Oscar Francis Hallett born in Bergen Norway 27th November 1891. Mother was Mary Christianson & Father was Carl Oscar Hallett

[Christine Hallett]

Hello, Can someone please help me try to find records for my GGF Oscar Francis Hallett born in Bergen Norway 27th November 1891.

Mother was Mary Christianson born in Norway & Father was Carl Oscar Hallett Born in USA?

 

I have records from Australia however trying to find out my ancestors and records prior to arriving in Australia. 

 

Any help very much appreciated.

 

 

Endret August 14 av ChristineH
Only looking for records from outside Australia

[Grethe Flood]

???

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/270930468/francis-oscar-hallett

Francis Oscar Hallett

Birth

1891

Bergen, Bergen kommune, Hordaland fylke, Norway

Death

28 Feb 1958 (aged 66–67)

Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia

Burial

Fawkner Memorial Park

Fawkner, Merri-bek City, Victoria, AustraliaAdd to Map

Plot

The cremated remains have been collected.

Memorial ID

270930468 · View Source

The marriage of Constance Lilian CAMERON and Francis Oscar HALLETT was recorded as BDM Victoria Marriage Registration # 6357 / 1922.

 

BDM Victoria Death Registration # 2229 / 1958 for Francis Oscar HALLETT shows he was born in Bergen, Norway and died at the age of 67 years in Melbourne.

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Inscription

Aged 67 years

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Family Members

Spouse

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  Constance Lilian Stevens Hallett

  1893–1975 (m. 1922)

Endret August 14 av Grethe Flood

[Christine Hallett]

yes thankyou, I have records from Australia, I am looking for confirmation of his birth in Norway as stated on his naturalisation documents I have and also his parents names as I can not find any documents proving their names except what he has put on his naturalisation applications.

Endret August 14 av ChristineH

[Jackie K Marler]

Okay, so when did he get to Australia?

[Allan Frantzen]

The Age - 4. juni 1930

https://www.myheritage.no/research/collection-11023/australia-newspapers?itemId=13684594&snippet=833ee110cf8adfebc04d4c900adb2bbf&action=showRecord&recordTitle=oscar+hallet#fullscreen

[Jackie K Marler]

Hallett is not really a "Norwegian" name, nor is Francis.  Here are search results at the Digitalarkivet for any male child born 27 Nov 1890, 27 Nov 1891, 27 Nov 1892, whose mother's name contained Mar* as reflected in church birth / baptism records that are part of the indexed records:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&lt[]=dp&firstname=&lastname=&genders[]=m&birth_year_from=1890&birth_year_to=1892&birth_date=11-27&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=mar*&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=

 

Here is the breakdown by geography (none in Bergen):

Endret August 16 av Jackie K Marler

[Grethe Flood]

I also wonder that Oscar Francis or Francis Oscar can have a father born in USA, when born in Bergen, Norway. 

 

Do you have any further information on Carl Oscar Hallett? Was he married to Mary Christianson? Did Francis Oscar have any siblings?

Endret August 16 av Grethe Flood

[Rune Thorstensen]

This is all I got searching for last name Hallett*

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/persons/advanced?no_alias=1&from=&to=&firstname=&lastname=Hallett*&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=

[Christine Hallett]

On 8/14/2024 at 12:49 PM, ChristineH said:

Hello, Can someone please help me try to find records for my GGF Oscar Francis Hallett born in Bergen Norway 27th November 1891.

Mother was Mary Christianson born in Norway & Father was Carl Oscar Hallett Born in USA?

 

I have records from Australia however trying to find out my ancestors and records prior to arriving in Australia. 

 

Any help very much appreciated.

 

 

 

[Christine Hallett]

On 8/14/2024 at 12:49 PM, ChristineH said:

Hello, Can someone please help me try to find records for my GGF Oscar Francis Hallett born in Bergen Norway 27th November 1891.

Mother was Mary Christianson born in Norway & Father was Carl Oscar Hallett Born in USA?

 

I have records from Australia however trying to find out my ancestors and records prior to arriving in Australia. 

 

Any help very much appreciated.

 

edit: I have attached his naturalisation stat Dec application from Aus and also his marriage certificate hoping that may help 🙂

 

[Christine Hallett]

10 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Hallett is not really a "Norwegian" name, nor is Francis.  Here are search results at the Digitalarkivet for any male child born 27 Nov 1890, 27 Nov 1891, 27 Nov 1892, whose mother's name contained Mar* as reflected in church birth / baptism records that are part of the indexed records:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&lt[]=dp&firstname=&lastname=&genders[]=m&birth_year_from=1890&birth_year_to=1892&birth_date=11-27&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=mar*&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=

 

Here is the breakdown by geography (none in Bergen):

Thank you, his mother was Norwegian Mary Christianson whom married Carl (or Charles) Oscar Hallett apparently USA born however Oscsr Francis has stated he was born in Norway.

[Christine Hallett]

21 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Hallett is not really a "Norwegian" name, nor is Francis.  Here are search results at the Digitalarkivet for any male child born 27 Nov 1890, 27 Nov 1891, 27 Nov 1892, whose mother's name contained Mar* as reflected in church birth / baptism records that are part of the indexed records:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&lt[]=dp&firstname=&lastname=&genders[]=m&birth_year_from=1890&birth_year_to=1892&birth_date=11-27&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=mar*&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=

 

Here is the breakdown by geography (none in Bergen):

Thanks so much, do you know what Legitimate/Illegitimate born with an e as the answer means? Thinking maybe he was born illegitimate possibly? Although his marriage cert. States parents married. 

 

Endret August 17 av ChristineH

[Christine Hallett]

12 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Hallett is not really a "Norwegian" name, nor is Francis.  Here are search results at the Digitalarkivet for any male child born 27 Nov 1890, 27 Nov 1891, 27 Nov 1892, whose mother's name contained Mar* as reflected in church birth / baptism records that are part of the indexed records:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&lt[]=dp&firstname=&lastname=&genders[]=m&birth_year_from=1890&birth_year_to=1892&birth_date=11-27&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=mar*&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=

 

Here is the breakdown by geography (none in Bergen):

I have come across Hordaland, Bergen, Norway in my records for some reason so wondering if Hordaland is his actual birthplace rather than Bergen?

 

[Christine Hallett]

13 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

I also wonder that Oscar Francis or Francis Oscar can have a father born in USA, when born in Bergen, Norway. 

 

Do you have any further information on Carl Oscar Hallett? Was he married to Mary Christianson? Did Francis Oscar have any siblings?

Hi Grethe, I have attached hi marriage certificate that actually states Charles as father however he has stated Carl on naturalisation documents which I have also attached.

[Grethe Flood]

I've already studied the attachments, but it's still not easy to find any information on Francis/Frank and his parents. I can see that his father's name also is spelled Charles Hallett. I also see that Francis/Frank Hallett arrived from England in 1910. 

 

Since his father's name also is mentioned as Carl Oscar, can it be a possibility that he originally was Norwegian and later on applied for American citizenship? And where did Frank's parents live when Frank got married? Is it possible that Hallett can be an English equivalent to a Norwegian family- or farm name? 

 

Just more questions and no answers... 🤔

[Rune Thorstensen]

Searching for farm names Hallett*, gave nothing.

 

But searching for Hallet* gave 7 options.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/properties?s=&from=&to=&municipality_parish=&address=Hallet*&municipality_no=&plot_no=&unit_no=&property_no=&serial_no=&urban_property_no=&fire_ass_no=

Endret August 17 av Rune Thorstensen

[Christine Hallett]

2 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

I've already studied the attachments, but it's still not easy to find any information on Francis/Frank and his parents. I can see that his father's name also is spelled Charles Hallett. I also see that Francis/Frank Hallett arrived from England in 1910. 

 

Since his father's name also is mentioned as Carl Oscar, can it be a possibility that he originally was Norwegian and later on applied for American citizenship? And where did Frank's parents live when Frank got married? Is it possible that Hallett can be an English equivalent to a Norwegian family- or farm name? 

 

Just more questions and no answers... 🤔

I found this link stating Carl Oscar Andersen is their foster son? However it confuses me why he has their surname??

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052152005909carl oscar foster son.pdf

Endret August 17 av ChristineH
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[Christine Hallett]

1 hour ago, Rune Thorstensen said:

Searching for farm names Hallett*, gave nothing.

 

But searching for Hallet* gave 7 options.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/properties?s=&from=&to=&municipality_parish=&address=Hallet*&municipality_no=&plot_no=&unit_no=&property_no=&serial_no=&urban_property_no=&fire_ass_no=

Thank you, I am sorry I really don't understand what is meant by farm names?  

I see you are from Bergen 🙂

[Rune Thorstensen]

It is a list of places/Farms that was namet Hallet. People outside cities often took the name of the place they lived as a part of their Name.

As I wrote there are no places in Norway named Hallett but 7  spelled Hallet.

Amongst them is a place in Tysnes, Hordaland. Not far from Bergen.

I do not know if any of these places has anything to do with the people you are looking for.

[Jackie K Marler]

An exceeding long shot.  No mention found of children although there is a marriage for  him mentioned prior to 1891, but no occupation indicating a connection to Norway

New York Sun Tuesday 31 January 1939 page 19 Society col 2

 

[Ivar Moe]

Possible father of Oscar visited Bergen and had a son. Mother may have had many surnames at the time, as there were several options. She could call herself her father's last name. Or use her father's first name + sen(son). Or the farm/place where father came from or was employed or she was born. But if Oscar was born in Bergen/Hordaland, we Norwegian genealogists should be able to find this out

 

Another possibility is that "Mary" has been in the United States, became pregnant, but returned home before giving birth.

 

The last possibility is that Oscar was born in Bergen but that his mother/parents left there before he was baptized.

 

If there are no traces here, then he either had something to hide, found himself a new name, or comes from another place called Bergen. For example Bergen op zoom in Netherlands etc

 

Brg

Ivar

Endret August 17 av Ivar Moe

[Jackie K Marler]

11 hours ago, ChristineH said:

Thank you, I am sorry I really don't understand what is meant by farm names?  

I see you are from Bergen 🙂

Every farm in Norway has a name.  A farm name is added to your given name (given to you at your baptism) and the patronymic which is your father's given name with son or daughter added to it depending on your gender.  The farm name functions as an identifier about your address.  As long as you live on the farm, you may add the farm name to your given and patronymic.  When you move to another farm you then adopt that farm name instead of your prior address.  This system worked for a long time. 

[Ivar Moe]

31 minutter siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

Every farm in Norway has a name.  A farm name is added to your given name (given to you at your baptism) and the patronymic which is your father's given name with son or daughter added to it depending on your gender.  The farm name functions as an identifier about your address.  As long as you live on the farm, you may add the farm name to your given and patronymic.  When you move to another farm you then adopt that farm name instead of your prior address.  This system worked for a long time. 

 

Yes, but many others here on the forum know more about this than I do. My relatives from the countryside used "farm" and father's surname as it suited them  (or whatever suited the priest) He wrote what he wanted. Normally the name written at baptism became the name used

Endret August 17 av Ivar Moe

[Jackie K Marler]

Every rule is meant to be broken.  And when the Norwegians came over here they made many adjustments since our system had evolved to be an inherited surname you got from your father, which mostly wasn't in play in Norway (some exceptions however.)

 

Here are Mar* Christians* b 1844 to 1872 who are living in Bergen and parishes in Hordaland in the 1891 census taken 1 January 1891:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt[]=3&c[]=12&m[]=1301&firstname=mar*&lastname=christians*&genders[]=k&birth_year_from=1844&birth_year_to=1874&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel

[Ivar Moe]

Here is an example

 

John Edvard Olsen Halet - Ministerialbok for Kristiansund prestegjeld, Kristiansund sokn 1880-1905 (1503Q) - Digitalarkivet