travel was, apparently a result of the work of the North Atlantic Trading Company which had an exclusive contract with the Canadian government to bring qualified immigrants to Canada from 1899-1906.  The contract was cancelled in 1906 due to public scrutiny and controversy about the compensation the company received.  The first quote posted about it above, it sounds like the record keeping was less than you might expect and with limited access, since NATC was actually a private firm.

 

This is a source about the company: Jaroslav Petryshyn, “Canadian immigration and the North Atlantic Trading Company 1899–1906: A controversy
revisited,” Journal of Canadian Studies 32, 3 (1997), pp. 55–76

 

This may be Norwegian advertisement (or Swedish or Danish?) used by NATC

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=fonandcol&id=1434858&lang=eng

Endret August 26, 2023 av Jackie K Marler
additional information about NATC

[Jackie K Marler]

6 hours ago, torgeir karlin said:

Unfortunately, it is the only picture I have of Jens. There is also nothing written on the back of the picture other than his name

Since he traveled to Canada at the expense of the Canadian government as I understand it, there should be some sources who have an overview of these people. What happened to them, did they have to find work themselves or were they sent to planned workplaces. Who and how were they received on arrival in Canada. It would be great to find out something about that

Regards Torgeir Karlin

Okay, how did you happen to get the photo?  Who did it belong to originally?

[Torgeir Karlin]

I got the picture from my mother. She had it from her grandmother(my great grandmother) who was sibling to Jens. It's on my mother's father side.

Regards Torgeir Karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

Thanks for response.  Photos actually make people come off the page--be real, so good to know someone kept his.

 

You mentioned Emilie was listed as a widow in 1923.  I think this is her death registration and she is listed as Fru, not enke in 1929:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004472996

 

Death / burial notice: Aftenposten Friday 26 April 1929 page 9 col 5 again as Fru

 

And #576 is her dodfallsprotokol also as Fru, so perhaps continued use as a form of respect.  4 grown children only two are named daughters., nothing about the others or her husband.

Oslo skifterett, SAO/A-10383/G/Ga/Gac/L0015: Dødsfallsprotokoll, 1928-1930, p. 60
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090518310064

 

Endret August 26, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Torgeir Karlin]

• Here is the census i mentioned from 1923. It says that she is a widow and live toghether with two sons. After her name its an E that means ( Enke) in Norwegian. Widow in english. I think it say fru(mrs) because if you have been married you will always be mrs also if your husband are dead.

 

Ved giftermålet med Jens Andreassen/Jacobsen opplyses det at hun er født i Hobøl i 1865, og det stemmer med Emilie i 1923. Hun har en sønn Gotfred Emanuel, f. 08.10.1900 og en sønn Gunnar Marinius, født 08.01.1905, begge ugift. Emilie er enke i 1923

 

 

 

 

 

 

Søkeresultat fra kommunal folketelling i Kristiania 1.12.1923

Emilie Bernthine Jakobsen	03.09.1865	Haabøl	k		e	Husmor		Bøgaten 13	01	Kampen
Gotfred Emanuel Jakobsen	08.10.1900	Kristiania	m		ug	Hjelpearbeider	H. A. Anderson	Bøgaten 13	01	Kampen
Gunnar Marinius Jakobsen	08.01.1905	Kristiania	m		ug	Hjelpearbeider	Bjanæs & Heierdhal	Bøgaten 13	01	Kampen

Endret August 26, 2023 av torgeir karlin

[Jackie K Marler]

Well, I think I've exhausted the resources I have access to.  I checked for newspapers from Ottawa & Toronto but found no site that had dates from 1906-1920.  There is the possible for Jens in the 1911 census but none really workable for Johan Alfred in the 1911 other than the one Anton found.  Found no possibilities for them in the 1921 Canadian census either.  It's far later but the 1931 Canadian census will be released fairly soon.  Maybe a look in Ancestry might find something else ( I don't subscribe.) with their "suggested records."  Otherwise, as unpleasant as it might be, a good look for  J Anderson at the Mimico Insane Asylum might be the best play.  Maybe Jens got in a jam or just decided to ask his son to come and then something happened and Johan died and it "undid" the old man and he ended up in the asylum.  It's not really appreciated how mentally stressful it is to completely pull up stakes and go to a place where they don't speak your language or carry the same culture as you all by yourself.  I think I read that the rates of schizophrenia amongst Norwegian immigrants here were 3 to 4 times the rates in the population in Norway.  Anyway, lykke til

 

Google translate:

Vel, jeg tror jeg har brukt opp ressursene jeg har tilgang til. Jeg så etter aviser fra Ottawa og Toronto, men fant ingen side som hadde 
datoer fra 1906-1920. Det er mulig for Jens i folketellingen i 1911, men ingen virkelig gjennomførbar for Johan Alfred i 1911 annet enn den 
Anton fant. Fant heller ingen muligheter for dem i den kanadiske folketellingen fra 1921. Det er langt senere, men den kanadiske folketellingen 
fra 1931 vil bli utgitt ganske snart. Kanskje en titt i Ancestry kan finne noe annet (jeg abonnerer ikke.) med deres "foreslåtte poster." Ellers
, så ubehagelig som det kan være, kan et godt blikk for J Anderson på Mimico Insane Asylum være det beste spillet. Kanskje Jens havnet i en 
syltetøy eller bare bestemte seg for å be sønnen komme og så skjedde det noe og Johan døde og det "opprettet" gubben og han havnet på asyl. 
Det er egentlig ikke verdsatt hvor mentalt stressende det er å dra helt opp innsatsen og gå til et sted hvor de ikke snakker språket ditt 
eller bærer den samme kulturen som deg helt alene. Jeg tror jeg leste at andelen schizofreni blant norske innvandrere her var 3 til 4 ganger 
høyere enn forekomsten av befolkningen i Norge. Uansett, lykke til

[Torgeir Karlin]

Thanks for your good help. Looks like I'll have to settle for the fact that I won't be able to find out what happened to Jens and his son John(Johan). That's how it is sometimes. But suddenly, perhaps, a clue appears that makes all the pieces fall into place

Regards Torgeir Karlin

[Anton Hagelee]

On 8/26/2023 at 7:27 AM, Jackie K Marler said:

Unfortunately the father is given a middle initial of S and a Norwegian origin of  Bergen, Norway.

 

Probably John S Jacobson in this Ancestry Family Tree.  So John Jacobson of Thunder Bay and Rainy River is not the right Johan Jacobsen.

 

John S. Jacobson

1887–1980

BIRTH 1887 • Ormeteige, Selje, Sogn og Fjordane, Norway

DEATH 1980 • Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, Idaho, USA

 

Marie C

1892–1986

BIRTH 1892 • Austria

DEATH 1986 • Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, Idaho, USA

 

Alvin J Jacobson

1911–1998

BIRTH 1911-JUN-24 • Canada

DEATH 1998-JUL-03 • Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA

 

Family of John S in 1900 in Selje

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037362001045

 

 

Endret August 27, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Jackie K Marler]

Yes thanks for more checking Anton.  I'm wondering if the indexing  and/or the Ontario death records are better in Ancestry than the same data at farmilysearch?

Without finding traces of the two men in the 1921 Canada census, and the wife reporting herself as a widow in 1923, and Johan likely not living in the count of the adult children when Ellen dies in 1929, points to prior demise of each man.

[Anton Hagelee]

29 minutes ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Yes thanks for more checking Anton.  I'm wondering if the indexing  and/or the Ontario death records are better in Ancestry than the same data at farmilysearch?

 

Fra Ancestry

 

Ontario, Canada, Deaths and Deaths Overseas, 1869-1948

This database is an index to over 2 million deaths that were registered in Ontario, Canada, from 1869 to 1948. 

 

Seems as if there should be some decent candidates, but searching  Joh* Ja* died 1915 +/- 10  only turns up 25 people, all from Toronto and no good candidates with a birth date any where near 1887. 

 

I would say this data base for anyone not dying in Toronto is not very useful.