Garver Tønnes Michaelsen og hans familie dro fra Stavanger til USA rundt 1882 . Hvordan gikk det med dem der?

[Bente Borgen]

Jeg er veldig lite flink til å lete i kilder i utlandet - derfor henvender jeg meg til dere som kan dette bedre enn meg. Håper dere kan hjelpe 🙂

Tønnes Michaelsen ble født i Stavanger 26.09.1846, døpt i Domkirken 4. oktober.

Hans far var garvermester Peder Michaelsen f. 1812 i Stavanger, døpt 16.08.1812.

Hans mor var Berthe Gurine Rasmusdatter Reime,  f. 1820 på Nærbø.

Hans farfar var skomakermester og garver.

Under folketellingen i Chicago i 1900 er han innført som gift (men ingen kone i husholdningen) og datteren Marie Mathilde er ugift og bor sammen med ham,

 

Tønnes var barn nr 4 i en søskenflokk på åtte og var oppvokst i Øvre Strandgate 75 i Stavanger.

Han gifter seg med Olava Caroline Amalia Løken, f. 08.04.1845 i Moss. De giftet seg 08.04.1874 i Stavanger og får disse barna der:

- Peder Bernhard f. 05.05.1875, dpt i DK 30.05. Han er i utlandet i mange år, kommer tilbake og dør i Stavanger i 1944.

- Berthe  01.05.1878 - 13.12.1878

- Marie Mathilde f. 03.08.1878. dpt i DK 13.08.1878 - død i USA etter 1900

- Gustav f. 21.11.1879, dpt i DK. 07.12.1879

- Berthe f. 03.09.1871, dpt i DK 30.09.1871

 

Jeg har ikke funnet emigrasjonspapirene, ei heller noe om barna, med unntak av Marie i folketellingen av 1900.

Jeg lurer på hvor det ble av dem, ble barna gift og fikk egen barn osv.

Setter umåtelig pris på all hjelp 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

Name	Tonnes Michaelsen
Sex	Male
Age	77
Address	2134 Point St
Burial Date	31 Jan 1924
Birth Date	26 Sep 1846
Birthplace	Stavanger, Norway
Marital Status	Married
Occupation	Painter
Race	White
Father's Name	Peter Michaelsen
Mother's Name	Bertha
Spouse's Name	Olava Michaelsen
Spouse's Sex	Female
Informant's Name	Marie Michaelsen
Event Type	Death
Event Date	28 Jan 1924
Event Place	Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States
Event Place (Original)	Chicago
Entry Number	2726
Cemetery	Mount Olive     "Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLYR-T53N : 17 March 2018), Tonnes Michaelsen, 28 Jan 1924; citing Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States, source reference , record number , Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm .

[Jackie K Marler]

And maybe more children:

Name	Gulbrand L. Mikalson
Sex	Male
Sex	M
Ethnicity	American
Race	White
Race	White
Race	White
Race (Original)	White
Birth Date	19 Mar 1889
Birth Date	19 Mar 1889
Birthplace	Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
Father's Name	Tones Mikalson
Father's Birthplace	Nor
Father's Age	42
Mother's Name	Olava K. Loken
Mother's Birthplace	Nor"Illinois, Cook County Birth Registers, 1871-1915," , FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7W3-14K : 10 March 2018), Tones Mikalson in entry for Gulbrand L. Mikalson, 19 Mar 1889; citing v 19 p 154, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm 1,287,733.

[Jackie K Marler]

Name	Olava L Michaelson
Sex	Female
Age	79
Residence Place	Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Address	2143 Point St
Burial Date	20 Aug 1924
Birth Date	08 Jul 1845
Birthplace	Stavanger, Norway
Marital Status	Widowed
Occupation	Housewife
Race	White
Father's Name	Gulbran Loken
Spouse's Name	Tones Michaelson
Informant's Name	Marie Michaelson
Event Type	Death
Event Date	17 Aug 1924
Event Place	Cook, Illinois, United States
Entry Number	21067
Cemetery	Mt Olivet"Illinois, Cook County Deaths, 1871-1998," , FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL4R-TRZJ : 17 March 2018), Tones Michaelson in entry for Olava L Michaelson, 17 Aug 1924; citing Cook, Illinois, United States, source reference , record number , Cook County Courthouse, Chicago; FHL microfilm .

[Jackie K Marler]

#453-458:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-5BF6-7?i=912&cc=1849782&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A27T7-55R

 

 

Name	Olava Michaelsen
Sex	Female
Age	36
Birth Year (Estimated)	1846
Birthplace	Norway
Nationality	Norway
Event Type	Immigration
Event Date	1882
Event Place	New York County, New York, United States
Event Place (Original)	New York City, New York, United States
Affiliate Film Number	454
Affiliate Publication Number	M237
Affiliate Publication Title	Passenger Lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897
Ship Name	Anchoria

[Jackie K Marler]

Possible for son Peter, in 1910 census Marshall county, Minnesota, also Tonnes living with him:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2LY-XKX

 

Peter Michaelson in 1920 census Marshall county Minnesota:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWBC-921

 

Peter Michaelson in 1930 census Chicago, Cook, Illinois:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSPW-8TK

 

Peter Michaelson in 1940 census Chicago:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KW12-DV7

 

How certain are you that Peter came home to die in 1944?

 

Peter Michaelson in 1950 in Chicago:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6X1V-MYGH

 

 

[Bente Borgen]

Wow! Tusen takk Jackie! 

 

I have the obituary for Peder when he dies in Stavangerin 1944:

 

Nekrolog i Stavanger Avis 25.01.1944:

"GARVER PEDER MICHAELSEN DØD

Forhenværende garver Peder Michelsen er død på Stavanger Aldershjem, og med ham er en av byens gode, gamle garvere gått bort.
Hans far var den kjente garver som bygde garveriet på Stranden, Aktiegarveriet, ved siden av det gamle Sjømannshjemmet, og som no forlengst er nedlagt.
Peder Michaelsen gikk til sjøs som ung og fartet viden om , og kom så heim og begynte i farens garveri. Da dette ble solgt og lagt ned, tok han til å arbeide på forskjellige garverier i byen. 

Hans venner husker ham som en bra og velmenende mann med godt humør, en koselig og gild kar som hadde mangt  å fortelle fra gammel tid."

 

Do you know if there are any living descendants?

I am trying to write an article about the familiy in Stavanger.

 

[Jackie K Marler]

Marie Michaelson in 1910 census Chicago living with bro-in-law Sigwald Johnson, sister Bertha Johnson, nephew and mother:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK82-PMW

 

Information a bit scarce but a possible Marie in Findagrave:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216371325/marie-m-michaelsen

 

From Chicago Daily News, page 15 col 6

Endret November 30, 2023 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is a little history from Findagrave on Tonnes:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125175817/garver-tonnes-michaelsen

[Jackie K Marler]

Death certificate of son Gulbran aka Gilbert available from Washington state: https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/654BB5F0BA23ABDCCCBA7C667390FC1D

First Name:	Gilbert L
Last Name:	Michaelson
Date Of Death:	7 Apr 1945
Age:	56
Gender:	Male
Father Name:	Thones Michaelson
Mother Name:	Olive Loken
Batch Id:	277560
Batch Locality:	Washington, United States
Death Place:	Seattle, King, Washington
Mother Name Gn:	Olive
Mother Name Surname:	Loken
Spouse Name:	Anna

[Jackie K Marler]

Obit of Gilbert Michaelson, Peter is listed as a survivor in Chicago:  Seattle Daily Times, Monday 9 April 1945 page 12 col 5

"Gilbert L Michaelson

Funeral services for Gilbert L Michaelson, 55 years old, 9455 11th Avenue S.W., a Seattle resident for 12 years, who was a sheet metal worker before he became ill four years ago, will be held at 2 o'clock tomorrow in the  Georgetown funera sic home.  Burial will be in Riverton Crest.  The Rev. B.T. Gabrielson will officiate.

 

Born in Chicago, Mr. Michaelson came to Seattle in 1932 from Marshall county, Minnesota.  He died Saturday after being in a hospital for four years.

 

Surviving are his widow, Anna; two daughters, Mrs. Lillian Graden and Miss Gladys Michaelson; two sons Richard Michaelson, Minneapolis and Gus Michaelson, Seattle; two sisters Mrs. Bertha Johnson and Miss Marie Michaelson and a brother Peter Michaelson, all in Chicago."

[Jackie K Marler]

1 hour ago, Bente Borgen said:

Wow! Tusen takk Jackie! 

 

I have the obituary for Peder when he dies in Stavangerin 1944:

 

Nekrolog i Stavanger Avis 25.01.1944:

"GARVER PEDER MICHAELSEN DØD

Forhenværende garver Peder Michelsen er død på Stavanger Aldershjem, og med ham er en av byens gode, gamle garvere gått bort.
Hans far var den kjente garver som bygde garveriet på Stranden, Aktiegarveriet, ved siden av det gamle Sjømannshjemmet, og som no forlengst er nedlagt.
Peder Michaelsen gikk til sjøs som ung og fartet viden om , og kom så heim og begynte i farens garveri. Da dette ble solgt og lagt ned, tok han til å arbeide på forskjellige garverier i byen. 

Hans venner husker ham som en bra og velmenende mann med godt humør, en koselig og gild kar som hadde mangt  å fortelle fra gammel tid."

 

Do you know if there are any living descendants?

I am trying to write an article about the familiy in Stavanger.

 

 

 

Dueling obituaries!

 

Chicago Daily Times, Monday 30 Jan 1956, page 29 col 1

"MICHAELSON--Peter Michaelson, Jan. 29, 1956, beloved husband of the late Delia, dear father of Esther Lind, Norman, Alma, Ruth Huizinga, seven grandchildren, brother of Marie Michaelson and Bertha Johnson.  Services Tuesday 2 p.m. at funeral chapel, 4338 Fullerton Av., Interment Mt. Olive.  BElmont 5-1610"

 

Likely this Peter has living descendants. 

 

Are you sure that the Tonnes Michaelson family in US is related to the family you're writing about ?

 

 

[Bente Borgen]

59 minutter siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

Obit of Gilbert Michaelson, Peter is listed as a survivor in Chicago:  Seattle Daily Times, Monday 9 April 1945 page 12 col 5

"Gilbert L Michaelson

Funeral services for Gilbert L Michaelson, 55 years old, 9455 11th Avenue S.W., a Seattle resident for 12 years, who was a sheet metal worker before he became ill four years ago, will be held at 2 o'clock tomorrow in the  Georgetown funera sic home.  Burial will be in Riverton Crest.  The Rev. B.T. Gabrielson will officiate.

 

Born in Chicago, Mr. Michaelson came to Seattle in 1932 from Marshall county, Minnesota.  He died Saturday after being in a hospital for four years.

 

Surviving are his widow, Anna; two daughters, Mrs. Lillian Graden and Miss Gladys Michaelson; two sons Richard Michaelson, Minneapolis and Gus Michaelson, Seattle; two sisters Mrs. Bertha Johnson and Miss Marie Michaelson and a brother Peter Michaelson, all in Chicago."

 

I am sorry, this is not the right Tønnes.

[Jackie K Marler]

Ahhh.  Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you!🙂  There appear to be other Tonnes Michaelson in US....

[Anton Hagelee]

12 hours ago, Bente Borgen said:

Jeg har ikke funnet emigrasjonspapirene, ei heller noe om barna, med unntak av Marie i folketellingen av 1900.

 

Ankomst av Tonnes (navnet er Tonnes ikke Johnes) og familie i 1882.  Nrl 453 -458..

 

Johnes Michaelsen

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameJohnes Michaelsen

GenderMale

Ethnicity/ NationalityNorwegian

Age35

Birth Dateabt 1847

Place of OriginNorway

Departure PortGlasgow, Scotland

DestinationUSA

Arrival Date12 Jul 1882

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Ship NameAnchoria

 

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/12136171:7488?tid=&pid=&queryId=a6b43724cab8cf17c7494c1a50e8296a&_phsrc=CaG2&_phstart=successSource

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

7 hours ago, Bente Borgen said:

I am sorry, this is not the right Tønnes.

  ??

 

30 minutes ago, Jackie K Marler said:

hhh.  Some days you get the bear and some days the bear gets you!🙂  There appear to be other Tonnes Michaelson in US....

 

Kanskje jeg ikke forstår problemet her?  Men Tonnes og Olava hadde et barn i Chicago, og det er sannsynligvis  hans obit?

 

Gulbrand L Mikalson

in the Cook County, Illinois, U.S., Birth Certificates Index, 1871-1922\

NameGulbrand L Mikalson

Birth Date19 Mar 1889

Birth PlaceChicago, Cook, Illinois

EthnicityAmerican

GenderMale

RaceWhite

FatherTones Mikalson

MotherOlava K Loken

FHL Film Number1287733

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1869964:2545?ssrc=pt&tid=167514503&pid=152186738286

 

 

 

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

15 minutes ago, Anton Hagelee said:

  ??

 

 

Kanskje jeg ikke forstår problemet her?  Men Tonnes og Olava hadde et barn i Chicago, og det er sannsynligvis  hans obit?

 

Gulbrand L Mikalson

in the Cook County, Illinois, U.S., Birth Certificates Index, 1871-1922\

NameGulbrand L Mikalson

Birth Date19 Mar 1889

Birth PlaceChicago, Cook, Illinois

EthnicityAmerican

GenderMale

RaceWhite

FatherTones Mikalson

MotherOlava K Loken

FHL Film Number1287733

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1869964:2545?ssrc=pt&tid=167514503&pid=152186738286

 

 

 

 

 

This family in US is definitely the same family as described initially.  While I can't speak for the poster, I think what may have happened is that Peder whose obit / death notice she mentions having found in 1944 is the actual family she seeks and that the Tonnes Michaelson family found in US, because the Peter in the family lives after 1944, can't be the family about whom she is writing.  So all this info rules out a possible candidate family. 

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, Jackie K Marler said:

I think what may have happened is that Peder whose obit / death notice she mentions having found in 1944 is the actual family she seeks and that the Tonnes Michaelson family found in US, because the Peter in the family lives after 1944, can't be the family about whom she is writing.  So all this info rules out a possible candidate family. 

 

Ah, yes, I get it now. So the Peder who arrived with Tønnes and family that came to New York in 1882 is not the Peder who died in Stavanger in 1944. 

 

Yes that is likely true, since the Peder who arrived in 1882 died 1956.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/180620001:60525

 

Not the same Peder but maybe from the same family.  The right Tønnes but the wrong Pedrer?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Perhaps this is the man in the obit she is looking for. 

 

Peder Michalsen

in the Norway, Death Registers, 1928-1941

NamePeder Michalsen

GenderMannlig (Male)

Marital StatusUgift (Single)

Age89

Birth Date18. jul 1854 (18 Jul 1854)

ResidenceStavanger

Death Date21. jan 1944 (21 Jan 1944)

Burial PlaceStavanger, Rogaland, Norway

Line Number22

 

This Peder is likely the brother of Tønnes and was living with the family in the 1875 Norwegian Census. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052234003746

 

 

 

 

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

The whole family in the 1865 Norwegian Census. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196003609

 

Peder was a popular name in this family. 

 

So the Peder Michalsen who died in 1944 in Stavanger was the brother of the Tønnes Michaelsen  who emigrated in 1882 and thus the uncle of the Peter B Michaelson  who died in 1956 in Chicago Illinois. 

 

 

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

For ordens skyld.

 

Peder Pedersen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NamePeder Pedersen

GenderMale

Birth Date18. jul 1854 (18 Jul 1854)

Baptism Date30. jul 1854 (30 Jul 1854)

Baptism PlaceStavanger, Rogaland, Norway

FatherPeder Michaelsen

MotherBirthe Rasmusen

FHL Film Number307144

Reference IDv 13 p 299

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/3192296:60092

 

Nr 273

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070105320354

 

 

 

 

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Tønnes Pedersen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NameTønnes Pedersen

GenderMale

Birth Date26. sep 1846 (26 Sep 1846)

Baptism Date4. okt 1846 (4 Oct 1846)

Baptism PlaceStavanger, Rogaland, Norway

FatherPeder Michaelsen

MotherBerthe Rasmusdatter

FHL Film Number307144

Reference IDvol 13

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2525125:60092?_phsrc=pNC1&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=tonnes&ml_rpos=11&queryId=64515d33a8be4dd9ec241530392665de

 

Sønn er

 

Peder Bernhard Michal Michalsen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NamePeder Bernhard Michal Michalsen

GenderMale

Birth Date5. mai 1875 (5 May 1875)

Baptism Date30. mai 1875 (30 May 1875)

Baptism PlaceStavanger, Rogaland, Norway

Father's Ageb. 1846

Mother's Ageb. 1845

FatherTonnes Michalsen

MotherOlava Caroline Amalia Loken

FHL Film Number307145

Reference IDp. 116

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1439595:60092?_phsrc=pNC5&_phstart=successSource&ml_rpos=1&queryId=3231e06483732cb4f476b3638a224e3c

 

Nr 100

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070105310575

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret November 30, 2023 av Anton Hagelee

[Jackie K Marler]

1 hour ago, Anton Hagelee said:

The whole family in the 1865 Norwegian Census. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196003609

 

Peder was a popular name in this family. 

 

So the Peder Michalsen who died in 1944 in Stavanger was the brother of the Tønnes Michaelsen  who emigrated in 1882 and thus the uncle of the Peter B Michaelson  who died in 1956 in Chicago Illinois. 

 

 

 Yes, in a nutshell.....

[Bente Borgen]

Beklager så mye! Jeg var opptatt på annet hold i hele går, men i dag har jeg begynt å se gjennom alle dine flotte bidrag, Jackie K Marler. Foreløpig kan jeg bekrefte at Peter giftet seg med Delia, at faren bodde hos dem i 1910, men ikke moren.

Verken mor eller far bor sammen med familien, der Peter er farmer i 1920.

Men jeg skjønner ikke at det kan være den samme Peter som dør i Stavanger i 1944 og i Amerika i 1956 🙂

Endret Desember 1, 2023 av Bente Borgen

[Jackie K Marler]

Anton has found that the Peder who died in 1944 in Stavanger is likely the uncle of the Peter who died in Chicago in 1956.