Mann og kone reiste til Amerika i 1837 fra Klepp i Rogaland. Noen som kan hjelpe?

[Gaute Klepp]

Enok Eilefsen Bore

Då han vart døypt 23. november 1806 i Klepp, var faren Eilef Enoksen Bore, 31 år, og mora Berta Eivindsdotter Braut, 21. Han gifta seg med Berta Serina Torjusdotter Sele den 6. april 1837 i Klepp. Den 12. juni 1837 står det i kyrkjeboka, at han saman med kona, vil reisa til Nord-Amerika. Begge budde då på Vestre Bore.  Dei var dei første som slo seg ned i Orange, Essex, New Jersey.

[Anton Hagelee]

Passasjerliste nummer 5 og 6

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1759

Passenger list 1837 - sloop Stavanger Paket

 

 

[Ole christian Torstrup]

Vigselen https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000000464419

[Anton Hagelee]

Encke Bure

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1850

NameEncke Bure

Arrival DateSep 11, 1837

Age32

GenderM (Male)

Port of ArrivalNew York

Port of DepartureHamburg, Germany

Place of OriginSta???ger

ShipShip Raphali Mottel

Microfilm Serial NumberM237

Microfilm Roll Number35

List Number797

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/637799:7485?tid=&pid=&queryId=2c5ea23a-ba29-4c6d-a89d-43e241f2b84c&_phsrc=Rok20&_phstart=successSource

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

12 hours ago, Gaute Klepp said:

Berta Serina Torjusdotter Sele den 6. april 1837

 

Er alderen for Serena feil?

 

Bertha Serena Bure

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameBertha Serena Bure

Age21

Birth Dateabt 1816

Departure PortHamburg, Germany

Arrival Date11 Sep 1837

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Ship NameRaphali Mottel

 

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/1043692973:7488?tid=&pid=&queryId=fd19e6d3-9aa4-40bb-9fb1-0fa0e7961277&_phsrc=Rok31&_phstart=successSource

 

 

[Gaute Klepp]

Hei og takk for gode svar!

 

Da har vi overfarten i boks. Bertha Serina Torjusdatter er døpt den 28. november 1808 i Klepp.

[Jackie K Marler]

Volume 1 page 48 of Norwegian Immigrants to the United States has Enok and Berte as arriving on the Raphaele Mathilde which seems to match Ancestry's interpretation above.  It also says that there was an Enok Bore who was the first at Orange, Essex county, New Jersey in 1872.  Source for that is Volume I page 189 Nordmændene i Amerika. 

There is also a "pioneer" named Erling Bore indexed to the same volume but page 190.  Did Enok have a brother named Erling?

The following page is from Norwegians in New York, 1825-1925, by A.N. Rygg.  Was your Enok employed as a hatmaker in Norway?  If this one is your target, I wonder where he has been since 1837 to 1872?

 

 

Otherwise, here is a possible an Enoch Alifson born about 1805 who died in Henry county (indexed as Iroquois county), Illinois in 1849 recorded in the 1850 Mortality schedule and a possible child of his:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQMG-77S

 

And here indexed as Erich in Henry county, same mortality schedule:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL91-XZT2

 

 

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[Jackie K Marler]

Probably the rest of the family in the 1850 census Henry county, Illinois:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M85T-GLX

 

 

 

Name	Betty Alison
Sex	Female
Age	44 years
Birth Year (Estimated)	1806
Birthplace	Norway
Race	White
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1850
Event Place	Henry, Marshall, Illinois, United States
Event Place (Original)	Henry county, part of, Henry, Illinois, United States
Household Identifier	21
House Number	21
Line Number	4
Schedule Type	1850 Population
Affiliate Publication Number	M432
Affiliate Name	The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration (NARA)

 

Other People on This Record

 

Thos Alison  M  7 years Mississippi

Betty Alison F  5 years Iowa

[Jackie K Marler]

A possible in the 1840 US census in Missouri (Clark county?): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHTF-WWV

Place in the "meta" data: Saint Francisville, Clark, Missouri, United States

Age and gender categories are a good match to the 1850 census and mortality schedules:  1 boy under 5, 1 male age 30-40 and 1 female 30-40.

Clark county, Missouri is situated on the border of Iowa and Illinois:

                                          IOWA

ILLINOIS

 

[Jackie K Marler]

A family tree on Enoch Eilefson Bore's family, of course lacking any details on him and Berte except that they went to US: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L7FL-C43

[Gaute Klepp]

Hello. Lots of good input. Thanks. Should we go for this one?

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[Jackie K Marler]

Well, it appears that someone has already reached the same conclusion as me in Ancestry.  I don't subscribe but I wonder what the "Suggested Records" for each  Betty sr, Thomas / Thos. and Betty jr of the family says?

 

Is there a dodsfallprotokol for Barbro, Berta's mother?

 

I think the family did pretty well hanging onto their Norwegian name in the 1840 census, but I wonder about into the future?  Early 1850s were a very dangerous time along the Mississippi River, many cholera outbreaks and deaths.

[Gaute Klepp]

23 minutter siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

Well, it appears that someone has already reached the same conclusion as me in Ancestry.  I don't subscribe but I wonder what the "Suggested Records" for each  Betty sr, Thomas / Thos. and Betty jr of the family says?

 

Is there a dodsfallprotokol for Barbro, Berta's mother?

 

I think the family did pretty well hanging onto their Norwegian name in the 1840 census, but I wonder about into the future?  Early 1850s were a very dangerous time along the Mississippi River, many cholera outbreaks and deaths.

Hello! I didn't write it, but that's my tree, as you see from Ancestry. I entered your information, hoping to find more. No luck with me yet.

[Jackie K Marler]

I think the New Jersey Enoch is a different person.  Here is an Enok Bore whose father Eilert Bore is a hat maker:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038196007533

 

And an actual hattemager Enok Bore travelling to US in 1904:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000359341

 

Here is the 1875 census (so likely eliminates this particular Enok from being considered as he doesn't make the 1872 cut) but as a  hattemager apprentice:  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052234008072

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[Gaute Klepp]

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[Gaute Klepp]

[Jackie K Marler]

An exceedingly long shot for Enoch family in the 1860 census:  Betsy Smith b about 1810 Norway and 3 with the last name Eleson, a girl named Sophia b abt 1845 Iowa and two young men Thomas Eleson b abt 1842 Iowa and the last John b abt 1840 in Canada.  Here is a family tree in which all 3 "children" are given last name Smith:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GZQ8-N6K

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9X-VJS

 

Here the family is in the 1870 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNSW-8JW

 

Bertha Smith in Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133620590/bertha-smith

 

There is a marriage between a John Smith and a Betsy Turner in 1850 in Henry county, Illinois.  Another exceeding long shot:

SMITH, JOHN

TURNER, BETSEY

1850-11-03

00000092

HENRY

 

There is also a family tree identifying the couple as John Bruson Smith and Lavina Elizabeth Betsey Turner both American by birth, so unlikely to be the couple in Wisconsin but I will leave it up just in case the "interpretation" is incorrect.

Endret Januar 26 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

Only one of the finding from the 1850 census for a female born abt 1845 in Iowa with any surname like Alison & a Norwegian connection is Betty in Henry county, Illinois:

Name	Events	Relationships
Melisa Allison   Principal United States Census, 1850	Census  1850  Village Township, Van Buren, Iowa, United States    Birth  1845  Iowa, United States

 

 

Hariet Elleson   Principal United States Census, 1850	Census  1850  Lee, Iowa, United States    Birth  1846  Iowa, United States

 

 

Betty Alison   Principal United States Census, 1850	Census  1850  Henry, Marshall, Illinois, United States    Birth  1845  Iowa, United States

 

 

Lydia Elison   Principal United States Census, 1850	Census  1850  Ross, Ross Township, Butler, Ohio, United States    Birth  1845  Iowa, United States

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[Jackie K Marler]

Here in 1900 census St. Croix County, Wisconsin, (Sophia B Eleson aka Sophia B. Smith) is listed as Bertha S. Smith with both her parents born Norway (so John Smith b Denmark cannot be her father):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM2C-SYF

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

RECORD INFORMATION

Last Name:	Smith
Maiden Name:
First Name:	John
Qualifier:
County:	St. Croix
Birth Year:	1804
Death Year:	1907
Portrait?:	No

SOURCE INFORMATION

Author:
Published Year:
Published Month:
Published Day:

REFERENCE DETAILS

Call Number:
Volume Number:	9
Page Number:	124
Source Title:	Wisconsin Necrology
Source Description:	The Wisconsin Necrology is 52 scrapbooks created by librarians at the Wisconsin Historical Society between 1860 and 1950. It contains nearly 30,000 obituaries clipped from newspapers and magazines. It doesn't contain every obituary but only those for people who were prominent in their local communities. These range from a few paragraphs to several pages in length, and many contain photos. Only a few obituaries are included for people who died before 1860 or after 1950.

[Gaute Klepp]

 

In the 1900 census, John Smith, senior and John Smith, Junior state that they came to America in 1854. Then the marriage between John Smith, Senior and Berta must have occurred between 1854 and 1860.

Ladysmith News-Budget

Ladysmith, Wisconsin · Thursday, October 10, 1907

Endret Januar 26 av Gaute Klepp

[Jackie K Marler]

Question is where did they marry?

 

Did Berte Serine Torjusdatter have any other siblings who came to America?

 

John Smith land acquisitions from US government in St. Croix county, Wisconsin at glorecords.blm.gov site  Most of these appear to be around Cylon except for one.  Don't know if they are target John Smith's though.  John Smith is exceedingly common name.

 

Endret Januar 26 av Jackie K Marler

[Gaute Klepp]

Berthe Sophia Erickson AKA Berthe Sophia Enochson?

None of the siblings traveled to America.

Can we find the marriage between Bertha Sophie and John Smith? Maybe she used Smith as her last name when she got married? She married her stepbrother.

Here it is.

 

 

Endret Januar 26 av Gaute Klepp

[Jackie K Marler]

3 hours ago, Gaute Klepp said:

Berthe Sophia Erickson AKA Berthe Sophia Enochson?

None of the siblings traveled to America.

Can we find the marriage between Bertha Sophie and John Smith? Maybe she used Smith as her last name when she got married? She married her stepbrother.

Here it is.

 

 

I actually meant Berte Serine's siblings but the 1868 marriage in St. Croix is the correct one for Sophia AKA Bertha.  No sources listed for the family tree of Bertha-Sophie and she is assigned Erickson last name which could be very easily done looking at the 1850 census from Henry county, Illinois.  So you're saying the John Eleson b 1840 (in the 1860 census) is the same person as John Smith b 1841 Sweden (in the 1870 census) and is the son of John Smith who married Bertha sr? 

[Gaute Klepp]

9 timer siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

I actually meant Berte Serine's siblings but the 1868 marriage in St. Croix is the correct one for Sophia AKA Bertha.  No sources listed for the family tree of Bertha-Sophie and she is assigned Erickson last name which could be very easily done looking at the 1850 census from Henry county, Illinois.  So you're saying the John Eleson b 1840 (in the 1860 census) is the same person as John Smith b 1841 Sweden (in the 1870 census) and is the son of John Smith who married Bertha sr? 

I am not sure, too many irregularities in the censuses. In the 1900 census, John Senior lives in the same house as John Junior and Bertha S. and it says that Senior is the father of Junior and that both came to America in 1854. In the 1880 census it says that Senior is the father-in-law.

Endret Januar 27 av Gaute Klepp