Can anyone help?

[Anton Hagelee]

3 hours ago, Robert Anderson said:

Anton, from everything I’ve learned, Seymore was the only child of Henry and Ellen Anderson. 

 

Robert, have you found the 1860 record for Seymore? The closest I have come is this record. Last name is obviously wrong but Lapeer county is next to Sanilac county? Last name could be Hansen. 

 

Seymour Hance

in the 1860 United States Federal Census

NameSeymour HanceAge16Birth Yearabt 1844GenderMaleRaceWhiteBirth PlaceNorwayHome in 1860Metamora, Lapeer, MichiganPost OfficeMetamoraDwelling Number1532Family Number1436OccupationLaborerAttended SchoolY

Household Members (Name)Age

Nathan Park29

Mary Park25

William Park7

Mary A Park2

Nelson Dewey10

Seymour Hance 16

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/45077423:7667?tid=&pid=&queryId=61ec68cf61cfcdcd068a1b111fc766e8&_phsrc=SHc2&_phstart=successSource

 

Seymore would be known in Norway as Seymore Hansen ie son of Hans. It is possible that he also used that name in the 1860 Census and then changed over to; the American tradition of last name same as last name of your father. Not an unusual occurrence at all. 

 

 

 

Endret September 4, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Jostein Stokke]

Hans Arnesen and Eli Syversdatter - to America in 1853 with children

Andreas 1842 - Syver 1845 - Martin 1852 and Hans' daughter Maren 1838

 

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1847-1855, s. 465
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320682

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

This is the death record transcribed of supposed brother of Seymour  Andreas:

Name	Andrew Anderson
Sex	Male
Age	84
Marital Status	Married
Father's Name	Henry Anderson
Event Type	Death
Event Date	24 Feb 1925
Event Place	Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Birth Date	24 Nov 1840
Birthplace	Christina, Norway
Birth Year (Estimated)	1841

 

Andrew Anderson's Parents and Siblings

 

Henry Anderson

Father

M

 

The birthdate from Norwegian records 24 June 1840 Eidskog vs 24 Nov 1840 Christina (prob Christiania)

[Robert Anderson]

Jackie, according to what I have been able to find out so far, Seymore was an only child. Had no siblings

[Dag T. Hoelseth]

Robert: If we have found the right family, then I think- based on the sources presented in this thread -that we can conclude that Syver had the half-sister Maria and the full siblings Maria, Andreas (d. 1925) and Martin (died young).

 

DTH

[Robert Anderson]

Dag, I’m not sure if it’s the right family or not. I’m so confused. Is it common for families to change their first names when emigrating from Norway? The names I have based on information from ancestry.com are Henry, Ellen, and Seymore. The names in a lot of the data provided here are completely different. 

[Jostein Stokke]

21 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

The names I have based on information from ancestry.com are Henry, Ellen, and Seymore

It is indeed quite common to change their names. These emigrated to Amerika in 1853

Hans Arneson   born 1814        Hans / Henry why not     Arneson / Anderson  why not

Eli Syversdatter   born 1817     Eli / Ellen  why not

Andreas Hanson   born 1842   - the children would use the same last name as their parents in USA    Andreas / Andrew most common change

Syver Hanson    born 1845  - Seymore is not used in Norway - Syver/Seymore plausible

Martin Hanson   born 1852     no need to change that name

Maren - Hansdatter    born 1838

We find all these - except Maren - in the 1860 census provided by Jackie. She would be 22 at the time -

[Jostein Stokke]

2 hours ago, Dag T. Hoelseth said:

and Martin (died young).

Do we know that?

 

The first child was Andreas - died 19 Sept 1840 - 8 days of age - #136

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1839-1847, s. 369
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603190316

 

The second child was Martin - died 14 Dec 1841 - 12 days of age - #132

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1839-1847, s. 380
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603190327

 

 

[Jostein Stokke]

The bygdebok claims that they also had a daughter Maria at emigration - born 16 June 1849 - here #158

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1847-1855, s. 51
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320306

 

What do we know about her?

 

[Dag T. Hoelseth]

19 minutter siden, Jostein Stokke skrev:

Do we know that?

 

The first child was Andreas - died 19 Sept 1840 - 8 days of age - #136

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1839-1847, s. 369
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603190316

 

The second child was Martin - died 14 Dec 1841 - 12 days of age - #132

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0008: Ministerialbok nr. 8, 1839-1847, s. 380
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603190327

 

 

No, I only referred (indirectly) to what the bygdebok said. It might not be accurate.

 

DTH

[Jackie K Marler]

11 hours ago, Robert Anderson said:

Jackie, according to what I have been able to find out so far, Seymore was an only child. Had no siblings

Okay, I see below that you are confused about name change.  As Jostein has remarked Seymour is not used much in Norway.  I just checked by searching at the Digitalarkivet and there are only 10 instances of the use of Seymour.  Mostly dating to the 1890s and later and mostly used by people with American or British connections at birth.  The classic Norwegian name consists of 3 parts 1) the name you are given at baptism, first name   2) the patronymic name derived from your father's given with son or daughter added to it depending on your gender.  3) farm name, essentially an address 

 

When the Norwegians got here the American naming system was not like the Norwegian naming system.  We do get a first or given name but our surname is inherited from our father. So the migrants are trying to find a way to fit into the American scheme of things.  The name you carry is your own or you find your own solutions.  In some families every person adopted a different surname which obscures the relationship.  

 

Here is the 1900 census of Seymour.  It says that he came in 1850 has spent 50 years in US and is a naturalized citizen.  Naturalization is a process that produces records.  He could have filed on his own but if his father Henry Anderson took a US Federal homestead, original entry, his father may have started the naturalization process.  The declaration of intention is all that is required under the law enacted in 1862.  The Henry Anderson land purchase from the Federal government in 1859 was a cash sale.  But you can follow the after sale of the land in the Sanilac courthouse.  So either his father filed or Seymour filed, in either case you should be able to find the records.  If you look at the land records such as Hans purchased and sold as Hans or Henry you might figure out the relationship.  Same with Seymour's purchase. 

 

This below is Section 21 of 11 N 12 E of Marlette township.  S Anderson is the owner in 1876 (when the map was published) of the W1/2 of  NW1/4, the legal description of the land Henry Anderson purchased in 1859.  Note the cemetery next to D McLeish on the map probably McLeish Cemetery where Henry and Ellen are buried.

 

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g4113s.la000358/?r=0.115,0.545,0.134,0.083,0

 

 

1) There is no Henry Anderson found in Marlette Twp, Sanilac county Michigan in the 1860 census.  The only Anderson of such an age to be the parent of someone born in 1845 in the 1860 census is Hans (or as transcribed Haris) Anderson.

 

2) LaPeer county is very near Marlette twp, Sanilac county, Michigan.  In fact on Hans listing in 1860 the post office to be used by the census for Marlette is Allison or Almont in LaPeer county.

 

3) Eva Anderson Moffatt b 1870 with whom Seymour lived in 1920 census, says her father was born in Norway in each of three censuses 1910, 1920, 1930.

 

 

Endret September 5, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Robert Anderson]

Jackie, just wow! I had no clue it could be so complicated. That so far is the best explanation of the process I have heard so far. My family was absolutely terrible about preserving records. On my moms side I have been able to trace back all the way to the 1500’s so far. My dads side has been incredibly challenging thus far and Ancestry. Com has not been near as helpful as I had hoped it would be. For years, I was told that our lineage on my fathers side was Scottish and English, now that I have done my own research, I learn that we in fact originated from Norway. I am beyond a shadow of a doubt an amateur at all this and now it’s a bit overwhelming. 

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is the patent for Henry Anderson's land from the Bureau of Land Management, Government Records survey.  Says Henry was from LaPeer county Michigan, the same county the likeliest candidate for Seymour in 1860 is found:

[Robert Anderson]

That would seem to fit with the limited info I have. I have been unable to locate any death records for Henry or his wife Ellen. I know Seymore died in 1926 and even have a photo of his headstone. 

[Jostein Stokke]

1 hour ago, Jostein Stokke said:

The bygdebok claims that they also had a daughter Maria at emigration - born 16 June 1849 - here #158

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1847-1855, s. 51
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320306

 

What do we know about her?

She died here - # 140 - 13 August 1852 - 3 years old

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1847-1855, s. 423
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320648

 

 

 

Endret September 5, 2023 av Jostein Stokke

[Jackie K Marler]

45 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

That would seem to fit with the limited info I have. I have been unable to locate any death records for Henry or his wife Ellen. I know Seymore died in 1926 and even have a photo of his headstone. 

What is wrong with this fellow?

[Robert Anderson]

The only Kenny Anderson I know of in my family was my dads brother but he lived and died long after 1889. 

[Robert Anderson]

[Robert Anderson]

[Robert Anderson]

This is what I have pieced together so far in my research 

[Anne Tonby]

Ellen Anderson died 1885

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q249-VN4M

 

Henry Anderson died 1882

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3JV-957

[Robert Anderson]

Thank you for this info. I don’t have access to this genealogy site though. 

[Werner Kvalem Vesterås]

1 time siden, Robert Anderson skrev:

Thank you for this info. I don’t have access to this genealogy site though. 

Familysearch is free to use.

[Robert Anderson]

Werner, thank you, I wasn’t aware of that. 

[Robert Anderson]

Interesting to note that the record indicates that Henry and Ellen died in 1882 and 1885 respectively and the record indicates Mcleish Cemetery as the burial site but the cemetery wasn’t established until 1899.