Can anyone help?

[Robert Anderson]

Yea see, there’s my problem so far, I haven’t seen where those to names connect to Henry and Ellen. 

[Robert Anderson]

Agreed and the information I found said that’s when the family emigrated from Norway. 

[Robert Anderson]

[Jackie K Marler]

16 minutes ago, Jostein Stokke said:

I think he is here somewhere....

 

But he was born 17 Aug 1852 and bapt 19 Sept .  #239

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Ministerialbok nr. 9, 1847-1855, s. 144
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320399

 

 

 

My program RootsMagic 7 calculates the birthdate of the unknown Anderson  as 24 Aug 1852, pretty close.  Anderson is of course a very common name in America.  So this ends up being something to file, close but no cigar!

[Matthias Kolberg]

On 9/4/2023 at 9:29 PM, Matthias Kolberg said:

Hans Arnesen Kapstad, Hustru (Wife) Eli Syversdatter, Søn Andreas, Søn Syver, Søn Martin and ”Mandens uægte Dtr” (the husband’s illegitimate daughter) Maren

 

#40-45, right column

 

left Eidskog for America May 10, 1853

 

Vinger prestekontor, SAH/PREST-024/H/Ha/Haa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1847-1855, p. 465
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070124320682
 

 

Hans, Eli, Andreas, Syver, Martin and Maren left May 10, 1853.

 

Information that they had lived 50 years in the US in 1900 is most likely an approximation.

[Robert Anderson]

Matthias, how do we know that this is actually Henry, Ellen and Seymore? Have you found something that makes that connection? I am genuinely curious. 

[Jackie K Marler]

Another invisible thread this also from the Sanilac plat map 1876 of Marlette Township 1876:

In the case of this property in Marlette twp Twp 11, Range 12 section 17 here is an index listing showing an Andrew Anderson selling or transferring to Henry Anderson:

and vs

 

and a Henry Anderson has a will listed in the deed records (there are at least 2 Henry Anderson in Sanilac county --the post on page one with the two having gotten land from the US  Federal gov't, so not sure who this one is but....):

and its in the index twice (as the other transaction was)

Unfortunately looking at the will that is actually in Deed Book 9, page 597 is the other Henry Anderson, not target

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Robert Anderson]

Jackie, that’s really interesting. I know the government land sale record was for 80 acres. 
This family that some believe is Henry and Ellen, Hans, I can’t find any Ellis island records for may or June 1853 with those names on it

[Matthias Kolberg]

3 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Jackie, that’s really interesting. I know the government land sale record was for 80 acres. 
This family that some believe is Henry and Ellen, Hans, I can’t find any Ellis island records for may or June 1853 with those names on it

Most ships from Norway in 1853 sailed to Quebec, according to this overview

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1853

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

Now here is the first I've seen involving Seymour Anderson, here as grantee in this transaction:

 

 

Ellis Island didn't exist as a landing point until 1892.  Arrivals at New York before then were at a place called Castle Garden.  Ellis Island lives in our minds but most Norwegians after 1850 came through other ports and mostly Canada.

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler
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[Robert Anderson]

Funny how under S Anderson, the parcel is only 40 acres. Maybe sold half the lot to the Bernister fellow. 
Honestly, was not aware of the info about Ellis Island. I know a lot of immigrants came into New York during the civil war era. 

[Jackie K Marler]

So if you have registered at familysearch.org you can look at the deed records indexes and collect the entries.  (I've only gone through Index 3 and posted those I thought might be of interest.)  You search in the catalog on the drop down at familysearch.org and input Sanilac county Michigan and it will populate with a list of record types.

 

The will of the Henry Anderson mentioned before who is not your Henry,  was written in 1866 and was filed for probate in 1868.  In it he mentions his sons John Anderson and Isaac Anderson.  I suppose that most people's wealth is in their land and it would be of interest for clarity's sake that it be recorded in the Deed book, but was a bit of a surprize to me.  Hopefully your Henry had enough well to leave behind when he shuffles off his mortal coil.

 

My understanding is these records are not indexed or searchable on the site but can only be found by browsing.

[Jackie K Marler]

22 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Funny how under S Anderson, the parcel is only 40 acres. Maybe sold half the lot to the Bernister fellow. 
Honestly, was not aware of the info about Ellis Island. I know a lot of immigrants came into New York during the civil war era. 

The piece is actually smaller than 40 acres, 36.57.  This happens in the system of measuring land because of the curvature of the earth.  Other things which affect parcel size are geographical features like rivers, lakes etc.

[Robert Anderson]

Ok, would this parcel be separate from the 80acres that Henry bought? I did notice the parcel numbers were different 

[Jackie K Marler]

Indeed why should you be interested in Martin, here's why.

Here  are a couple of Anderson entries to and from each other Grantors on left, Grantees on right Deed Index 4:

 

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

5 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Ok, would this parcel be separate from the 80acres that Henry bought? I did notice the parcel numbers were different 

Each section is a mile on the side.  So they are all definitely in the same neighborhood.  Take a look at the link provided with the first image of Section 21 to see how the sections line up.

[Robert Anderson]

Hmm that’s interesting. This rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. I guess I discounted siblings for Seymore as I thought if the ancestry database came up with him automatically it would have come up with siblings as well. Being new to genealogy research, I could be terribly wrong

[Jackie K Marler]

This Martin as grantor in 1873 to Seymour:

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

7 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Hmm that’s interesting. This rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. I guess I discounted siblings for Seymore as I thought if the ancestry database came up with him automatically it would have come up with siblings as well. Being new to genealogy research, I could be terribly wrong

I laugh when people tell they're done with their family history!  You are never done.

[Jackie K Marler]

10 minutes ago, Robert Anderson said:

Hmm that’s interesting. This rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. I guess I discounted siblings for Seymore as I thought if the ancestry database came up with him automatically it would have come up with siblings as well. Being new to genealogy research, I could be terribly wrong

Ancestry has some excellent tools and lots of good algorithms but still cannot beat a human with curiosity.

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Robert Anderson]

I’m rapidly getting that impression. Lol 

I have wanted to do this for years and I spent a lot of time chasing inaccurate information about being of Scottish decent. 

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is an interesting transaction on 18 Nov 1882 Henry and Ellen sell the Section 17 property to Andrew Anderson, volume 43, nice if you can get it after the old man dies????

Endret September 6, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Robert Anderson]

Wow, this Andrew Anderson is a bit of a mystery. 

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is a transaction recorded in 1877 of Seymour Anderson and wife selling to Henry Anderson of the cash sale homestead property of Henry in 1874 .  Martin Anderson is one of the witnesses of the transfer on the lower half of the page, this is Volume 25 of Deed records:

 

[Robert Anderson]

So, son sold to father?? But hadn’t Henry already bought through a US government land sale? So confused. Lol