Hans Joensen Hiart i Lurøy(ca 1701 til 1709-1770)

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Søker aner på min forfar Hans Joensen Hiart i Lurøy på Helgeland, som er oppgitt å være 60 år ved folketellingen 1769

for Lurøy, og 69 år da han døde i 1770. Han var bruker i Hiart i Lurøy fra 1729, og fikk bygselbrev der da av presten

Anders Dass. Han var først gift med Abelone Ellingsdatter(ca 1701-1766). Skifte på henne var det 22.08.1767. De

hadde disse barna: 

1)Else Malena Hansdatter født ca 1723-1731(70 år i 1801, og 80 år da hun døde), Gift med Tosten Tostensen

(ca 1719-1804). De ble gift 13.06.1762. Var i Hiart ved folketellingen 1801

Her kan det være flere barn, men kirkebøkene starter ikke før 1739. Da finner jeg

2)Barn ikke funnet som døpt, men moren Abelone introdusert 21.06.1739. Det kan være neste barn

3)Hans Hansen født ca 1739-42, og 27 år ved folketellingen 1769. 45 år da han døde i 1784. Gift med 

Deorthea Hansdatter Flostrand i Nesna kirke 11.01.1779

4)Hermand Hansen døpt 17.10.1745, og gift 27.12.1775 med Sophia Nilsdatter i Lurøy(skifte på Vatnet i 

Lurøy i 1800). Hermand døde i 1789, og ble gravlagt 26.04.1789

5)Iver Hansen døpt 14.04.04.1748, og død i 1814. Gravlagt 11.04.1814, og skifte i Solvær i Lurøy i 1814

Gift i 1783 med Ingeborg Olsdatter. De var i Solvær ved folketellingen 1801

Så døde Hans sin første kone Abelone, og Hans ble gift med Kirsten Jensdatter(født ca 1737()26.12.1767. 

Forsøk på lenke(langt nede til venstre):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16602/3 De fikk barna:

1)Jens Hansen  døpt 29.09.1768, og konfirmert i Lurøy 17.07.1785. Har ikke mer på han

2)Abelone Hansdatter døpt 24.02.1771 og konfirmert i Lurøy 08.07.1787. Gift første gang

med Svend Hansen Breivik( dødpt 04.03.1761-1805 da han døde). Det er disse jeg skal videre på, gjennom

deres sønn Andreas født 1799. De var i Breivik ved folketellingen 1801

Hans Joensen fikk altså bygselbrev på Hiart i 1729. Forsøk på lenke fra tingboka 1730-1734(ca midt på

høyre side): https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/31250/21 

 

I Lurøyboka for 2002-2003 av Rune Bang skrives det at far til Hans og Herman kan være en Joen Hermandsen,

men den eneste jeg finner i passende alder med dette navnet i Rødøy prestegjeld ved manntallet 1701 er 

Joen Hermandsen Norum som da var 30 år og sønn av handelsmann Hermand Hansen Norum. Den eneste 

aktuelle far ellers holdt til i Hemnes. Joen Hermandsen Norum har jeg også som brorsønn av min forfar Lars 

på Sleipnes i Rødøy. Var det Joen Hermandsen Norum som var far til Hans Joensen som senere var i Hiart og 

mulig bror Hermand i Maavær? Forsøker på lenke til manntallet 1701: 

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/38463/22

Endret Mars 5, 2024 av Anne Lise Hovdal

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Må ta noen lenker i nytt innlegg: Her døde Hans i 1770(nede til venstre, og datter Abelone står døpt på høyre side):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16602/13

 

Og her ble han gift med Kirsten Jensdatter i 1767: 

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16602/3-

 

Kan ellers nevne at folketellingen 1769 for Lurøy og Træna er å finne på Statsarkivet i Trondheim med navn, mens 

folketellingen for resten av Rødøy prestegjeld ikke har navn. Så i det for flere år siden, og den er ikke lagt ut på

Digitalarkivet. Ellers skulle jeg gjerne ha lagt ut lenke

 

Endret Mars 5, 2024 av Anne Lise Hovdal

[Kathleen Love]

Hei, it is a long time but maybe you will see this

I have been looking at Hans and family.

Father uncertain but he had brothers!

See skift after Ingeborg Pedersdr. Selnes  

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/24858/226

Datter Malena with her Christensen barn. Their farbrors Hans Joensen Hiart and Peder Joensen Nessøen are named. 

Malena then was gift Christen Joensen Bogen.

 

There may be another child, Christen, 1750 5 Paske https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16497/124 No farm name but fadder Niels Christensen Hiart is associated in other sources.

 

I think they may be the sons of Joen Olsen Hiart, d. 1714

His skift 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/24834/91

Edvardsen has listed them as sons and daughters but they are creditors. "Kristopher" I think is Christen, as seen in 1701 census. So there may be children who did not make a claim. Hans would be too young maybe. Difficult to prove.

Christen Bogen would be older. 4 children before death ca. 1750

 

Peder Joensen Nessøen is interesting in that his wife Maren Pedersdr. was daughter of Else Andersdr. Valle and Peder Hansen Nessøen. Side 261 Slægten Benkestok.

[Kathleen Love]

Also have family of Tosten Tostensen if you do not.

He was from Brennberget Hemnes, son of Tosten Nielsen

One son, Johannes b. 1763 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/16850/10

Johannes gift Maren Knudsdr 1787, died at Hiart 1812

 

Brother Peder Tostensen married a great aunt of mine, Kiersten Andersdr Storselsø. His young son Johannes died 1763 and I think Tosten named his boy for him.

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Thank you for your ansver. Peder Joensen Nesøen must be brother og Hans Joensen Hiart, becorse Peder and Hans is fatherbrother

of Ole Christensen.

Endret Lørdag 02:23 av Anne Lise Hovdal

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Fant dette med søk på Ole Christensen Selnes på Røy Søftings slektssider. Han mener at Ole var født ca 1730: 

 

https://www.roysofting.com/Slekt/getperson.php?personID=I187783&tree=Roy

[Kathleen Love]

Father Joen Olsen Hiart? 

Sources 1665 Sogneprestens manntall https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10041005203064

Ole Hermandsen, sons Jon, Hermand (Hermand was a family name)

 

Skifte for Hermand Olsen Hiart https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20110401610268

lønns or other to Christen Joensen, Peder Joensen, Marit Joensdr.,Kirsten Joensdr.

Kirsten Joensdr also tiener in household 1711.

I think these are the children of Joen Olsen.

Please note I do not speak or read Norwegian.

 

Abelone Ellingsdr and Synneve Joensdr. named in skift for neighbor Gulle Hansen Hiart 1728

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090220640568

And you have bygselbrev for Hans, 1729

 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

And I am not good to read and speak english. May be someone who read this can translate for you. Hans Joensen are not mentioned

in skifte after Joen Olsen Hiart as a children. I have seen skifter yo mentoioned before, and i cant prove that Hans is a children av Joen Olsen

Hiart. But we know that Hans have 2 borthers from skifte after Ingeborg Pedersdatter in 1753(Christen and Peder Joensen Nesøen). I try to find

Peder and his children i churchbooks now, and find Wife Maren Pedersdatter introdusert i 1739 and the son Edvin baptisted 14.p.trinit.1739. 

  have also find Helena baptisted 20.03.1746. I shall see later on Christen Jonsen, but i think his and Malenas children was born before 1739. 

I also think the other children of Peder And Maren also was born before 1739. I think Roy Søftings siden who i write about must bee wrong i

see now. I shall also see later in boka Slekten Benkestok who i have here in home. I have also som others in there. Shall altso see det yon 

mentioned in Hemnes(bygdebøker are in internett). I have much to think about and see know. I hope yo understand my english, and thank

you for ypur answers who is good for me

[Kathleen Love]

You are so welcome. This is what I do for pleasure. It is good to work with another person.

Some of your other posts are for Lurøy and Rødøy. This is where my grandmother came from. I have done much work there.

My great grandfather came from Saltdal, and I have the 4 binders of Saltdal Gård og Slekt! I am most interested in 18th century.

 

Yes, I think Hans is youngest - født after 1701. Christen eldest, had barn early.

Joen Olsen skift lists Jonsens and Jonsdatters as creditors, not children. There can be other children not making claims. But yes a problem

See skiftcort at https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/77805/1433

 

For Peder Jonsen Nessøen I have Berete 1744 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/16497/99

1755 inrulleringsmanntall, but no fødested given https://www.digitalarkivet.no/db60167951000075

His skift 1776 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090224630869

Notice he is the father of Michelina Pedersdr., wife of lensmand Michel Pedersen Aas

No ektefelle in his skift! But there is skift for Kirsten Pedersdr. Melfiorden, Rødøy 1748. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/24845/102

This names søster Maren P., gift Peder Nessøen

Hustrue Maren Pedersdr. is daughter of Peder Hansen Nessøen and Else Andersdr. grand daughter of skipper Jon Olsen Gaasvær

I have little bit of Slægten Benkestok, side 261 about these.

So I think Peder married into Nessøen, not born there.

Burial 2 June 1776, said to be 84 år, but you know how that is.

 

For Christen Jonsen Bogen very little. Taxes, matrikkel 1723-1744.

 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Thank you for your ansver, and now i have Berethe Pedersdatter baptisted. I have seen Innrullering for Rødøy, Lurøy osv in Statsarkivet

in Trondheim for many years ago, but it vas before i have Hans Joensen Hiart as a father for Abelone født 1770(mother Kirsten Jensdatter

introdusert late i 1770). Hans vas very old father i 1770. Abelone is my 4.tippoldemor(4. great great grandmother). I see a Hans Joensen 6 år

in Hiart in 1701-gensus also, i only mention it. I have try to see the burial i 1776 for Peder Joensen, but dont find it. My mothers mother came frem Hemnesberget

in Nordland, and she have parents from Rødøy. I have been in Nordnesøy, and Nesøy is one island with Nordnesøy and Sørnesøy. Fathet of my

mothers mothers vas from Nordnesøy and 1 been there some days in about 1999. Sørnesøy is in Lurøy municipality today, and Nordnesøy in 

Rødøy municipality. Hans Joensens other wife Kirsten Jensdatter born ca 1737, should i also have more about

[Kathleen Love]

Burial for Peder Jonsen is https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2597/84 

top right, Trinity

 

I have seen the 6 år Hans but not sure. Farsnavn does not look like Jonsen so much.

Hermand Olsen's grandson (was it Hermand Knudsen??) is listed as drenge in one record, so it may be done that way. You can judge better.

 

Who are your Rødøy ancestors? What farms?

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

??

 

Skattematrikkelen 1647. 16 : Nordland fylke: https://www.nb.no/items/a52d7d4c71eab1f2fac310bda2b0e687?page=277&searchText=hjart

 

 

Side 42:

 

Side 112: 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

6 timer siden, Kathleen Love skrev:

Burial for Peder Jonsen is https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/2597/84 

top right, Trinity

 

I have seen the 6 år Hans but not sure. Farsnavn does not look like Jonsen so much.

Hermand Olsen's grandson (was it Hermand Knudsen??) is listed as drenge in one record, so it may be done that way. You can judge better.

 

Who are your Rødøy ancestors? What farms?

Thank you. Now i see Christen Jonsen Nessøens burial i 1776 higt on the right side. I have "Skifter for Meløy, Lurøy, Rødøy,Trna 1686-1780" who

are book, and on skifte after Hermand Olsen Hiart i 1718 is daughter Karen Hermandsdatter who dead mentioned. She have a sun Hermand Knutsen.

 Farms in Rødøy: Mothers mothers father Isak Olai Mikkelborg Olsen was borned in Nordnesøy i 1874, bur his ancestors on his fathers side was from

Lurøy and Træna and his fathermathor was in slekt Mikkeborg(Mechelborgslekt came from Slesvig Holstein in 1600-tallet). His mother was from 

Vågan i Lofoten, and its nobody from Rødøy here. Mothers mothers Hansine Leonharsdatter was born i Bjerga in Rødøy 1873. The mothert of Hansine

came from Mo Rana. Hansines father came from Bolga in Meløy.Hansines father Leonhard Strøm Hansen født på Bolga i 1850 and his ancestors was

from Rødøy and Rana. In Rødøy i can mentoioned: Brevik, Kolvik,  Våtvik, Segelefore, Våga, Myken, Reppen, Sperstad, Bøe, Kila. Many of this farms

from 1700-tallet og some on 1600-tallet og noe på 1800-tallet. My mothers fathers ansestors are form other places in Helgeland, and some of them

from other places in Norways. My fathers ancestors for the most from places inn Trøndelag in Norway 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Takk for svaret Gry, og dette kan bli interessant hvis det skulle være Jon Olsen som var Hans sin far her, men det er jo noe usikkert da

[Kathleen Love]

The FamilySearch tree has Isak Olai my 4th cousin 3 times removed.

I have grandparents X6 Niels Hansen Sundøen and Magli (Magdalena) Christensdr. Michelborg.

Hansine is descended from my 6x aunt Ane Amundsdr. Storbjerka

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

1 time siden, Kathleen Love skrev:

The FamilySearch tree has Isak Olai my 4th cousin 3 times removed.

I have grandparents X6 Niels Hansen Sundøen and Magli (Magdalena) Christensdr. Michelborg.

Hansine is descended from my 6x aunt Ane Amundsdr. Storbjerka

Magdalena Christensdatter Michelborg vas sister of my ancestor Hans Christensen(ca 1713-1767), som var gift med Dorothea Jensdatter

Hønnichen fra Myklebostad i Nesna. Mechelborgslekten stand i boka "Slekten Benkestok", but i think they are not Benkestokslekt. Some

of them have married with someone i Benkestokslekt, but not my ancenstor Hans.

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

På 11.1.2026 den 3.24, Kathleen Love skrev:

I think they may be the sons of Joen Olsen Hiart, d. 1714

His skift 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/24834/91

Edvardsen has listed them as sons and daughters but they are creditors. "Kristopher" I think is Christen, as seen in 1701 census. So there may be children who did not make a claim. Hans would be too young maybe. Difficult to prove.

Christen Bogen would be older. 4 children before death ca. 1750

 

Not family or local knowledge; however, a suggestion:

Have you been looking for a "skifte" where the claims of the Jon-søner and -døtre originated?

 

The claims are obviously an inheritance that has been in Jon's custody; and they must come from the same source.

Male heirs reaching mature age (lagalder; 25 years) would (at least, could) receive their lot.

When a woman married, the husband would take care of her lot. Such a transfer is "tinglyst" as "Avkall" and noted in the Tingbok.

Most likely they have inherited their mother, meaning that the widow in 1714 is Jon's 2nd (or 3rd) wife.

This means that there had been a "skifte" some time (years) before 1714 after Jon's previous wife. 

If you find this, there shold be more information.

 

It would be at Hjart, and before Jon's re-marriage.

However, I cannot see information here that can indicate her name or time of death.

 

 

"Manntal" 1701 (dated October) : https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10041010283028  Jon has sons Ole (14) and Christen (12).  

 

Regarding "Christopher" vs. "Christen":  The confusion is fully possible, however:

When Jon died 13 years later ("skifte" 2 May 1714), Christen could have reached 25 years and got his lot.

Ole would certainly be above 25;

There is also a possibility that the Ole claiming his lot in 1714 is another Ole.

 

 

 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Ivar: I have seen the original skifte on Jon in 1714, and boet is fallit. On skiftekort is it not some skifte before 1714, om earlier i have seen

skiftedestinasjoner. They is not to see any more on "Avfotograferte slektshistoriske kilder" . When boet was falitt may be all heirs not

are mentioned? Is not good that we not have skiftedestinasjoner any more. We have no Christen Joensen Bogen and Peder Joensen Nessøen

as brother to may anchetor Hans Joensen Hjart, and i try to find the brothers children baptisted, married som e of their childrein also before i do

any more. My be also see in tingbook, but its difficult til read(i have try this before on another ancestors). I know that you ask Kathrin. I try to lenke

on skiftekort:

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/77805/1433

[Ivar S. Ertesvåg]

A link to the "skifte" after Jon in 1714 was available in the posting I cited - and I have seen it.

 

When I search DA for "skifteprotokollar" from Helgeland sorenskriveri, I see that this one is No.3 1709-1715 (split into 3a and 3b).

No.1 is for 1686-1696, while No.2 is missing in Arkivportalen (and DA). That is, lost.

If the skiftekort is complete and in proper order (alphabetical for farm name), there is no skifte available after the mother.

 

Yes, the estate was bankrupt (falitt, insolvent), and there was nothing to inherit - thus none mentioned as heirs.

Apparently Jon had in his custody the inheritance ("indestaaende arv") of the mentioned Jonsøner and -døtre from a

previous "skifte". Here, their role is creditor with a claim in the estate.

 

What we observe is that both brothers' claims are 3 Rd, while those of all the sisters are half of this. 1 1/2 Rd. 

I do not see any other explanation that these claims are from the same inheritance. (brothers inherited twice that of a sister).

It has to be on the mother's side, else the (alive) father would inherit it all.

 

In principle, Jon can simply be the custodian (verje) for the mentioned children, and their father another Jon.

However, it is fair to estimate that Jon is their father, and also that the inheritance is after their mother.

The inheritance can also be after some other relative of their (previously dead) mother; e.g. mother's parents.

 

Possibly, there are several children not mentioned:

-Jon could have children with his new(er) wife.

-Any children who died before Jon.

-He could also have sons that had reached age of maturity (25) and got their lot before Jon died,

or daughters who had got married.

-I wonder if also sons who married got "mature", even below 25, and could get their lot (I would have to check this).

 

 

 

 

 

[Anne Lise Hovdal]

Ivar: Kirkebøkene for Rødøy med Lurøy starter på 1739, så det er ikke mulig å få sjekket kirkebøkene for Rødøy med Lurøy iallefall

tidlig nok angående giftermål for sønner Jeg er ikke god til å lese og skrive engelsk, så jeg vet ikke om jeg forsto alt innlegget eller

forstår all engelsken her inne 

 

Engelsk: The chuurch book for Rødøy with Lurøy startet on 1739, and its not possible to check if søns have been married early enought

I am not good til read and write english, and i may be not understaand all englich here