Assistance with Anne Olsdr Tvedt, born ? 1806

[Karen Boudreau]

I am working on ancestors of my 2nd GGF, E Olaus Johansen Landsverk, who emigrated to Norway Lakes, Minnesota in the 1850s with his father, John Ellefson, and brother Ole Johansen.  His mother, and John Ellefson's wife, was Anne Olsdr, born in about 1806, I believe on the Tvedt farm, based on the marriage record of Anne and John in 1838 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070525310163).  However, her confirmation record (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070525310192) does not have her birthdate.  It lists her parents as Ole Olsen and Karen Elisabeth.  I believe they were married in 1813 (https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/pv00000001855895), which would be several years after Anne's birth. Both are listed as marrying for the first time.  I have scrolled through all of the churchbooks that I can find online, and can't seem to find Anne's birth, either in/around 1806, nor around/after the parents' marriage.  I recognize that Anne could be illegitimate, but then would she have her father's name?  Any suggestions?

 

Many thanks!

[Jackie K Marler]

She is always her father's daughter, so in most cases even through time, she will have a patronymic reflecting her father's name! 

A couple of your links don't work, at least not for me: the 1838 marriage and Anne's confirmation record.

[Anton Hagelee]

Well here is the original marriage of John and Anne Nr 3

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070525310163

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000003073343

 

 

Endret Juni 3 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

A long shot but an Ole Olsen and a Karen Elisabet Dittelsd had a child in 1820. Farm for Karen is Tvedt Korland. Not your Annie but maybe a sibling and it gives us a last name for Karen Elisabet. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000037699894

 

Nr 24

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070525310537

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013412957

 

 

Endret Juni 3 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Died in 1853

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000013412957

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is an Annie Olsdatter farm is Tvedt under Aas. Father is Ole Olsen and mother is Karen Elisabeth. Confirmation record. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000002906020

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

A Peder born in 1827

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/279/pk00000002908333

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Difficult to find her. The closest I get is Ole Ditlef Olsen. 

 

Ole Ditlef Olsen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NameOle Ditlef Olsen

GenderMale

Birth Date1. okt 1818 (1 Oct 1818)

Baptism Date4. okt 1818 (4 Oct 1818)

Baptism PlaceEvje,Aust-Agder,Norway

FatherOle Olsen

MotherKaren Ditlefsdr

FHL Film Number123524

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/12747181:60092?tid=&pid=&queryId=08f55ba7-0535-4098-941a-409a693b2f84&_phsrc=DXu13&_phstart=successSource

 

Nr 36

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070525310033

 

 

 

 

Endret Juni 3 av Anton Hagelee

[Karen Boudreau]

Wow - thank you all for your quick responses!  Yes, that's Anne's confirmation.

 

I have since found Ole and Karen's marriage (she is sometimes referred to as Karen Elisabeth, and others Karen +/- Elisabeth Ditelvsdr Mÿre.  They married in 1813 (https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9448/89 halfway down the left page) - no recognizable parents listed.  I believe Ole's father Ole died in 1810, and Karen's father in 1788.  They had a number of children from 1814 (Ole Ditlev) through 1827 (Peder).  I think Ole died in 1845, and Karen (as Anton noted above, in 1853 as a widow)

 

I also found an Anne born to and Ole Olsen and Karen in Kristiansand in 1811 before they were married.  https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/9561/326  I wondered if Ole left the farm sometime after 1801 after his father died, to work in the city, then came back by 1813?  The names are right, but would indicate afair degree of distance moved by both Ole and Karen, who appears to have been born in Glemmen, Ostfold, which is pretty far away.

Endret Juni 3 av Karen Boudreau

[Anton Hagelee]

15 minutes ago, Karen Boudreau said:

distance moved by both Ole and Karen, who appears to have been born in Glemmen, Ostfold, which is pretty far away.

 

Why do you think they were born in Østfold?

Endret Juni 3 av Anton Hagelee

[Karen Boudreau]

The only birth that I could find (and only on Ancestry) for Karen Elisabeth Ditlevsdr was in Glemmen in 1779

[Anton Hagelee]

Well that is only one of the pair but it is quite a good candidate.

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is another child of the couple. They are living in Kristansand. 

 

Olene Livia Olesdatter

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NameOlene Livia Olesdatter

GenderFemale

Birth Date20. jan 1816 (20 Jan 1816)

Baptism Date6. feb 1816 (6 Feb 1816)

Baptism PlaceKristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway

FatherOle Olsen Tved

MotherKaren Ditlevsdr Myhren

FHL Film Number127313

Reference ID2:1JTPKF7

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/20471188:60092

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Perhaps Ole Olsen was born in Evje. Here is a candidate associated with the Tvedt farm. Born in 1781 and died in 1845.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000005921294

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is the family in the 1801 Census. Farm is Tved ved Holland. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058330002484

 

And a Family Tree from Ancestry.com

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/23616659/person/1409092958/facts

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Probable mother of Karen Elisabeth. In 1801 Census. Named Livia Endrea Endresen. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058191002725

 

 

 

 

Endret Juni 3 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

FWIW. The mother of the Ole Olsen found in the 1801 Census listed above was named Anne. First daughter of Ole Olsen and Karen Elisabeth was named Anne. 

 

Mother of Karen Elisabeth was named Livia Endrea. Second daughter of Ole Olsen and Karen Elisabeth was named Olivia Lovise. Not exact but close. 

 

 

[Karen Boudreau]

This is fabulous and so helpful!  I had found Oline's confirmation record in 1830, but couldn't find her birth, so this fits perfectly.  Wow - I really love and appreciate the crowdsourcing/community support!

 

Karen

[Karen Boudreau]

Ditlev died in 1788, and the 1801 census,  shows Livia receiving "20rd aarlig af mad. nielsens legatum" which I take to mean 20rd annually from mad. nielsens legacy"  Her mother was a Ragnar Elis Niesldr, so I wonder if that legacy came down to her from a grandparent. Still hunting on that one.

Endret Juni 3 av Karen Boudreau

[Karen Boudreau]

Also, Karen's father was Ditlev Pedesen Myhre, died 16 Apr 1788.  Looks like it says his age was 41 years, 3 mos, 3 days at the time of death.  Can anyone transribe the rest of the entry?

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7453/136

[Ola Teige]

"16de April  en onsdag blev begravet Procurator Ditlev Mÿhre fra Lÿkkeberg, ved forstaden, 41 aar 3 maaneder og 3 uger" 

 

"April 16th, a wednesday, attorney Ditlev Myhre from Lykkeberg by the suburb, 41 years, 3 moons, 3 weeks."

 

The suburb in question, is the one around the fortress city of Fredrikstad, just south of Glemmen parish. Lykkeberg is now a stately old villa from the 1870ies in the center pf Fredrikstad city next to the town hall, but the name of the property is older.  On the map

Endret Juni 3 av Ola Teige

[Karen Boudreau]

Fabulous - thank you, Ola!

[Ola Teige]

There is a small biography of him in a book about lawyers and advocates i Norway; Finne-Grønn, S. H., Norges prokuratorer, sakførere og advokater 1660-1905, b. 1 De embedsmæssig utnævnte prokuratorer 1660-1814, Oslo 1936.

 

I’m sure a kind soul can translate this for you if needed.

 

 

[Karen Boudreau]

Oh that's so cool!  Thank you!