Charles Andrew Cedar

[Laura Wallis]

Looking for any records in Norway for my great grandfather Charles Andrew Cedar born 1844 in Oslo Kristiania. Sea captain by trade and settled in London England. Father’s name Adolf Cedar trade was a Goldsmith. Nothing else known about Charles before he settled  in England. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[Grethe Flood]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JYK-GRL

Name	Charles Andrew Cedar
Age	55
Event Type	Death
Event Date	1898
Event Place	Whitechapel, London, England
Registration District	Whitechapel
Page	194
Volume	1C
Affiliate Line Number	185
Registration Quarter	Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year	1898
Birth Year (Estimated)	1843

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DRS-CFD

Name	Charles Andrew Cedar
Event Type	Marriage
Event Date	1879
Event Place	Stepney, London, England
Registration District	Stepney
Page	780
Volume	1C
Affiliate Line Number	62
Registration Quarter	Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year	1879
Possible Spouse	Martha Allan

 

[Richard Olsen]

Laura

 

It probably was not Cedar in Norway. Perhaps Sater or Sæther.

 

His name in Norway would not be Charles Andrew. Perhaps Carl Anders (or Andreas).

 

The surname was probably a farm name. In Norway, Charles Andrew might have been known as another last name, such as Adolfsen (if his father was Adolf)

[Laura Wallis]

30 minutes ago, Richard Olsen said:

Laura

 

It probably was not Cedar in Norway. Perhaps Sater or Sæther.

 

His name in Norway would not be Charles Andrew. Perhaps Carl Anders (or Andreas).

 

The surname was probably a farm name. In Norway, Charles Andrew might have been known as another last name, such as Adolfsen (if his father was Adolf)

30 minutes ago, Richard Olsen said:

Laura

 

It probably was not Cedar in Norway. Perhaps Sater or Sæther.

 

His name in Norway would not be Charles Andrew. Perhaps Carl Anders (or Andreas).

 

The surname was probably a farm name. In Norway, Charles Andrew might have been known as another last name, such as Adolfsen (if his father was Adolf)

Hi Richard, 

Thank you for highlighting those areas. I’ll investigate further. Much appreciated. 

30 minutes ago, Richard Olsen said:

Laura

 

It probably was not Cedar in Norway. Perhaps Sater or Sæther.

 

His name in Norway would not be Charles Andrew. Perhaps Carl Anders (or Andreas).

 

The surname was probably a farm name. In Norway, Charles Andrew might have been known as another last name, such as Adolfsen (if his father was Adolf)

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Hello Laura, the rules of this site require that you use your full name. Here is a link to how to accomplish that name change. The link is to the instructions in English. 

 

              https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/content/change-display-name

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

For what its  worth, there are a few Family Trees on Ancestry.com that connect  to a Adolph Cedarwall  born in Sweden. There are not many sources that are given in these trees for that name  but I will post a few here. Could be a wild goose chase but we do not have much to go on that I can find in the Norwegian sources.  And so far no way to connect the Cederwall family from Sweden to the Charles Andrew Cedar in England. 

 

The trees make a line from 

Adolf Bernhard Cederwall

1816–1858

BIRTH 25 AUG 1816 • Vårdinge, (B) Sweden

DEATH 6 MAJ 1858 • Hedvig Eleonora Stockholm

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/174744643/person/212265074401/facts?_phsrc=Bvb3&_phstart=successSource

 

Would be nice if someone could find out what his occupation was?

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V7V3-V8V

 

 

Endret Februar 23, 2024 av Anton Hagelee

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

3 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Adolf Bernhard Cederwall

1816–1858

BIRTH 25 AUG 1816 • Vårdinge, (B) Sweden

 

The baptism:

Vårdinge kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/SSA/1585/C I/3 (1758-1828), bildid: C0049345_00129, sida 224

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0049345_00129

 

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

 

The farm index:

Vårdinge kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/SSA/1585/A I/7 (1816-1820), bildid: C0049327_00009

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0049327_00009

 

The family lived at Stängen p. 102

 

Vårdinge kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/SSA/1585/A I/7 (1816-1820), bildid: C0049327_00115, sida 102

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0049327_00114

 

Stängen or Stången was also Berga ryttertorp.

Endret Februar 23, 2024 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

The father, Gr. No. 14 (grenader?) A. J. Ceder was born in Örebro 17. September 1788, and 

 

the mother Hedda Lotta Bergstedt born 22. October 1786 in Marief. (Mariefred)

 

I found her on this list:

https://sok.stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/bildarkiv/egenproducerat/kyrkobok/K089O0001-0020.pdf

Endret Februar 23, 2024 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

The brother, Otto Edvard moves in 1818 to Kernbo, and the mother the same year to a place I am not able to read..(Björnlinda…?)

[Matthias Kolberg]

At the time of his death, Adolph Bernhard Cederwall was listed as

f.d. underkanonier

Former cannoneer

 

LÄNK

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00012480_00178

KÄLLHÄNVISNING

Hedvig Eleonora kyrkoarkiv, Död- och begravningsböcker, SE/SSA/0006/F I/10 (1853-1868), bildid: 00012480_00178, sida 349 

[Grethe Flood]

As far as I can see, Charles Andrew married in 1879. Is there any information on the groom's father in a marriage certificate? 

 

Do you know when Charles Andrew arrived in the UK and is there an immigration record for him?

 

I guess this must be his wife in the 1881 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK6T-2SKW

 

Name	Martha Cedar
Sex	Female
Age	22
Birth Year (Estimated)	1859
Birthplace	Limehouse, Middlesex, England
Marital Status	Married
Occupation	Mariners Wife
Relationship to Head of Household	Wife Of Head Head
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1881
Event Place	Ratcliff, London,Middlesex, England
Line Number	14
Page Number	28
Piece/Folio	464/14
Registration Number	RG11

 

Daugher: 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-KV6B

 

Name	Elizth Cedar
Sex	Female
Age	0
Birth Year (Estimated)	1881
Birthplace	Stepney, Middlesex, England
Marital Status	Single
Relationship to Head of Household	Daughter
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1881
Event Place	Ratcliff, London,Middlesex, England
Line Number	14
Page Number	28
Piece/Folio	464/14
Registration Number	RG11

[Grethe Flood]

???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-7QXF

Name	Charles Cedar
Sex	Male
Age	38
Birth Year (Estimated)	1843
Birthplace	Norway
Marital Status	Married
Occupation	2nd Mate
Event Type	Census
Event Date	1881
Event Place	Penarth, Glamorganshire, Wales
Line Number	3
Page Number	0
Piece/Folio	5290/114
Registration Number	RG11

 

 

[Stine H Kvistad]

Infoen om far og yrke er herfra. 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2552081:1623?tid=&pid=&queryId=5a0a19ad-929a-4800-9de3-533607ddea50&_phsrc=DQp4675&_phstart=successSource

 

[Stine H Kvistad]

Is this him, Laura? 

 

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch="capt cedar"&retrievecountrycounts=false

Bodø Tidende, tirsdag 3. mai 1898

 

[Stine H Kvistad]

No, we can disregard that candidate. 

[Laura Wallis]

Re - Charles Andrew Cedar b1844 Oslo Kristiania Norway d1898 London England 

Thanks everyone for your information. Some details I already know regarding the London connections. I’ll investigate what you’ve sent as much as possible. Any other information will be much appreciated. 😊👍

[Stine H Kvistad]

 

 

You can find out about his worklife by checking his shiprecords agains newspapers in the given timespan. 

Here Northern Chief 1875-1876

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1875-01-01/1876-12-31?basicsearch="northern chief"&phrasesearch=northern chief&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=dayearly

 

From Ancestry page 2 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2271/images/31936_1831101883_0218-00125?pId=641696

 

[Sven Hjortland]

Date of birth: January 14th, 1844

 

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/2271/images/31936_1831101883_0218-00130?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=kTE1268&_phstart=successSource&pId=641696

[Richard Olsen]

This is only a possibility, nothing guaranteed

 

Sœter or Seter are Norwegian names (farm and surname).

 

American English = Sɛdər - easily translated to Cedar.

According to an online map there is an Oslo suburb called Sœter

[Richard Olsen]

According to information on Ancestry.com - Adolf Ceder was born in 1815 in Sweden.

 

The surname Ceder (notice spelling) is in Sweden.

 

I will continue the research.

[Stine H Kvistad]

My guess is his lastname (Carl Andreas or Ole Andreas)? starts with Söder, and is of swedish decent. Born 14 Jan 1843 or 1844. Both years are on his english shiprecords.

I am having some trouble pasting the picture of page 2. It lists the ships he has worked on.

He was permanently in England from 1869.

 

He should be in our 1865 cencus, as Adolf* or Søder*

 

 

Name	Charles Andrew Cedar
Birth	1844 Christiania, Norway
Civil	16 Apr 1880 London

 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/641697:2271?tid=&pid=&queryId=c0571570-a147-4405-a84c-81c99af6f6b9&_phsrc=DQp4821&_phstart=successSource

 

Ship and port of registry

Linda – Christiania 1863-1866 - 3 years 8 months (salary slip)

Lerkan- Christiania 1866-1867- 1 year 3 months

Halden – Brevik -1868-1869, 9 months (Telemark)

 

From 1869, a number of English vessels.

Lärkan, Lerkan, Larkan,  Dampskibet Halden, are mentioned in newspapers on nb.no.

Fredrikshald / Halden is also mentioned.

 

The records for mariners and ships mentioned, are probably the the best source of new info.

There are many good helpers on the forum, who can navigate in the archive of shiprecords.

 

 

Kristiania, a mix of first and surnames on S 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42455/36

 

Brevik

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42278/2

 

 

 

[Richard Olsen]

I don't know if this is the correct person, but I will post it here. It's about a Charles Cederwall, sea captain. It mentions, Sweden, Norway, England.

 

Endret Februar 24, 2024 av Richard Olsen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

På 23.2.2024 den 7.03, Anne-Lise Hansen skrev:

The brother, Otto Edvard moves in 1818 to Kernbo, and the mother the same year to a place I am not able to read..(Björnlinda…?)

 

They moved to Björnlunda in Södermansland, where they had a son, Carl Fredric, November 23. 1818:

 

Björnlunda kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/10120/C/2 (1800-1852), bildid: C0005966_00077

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005966_00077

(No. 38)

 

Now the father’s name is Cederwall

 

 

They had married 26.12.1815 in Vårdinge:

 

Vårdinge kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/SSA/1585/C I/3 (1758-1828), bildid: C0049345_00218, sida 471

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0049345_00218

 

 

The family in 1818-1823:

 

Björnlunda kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/ULA/10120/A I/7 (1818-1823), bildid: C0005949_00016, sida 9

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0005949_00016

 

 

They are off again in 1819 to Enhorna?

 

 

 

Maybe the place is.

Enhörna

Enhörna is a locality in Södertälje Municipality, Stockholm County. Enhörna is situated nearby to the hamlets Tuna and Stora Väsby.

 

Socken-sök:

 

Södermanland

Enhörna (f d Ytterenhörna)

Selebo hd

Södertälje kn

Stockholms län

18104

Stockholms StA

Endret Februar 25, 2024 av Anne-Lise Hansen

[Anne-Lise Hansen]

 

Farm index Ytterenhòrna church archive:

 

Ytterenhörna kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/SSA/6035/A I/5 (1815-1820), bildid: C0008558_00007

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0008558_00007

 

Edited: Negative search..

 

Anders Fredrik Ceder / Cederwall 88 17/2 Örebro

Hedda (Char)Lotta Bergstedt 86 22/10 Mariefred

Adolf Bernhard  1816 25/8 Vårdinge

Carl Fredrik 1818 25/11 Björnlunda

Endret Februar 25, 2024 av Anne-Lise Hansen