Genealogy help for Samuel Arentz (b. 1818, Bergen)

[Sheryll Poe]

4 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

As stated previously by @Anne-Lise Hansen: You are not allowed access to The National Library digitized material without a Norwegian IP-address, hence I post the following:

 

3 announcements published in the Stavanger Amtstidende og Adresseavis on these dates: 

Thursday 21. December 1843, Sunday 14. January 1844 and Sunday 21. January 1844

 

Below is a clip from the one published 21. December 1843 and the text. (The other 2 announcements have the same wording except variation of goods listed).

 

Efter Reqvisition fra Lensmand Blir paa Kobberslager D. B. Arentz’s Vegne,

grundet på Panteobligation og Kommisjonsforlig af 9de Dennes, bliver Torsdagen den 4de Januar førstkommende, Kl. 2 Eftermiddag,

offentlig Auction afholdt i Kobberslager Arentz iboende Huus heri Byen, over endeel, Handelsmand Samuel Arentz tilhørende Krambodvarer, bestående i Bomuldstøier, Tørklæder, Baand, Tegnebøger, Børster, forskjellige Jernvarer, Speile, Knappe, Lak, 5 Stk. Skindburer, f(s)aa? og over 11 Stkr. Birketræes Stole, et Do. Bord, 1 Do. Sheffounie(?) og 5 Stkr. Skilderier m. m., der Alt af S. Arentz er pantsat til førnævnte Kobberslager Arentz for Gjeld. Conditionerne erfares paa Auctionsstedet, hvortil Lysthavende indbydes.

 

Stavanger Byfogedcontoir den 16de Decbr. 1843.
Christensen

 

 

I’m not translating the whole piece, but it states Samuel Arentz had mortgaged these goods to his father and his father now sold these items by auction.

 

This suggests trader Samuel Arentz had a shop in Stavanger at the time (1840’s) and perhaps funded his trip & startup in the US by mortgaging his assets?

 

Question: Had he already left Norway by December 1843 or was he about to do so in 1844?

 

I do see that several newspapers (OBIT 1900) wrote he arrived in 1842.

 

Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois • Thu, 20 Dec 1900 Page 7 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune/144297199/

 

The Hartford Press Hartford, Wisconsin • Thu, 27 Dec 1900 Page 1 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-hartford-press/144297010/

 

Thank you so much! I tried to screengrab and read the announcements, but they were too blurry. These are all very good insights and raise even more questions (while also answering them). Where was the shop in Stavanger located? Also, did Samuel emigrate in 1842 (as these obits suggest) or 1843, (as the profile in the Skandinaven and family trees had suggested) Also of note: the Wisconsin newspaper does give some clues as to why Samuel Arentz does not show up in the Ellis Island records: He travelled via the Erie Canal and the lakes, not via New York. 

 

I also searched through the land registers for Hordaland yesterday and did come across an Arentz in there. The 1886 and 1838 land registers are found at The Norwegian Historical Data Centre and are Excel files, which can be downloaded. The give the name of the farm, the farm owner, and the amount of tax. Both farms and sub-farms are included. https://rhd.uit.no/matrikkel/Matr12-1838.zip

 

The Arentz entry does not have a first name but here's the other information: 

KNR (municipality number) 1240

surname of the land owner – Arentz

first name of the land owner or user – blank

Land number of farm – 059

GNAVN – Farm name – Mjaelde mittre

Holding Name – Nybo

[Egil Johannessen]

3 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

Samuel Arentz does not show up in the Ellis Island records:

 

He wouldn't' have come through Ellis Island - startup for EI was 1892. You can read more about Immigrant Processing Centers for New York here - https://www.genealogybranches.com/ellisisland/

[Sheryll Poe]

I also noticed a couple of other newspaper clippings from this earlier search that I can't read/translate. https://www.nb.no/search?q=%22samuel%20arentz%22&mediatype=aviser

 

This one in the Bergens Arbeiderblad, lørdag 21. november 1970 mentions an earlier Samuel Arentz (Samuel C.'s grandfather, b. 1761, d. 1801). I believe he was an undersurgeon at the Bergen Hospital back in the late 1700's, which seems to be what this article is about. https://www.nb.no/items/74d02b93bb0b7e667ec5ddf89f5c422a?page=5&searchText="samuel arentz"

 

Separately, this article (in the Bergens Aftenblad) seems to be an obit for Samuel C.'s wife, Bertha Marie. https://www.nb.no/items/9cbf4fc96901f587d64c18cf9ec66ab6?page=1&searchText="samuel arentz"

[Sheryll Poe]

3 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

He wouldn't' have come through Ellis Island - startup for EI was 1892. You can read more about Immigrant Processing Centers for New York here - https://www.genealogybranches.com/ellisisland/

Excellent! I did not know that. Very helpful. 

[Anton Hagelee]

Have you looked at the info on Norway Heritage for emigrant ships from Norway. Here is the list for 1843 

 

They have three from Bergen and one from Stavanger.  The passenger lists are included for these four. All appeared to have gone to New York.

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1843

[Anton Hagelee]

The list of ships from Norway in 1843 is much less promising as there are none listed for Bergen or Stavanger. 

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1842

 

 

[Sheryll Poe]

1 minute ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Have you looked at the info on Norway Heritage for emigrant ships from Norway. Here is the list for 1843 

 

They have three from Bergen and one from Stavanger.  The passenger lists are included for these four. All appeared to have gone to New York.

 

http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1843

I did look at those (what a great website!) and did not find Samuel Christopher, but I'll look again and add 1842 manifests to the search. 

[Sheryll Poe]

On 3/27/2024 at 11:20 AM, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Do you have sources confirming he lived in Bergen at that time?

No, I don't. He was born in Bergen but moved to Stavanger at some point, so that is indeed the most likely departure point. 

[Sheryll Poe]

No, I don't. The earlier Samuel (Samuel Martzen Arentz) did live in Bergen and worked at the Bergen Hospital. Samuel Christopher was born in Bergen, but appears to have moved to Stavanger at some point, thus it is likely that Stavanger was his departure point, in either 1842 or 1843. 

[Egil Johannessen]

I don't know if you already have this? Samuel Arentz mentioned as arrived in 1840.... Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois • Thu, 24 Jan 1889 Page 3 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-merry-old-norwegians/144301761/

[Sheryll Poe]

2 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

I don't know if you already have this? Samuel Arentz mentioned as arrived in 1840.... Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois • Thu, 24 Jan 1889 Page 3 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/chicago-tribune-merry-old-norwegians/144301761/

 

No, I had not come across this, although I did search the Chicago Tribune archives. No idea how I missed it. Thank you! (And so, we add yet ANOTHER date to the mystery!) 

[Egil Johannessen]

På 27.3.2024 den 13.28, Sheryll Poe skrev:

Does anyone have access to the passport records for the Bergen Police Chamber?

 

Bergen Police District, Passport Register, no. 3: 1836-1842 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/source/108052

 

Bergen Police District, Passport Register, no. 4: 1842-1848 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/source/108053

 

Bergen Police District, Passport Register, no. 5: 1848-1857 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/source/108054

 

Click Show content page - and it will show each year, example - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/db/contents/108052

[Sheryll Poe]

Another one I can't access because of IP address -- The Stavanger Civil Records (Stavanger borgerbog 1436-1850). However, I know that Samuel Christopher has an entry on page 321 and his father, Didrich Bay, has an entry on page 316. 

 

https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2016091248079

[Egil Johannessen]

5 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

Didrich Bay, has an entry on page 316. 

 

Anno 1841

 

[Egil Johannessen]

8 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

Samuel Christopher has an entry on page 321

 

Anno 1842

 

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[Sheryll Poe]

1 minute ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Anno 1841

 

From what I can tell, it says he was born in Bergen July 12, 1789, son of Sameul Arentsen and Anne Christine Olsen; was a citizen (until?) Sept. 6 when he travelled to America. 

[Sheryll Poe]

2 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Anno 1842

 

So this says he was born around 1817, a businessman? commerce exam? What is a "handelsexamen?" And then what do the two dates mean? April 29, 1842 and August 29? 

[Egil Johannessen]

7 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

was a citizen (until?) Sept. 6

 

Became Citizen Sept. 6 1841

 

7 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

when he travelled to America. 

 

No, just travelled to America - no date given

Endret Mars 28 av Egil Johannessen

[Egil Johannessen]

3 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

commerce exam?

 

Yes. Graduated 29. April 1842.

 

Became Citizen 29. August 1842.

[Egil Johannessen]

10 minutter siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

From what I can tell, it says he was born in Bergen July 12, 1789, son of Sameul Arentsen and Anne Christine Olsen

 

Correct, except it states baptized (døbt) July 12, 1789.

Endret Mars 28 av Egil Johannessen

[Sheryll Poe]

5 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

 

Yes. Graduated 29. April 1842.

 

Became Citizen 29. August 1842.

This is very odd. It says he became a citizen in August 1842, when most of our research has indicated he left for the U.S. somewhere between 1840-1843. Something is off....

[Egil Johannessen]

1 minutt siden, Sheryll Poe skrev:

Something is off....

 

I don't think so. Remember, most of the information regarding his arrival in US is given a long time after his travel (ref. newspapers).

 

 

[Egil Johannessen]

Regarding D B Arentz travel. In Stavanger Amtstidende og Adresseavis, Saturday 2. March 1850 - LINK - he announced: "anyone who has items for repair in my shop must collect them before 1. April, due to my departure"

 

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[Egil Johannessen]

In Bergenske Blade, Thursday, April 11, 1850 - LINK - I find this:

 

Passengers on Steamship "Prinds Carl" left (Bergen) 10. April.

 

To Stavanger: D. Arentz and daughter.

 

Perhaps he travelled on from Stavanger to US with one of his daughters?

 

Endret Mars 28 av Egil Johannessen

[Sheryll Poe]

10 minutes ago, Egil Johannessen said:

Regarding D B Arentz travel. In Stavanger Amtstidende og Adresseavis, Saturday 2. March 1850 - LINK - he announced: "anyone who has items for repair in my shop must collect them before 1. April, due to my departure"

 

Ooooh, good find!