Reports of Deaths at Sea & Possible Explanatory Parish Records

[Leah Snider]

Who: Borgny Marie Mathiesen, DOB 19 Dec 1908 in Holmestrand (parents - Ludvig Hagbart Mathiesen & Anna Marie Mathiesen (nee Knudsen)

When: 23 May 1930

Where: on board the S.S. Bergensfjord  It sailed from New York on, 16 May, and arrived in Bergen, on 25 May; I have not been able to locate a passenger list. 

 

I have been led to believe that people who died at sea were buried at sea.  The attached OBIT makes it sound like she was buried in Holmestrand. (I wish I could see the entire newspaper page this came from, but this is all I have.) Are they maybe saying there was just a service held for her?  There was still some family left in Holmestrand, but her mother was deceased and her father had already emigrated to the U.S.A. Would this death have been reported to the police in Norway upon arrival, and then to the parish she had lived in? If she wasn't buried at see how would her body likely have been transported from Bergen to Holmestrand? (train, or police undertaker ?) I have tried searching the archives, but found nothing.  Perhaps, you can tell me if there is some way else to search besides parish deaths.  I would appreciate knowing what, if any records would be in the archive in regard to her death, and what the protocols were at the time for handling/reporting this type of death. Thank you for any assistance.

 

[Egil Johannessen]

29 minutter siden, Leah Snider skrev:

The attached OBIT makes it sound like she was buried in Holmestrand. (I wish I could see the entire newspaper page this came from, but this is all I have.)

 

It was printed in Buskeruds Blad, mandag 26. mai 1930 - https://www.nb.no/items/b73d7b248bc99eb7b5d96af13ef5a698?page=5&searchText="borgny marie"

 

She was buried at Holmestrand Chapel.

Endret Februar 25 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

You can find her in the Death Protocol for Homestrand, #10 - Holmestrand sorenskriveri, SAKO/A-67/H/Ha/L0001: Dødsanmeldelseprotokoll, 1916-1951, Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60074154000063

 

Death date was 22nd of May 1930.

 

"Borgny Marie Mathiesen, b. 1908, dead on board Bergensfjord. (Leaving behind): 1. Mate, widower Hagb. Mathiesen, America. 4 siblings whereof 2 in America."

 

Endret Februar 25 av Egil Johannessen

[Sigrun Randen]

Men Hagbart er vel faren hennes, en misforståelse av dødsfallsprotokollføreren ?

 

Hagbart was her father, the protocol writer made some kind of mistake ?

[Jackie K Marler]

5 hours ago, Leah Snider said:

Who: Borgny Marie Mathiesen, DOB 19 Dec 1908 in Holmestrand (parents - Ludvig Hagbart Mathiesen & Anna Marie Mathiesen (nee Knudsen)

When: 23 May 1930

Where: on board the S.S. Bergensfjord  It sailed from New York on, 16 May, and arrived in Bergen, on 25 May; I have not been able to locate a passenger list. 

 

I have been led to believe that people who died at sea were buried at sea.  The attached OBIT makes it sound like she was buried in Holmestrand. (I wish I could see the entire newspaper page this came from, but this is all I have.) Are they maybe saying there was just a service held for her?  There was still some family left in Holmestrand, but her mother was deceased and her father had already emigrated to the U.S.A. Would this death have been reported to the police in Norway upon arrival, and then to the parish she had lived in? If she wasn't buried at see how would her body likely have been transported from Bergen to Holmestrand? (train, or police undertaker ?) I have tried searching the archives, but found nothing.  Perhaps, you can tell me if there is some way else to search besides parish deaths.  I would appreciate knowing what, if any records would be in the archive in regard to her death, and what the protocols were at the time for handling/reporting this type of death. Thank you for any assistance.

 

A big ship like Bergensfjord would have had a big icebox (and even later an electric refrigerator) with a relatively short voyage ahead....

But in the sailing days on a two month voyage without a lot of "appropriate" storage space, burying at sea is exactly what was done. 

[Jackie K Marler]

 

If you have an option always look at the actual entry which says [survivors are] widower styrmann (navigator or some other marine occupation) Hagb. Matheisen, America and 4 siblings of which two in America.

Endret Februar 25 av Jackie K Marler

[Grethe Flood]

Here is the birth and baptism record for Borgny Marie:

 

Vestfold county, Holmestrand in Holmestrand, Parish register (copy) no. 6 (1901-1923), Born and baptised 1909, Page 37
Permanent image ID: kb20060914020637
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060914020637
Permanent image-link: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060914020637.jpg
 

1910 Census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036485002406

 

I guess if Borgny wasn't married, her still living father and siblings would be her closest heirs. 

Endret Februar 25 av Grethe Flood

[Grethe Flood]

Hagbart in the seamen's rolls for Holmestrand: 

Vestfold fylke, Hovedrulle nr. 4 (1872-1913), Protokollside, Side 347
Permanent bilde-ID: ru20090420670347
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090420670347
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ru20090420670347.jpg
 

[Sigrun Randen]

Yes, no doubt she was unmarried and left behind father and siblings,  the person who wrote the death protocol forgot "far" in front of Hagb. Mathiesen’s name. Look at the other registrations in these protocol and you will see that the word father is surely missing here.

Endret Februar 25 av Sigrun Randen

[Leah Snider]

18 hours ago, Egil Johannessen said:

You can find her in the Death Protocol for Homestrand, #10 - Holmestrand sorenskriveri, SAKO/A-67/H/Ha/L0001: Dødsanmeldelseprotokoll, 1916-1951, Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60074154000063

 

Death date was 22nd of May 1930.

 

"Borgny Marie Mathiesen, b. 1908, dead on board Bergensfjord. (Leaving behind): 1. Mate, widower Hagb. Mathiesen, America. 4 siblings whereof 2 in America."

 

Hi Egil,

Thank you for this link to Borgny's death report.  Once again I've learned about something/someway new to search for information at these Archives; it's so easy not to find things unless you understand different search methods for the site.  This certainly provides me with more information.  I appreciate it.  Thank you, too, for the link to the National Library which had the full newspaper containing the OBIT clipping I had.  It's so much better to know exactly where it came from and when.  

 

Sincerely,

Leah

[Leah Snider]

12 hours ago, Sigrun Randen said:

Yes, no doubt she was unmarried and left behind father and siblings,  the person who wrote the death protocol forgot "far" in front of Hagb. Mathiesen’s name. Look at the other registrations in these protocol and you will see that the word father is surely missing here.

Sigrun,

Thank you for your insights to this information. I did think it odd that her father was properly identified, but those mistakes happen.

 

Sincerely,

Leah

[Leah Snider]

13 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

Hagbart in the seamen's rolls for Holmestrand: 

Vestfold fylke, Hovedrulle nr. 4 (1872-1913), Protokollside, Side 347
Permanent bilde-ID: ru20090420670347
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090420670347
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-ru20090420670347.jpg
 

Grethe,

 

Thank you for sending this link about Ludvig Hagbart; I knew my great grandfather was a seaman, but this is a new piece of information.  Once I work through the tiny scribbled notes I will have mor information about his work!  Thank you, too, for Borgny's BB link. I appreciate all of this.

 

Sincerely,

Leah

[Leah Snider]

14 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

A big ship like Bergensfjord would have had a big icebox (and even later an electric refrigerator) with a relatively short voyage ahead....

But in the sailing days on a two month voyage without a lot of "appropriate" storage space, burying at sea is exactly what was done. 

Hi Jackie,

 

Thanks for your insights.  I kind of thought by 1930 ship's would have had something like that, and she did die near the arrival date.  Now if they had just noted why, or what she died from.  As we can see, she was a very young woman. . .  I also appreciate the translation information.

 

Sincerely,

Leah

[Leah Snider]

On 2/24/2024 at 5:38 PM, Leah Snider said:

Who: Borgny Marie Mathiesen, DOB 19 Dec 1908 in Holmestrand (parents - Ludvig Hagbart Mathiesen & Anna Marie Mathiesen (nee Knudsen)

When: 23 May 1930

Where: on board the S.S. Bergensfjord  It sailed from New York on, 16 May, and arrived in Bergen, on 25 May; I have not been able to locate a passenger list. 

 

I have been led to believe that people who died at sea were buried at sea.  The attached OBIT makes it sound like she was buried in Holmestrand. (I wish I could see the entire newspaper page this came from, but this is all I have.) Are they maybe saying there was just a service held for her?  There was still some family left in Holmestrand, but her mother was deceased and her father had already emigrated to the U.S.A. Would this death have been reported to the police in Norway upon arrival, and then to the parish she had lived in? If she wasn't buried at see how would her body likely have been transported from Bergen to Holmestrand? (train, or police undertaker ?) I have tried searching the archives, but found nothing.  Perhaps, you can tell me if there is some way else to search besides parish deaths.  I would appreciate knowing what, if any records would be in the archive in regard to her death, and what the protocols were at the time for handling/reporting this type of death. Thank you for any assistance. 

***NEW CONFUSING Information:  There appears to be a conflict in the dates listed for this record in the archives 1929 vs 1930 which is why I never found it when searching for 1930.  I  found a record on MyHeritage, that is from a collection of "Norway Death Registrations 1927-1941." You can see the attached information, as well as what happened when I tried to look at the actual archive records.  Is there any way, since Borgny is my direct line great-aunt, that I can have the redacted for privacy information sent privately to me?

On 2/24/2024 at 5:38 PM, Leah Snider said: