Oscar Francis Hallett born in Bergen Norway 27th November 1891. Mother was Mary Christianson & Father was Carl Oscar Hallett

[Ivar Moe]

Ivar S Ertesvåg er meget velkommen her. Etternavns bruk. Halet fra Kristiansund. (expert)

 

I hope he stops by

Endret August 17 av Ivar Moe

[Christine Hallett]

10 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

An exceeding long shot.  No mention found of children although there is a marriage for  him mentioned prior to 1891, but no occupation indicating a connection to Norway

New York Sun Tuesday 31 January 1939 page 19 Society col 2

 

My GGF listed his father as an Engineer so may tie in?

[Jackie K Marler]

Well actually old time lighting plants did have people called engineers.  But there are numerous Charles Hallett engaged as engineers, civil as well as "stationary" in various census records.  Using Ancestry you can include the word engineer (exact) and the search engine will find them.  When I looked this pm there was one in Massachusetts,and  if I remember correctly one in New York.  I don't have Ancestry at home, though.

[Christine Hallett]

18th Aug 24 - I have messaged my 2nd cousin so she is Oscar Francis Grand Daughter and is confused by what Oscar has put in his application as she has always been told Oscar was born in Bergen Norway however Carl or Charles Oscar Hallet was born in Shropshire England not USA as on Oscars naturalisation stat Dec? So this now raises more questions.  So I am thinking the possibility of Frederick Hallett as listed in Norway census from Hull England could possibly be the mysterious Carl/Charles Hallett noted by Oscar Francis for some reason? Maybe because he left Norway so young he may have been confused???

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053030010637

[Jackie K Marler]

Well sure.  The only reason you know your own birthdate is because you're told by your family and the information is reinforced by repeated celebrations through years.  You were there but not really in any position to be a good witness!

 

Maybe a timeline could help?

27 Nov 1891 Bergen Norway

April 1910 arrival at Williamstown, Australia  etc.

 

Does the Crocodile reference sound like it's the name of ship he came on from England.  What would be the most typical way to travel the ocean from England to Australia in 1910?

 

 

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

So here are Mar* Christians* b 1844-1874 but in More og Romsdal in the 1891 census:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&jt[]=3&c[]=15&firstname=mar*&lastname=christian*&genders[]=k&birth_year_from=1844&birth_year_to=1874&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel

[Matthias Kolberg]

4 timer siden, Ivar Moe skrev:

Here is an example

 

John Edvard Olsen Halet - Ministerialbok for Kristiansund prestegjeld, Kristiansund sokn 1880-1905 (1503Q) - Digitalarkivet

This one is from Halset, not Halet. Halset paa Bergsø i Øre nye Prestegjeld

[Jackie K Marler]

This is possibly the fellow Frederick in Norway in 1891:

Name	Frederick Charles Hallatt
Event Type	Birth Registration
Event Date	1864
Event Place	Hull, Yorkshire, England
Registration District	Hull
Page	207
Volume	9D
Affiliate Line Number	23
Registration Quarter	Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year	1864 "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XM8-PKB : 1 October 2014), Frederick Charles Hallatt, 1864; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Hull, Yorkshire, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.

[Matthias Kolberg]

36 minutter siden, ChristineH skrev:

So I am thinking the possibility of Frederick Hallett as listed in Norway census from Hull England could possibly be the mysterious Carl/Charles Hallett noted by Oscar Francis for some reason? Maybe because he left Norway so young he may have been confused???

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053030010637

This is a ship list from the 1891 census. Frederick Hallett was crew onboard the ship S/S Bravo

Endret August 18 av Matthias Kolberg

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is a family tree including Frederick:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L5FL-NHS

 

There is someone wanting to collaborate on Frederick in 2016 with an email address registered on the tree.

[Matthias Kolberg]

28 minutter siden, Matthias Kolberg skrev:

This is a ship list from the 1891 census. Frederick Hallett was crew onboard the ship S/S Bravo

The census was recorded on the 1st of January 1891.

Bravo sailed from Kristiansund on the 15th of January to Hull, and also stopped in Bergen on the way.

[Jackie K Marler]

#36698 death:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996P-KZJ2?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ACJXH-KQT2&action=view

[Christine Hallett]

2 hours ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

The census was recorded on the 1st of January 1891.

Bravo sailed from Kristiansund on the 15th of January to Hull, and also stopped in Bergen on the way.

OK that sounds like a possibility, thankyou so much. I wonder if it went from Kristiansund to Bergen how long that journey would have taken back then as it doesn't look too far. For my GGF to be born on 27th Nov 1891 in Bergen (although this is proving difficult to find) that would mean he would have been conceived around end of Feb. 1891.?

[Christine Hallett]

3 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Here is a family tree including Frederick:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L5FL-NHS

 

There is someone wanting to collaborate on Frederick in 2016 with an email address registered on the tree.

Thanks but nothing on that tree ties in 🙂

[Henrik Ormbostad]

9 hours ago, Ivar Moe said:

Here is an example

 

John Edvard Olsen Halet - Ministerialbok for Kristiansund prestegjeld, Kristiansund sokn 1880-1905 (1503Q) - Digitalarkivet

John er nok fra Halset på Bergsøya i Øre prestegjeld i dagens Gjemnes kommune i Møre og Romsdal fylke. Kanskje Hallett er avledet fra Halset?

[Matthias Kolberg]

13 minutter siden, Henrik Ormbostad skrev:

John er nok fra Halset på Bergsøya i Øre prestegjeld i dagens Gjemnes kommune i Møre og Romsdal fylke. Kanskje Hallett er avledet fra Halset?

Her er det vel bare snakk om en feiltranskripsjon. Har ingenting med Hallett å gjøre

Endret August 18 av Matthias Kolberg

[Henrik Ormbostad]

1 hour ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

Her er det vel bare snakk om en feiltranskripsjon. Har ingenting med Hallett å gjøre

Jeg leste i originalen i kirkeboka som det var linket til over. Der står det Halset, men om det har noe med Hallett å gjøre er vel tvilsomt. 

[Inger Hohler]

I'm trying to follow the chronology here. He claims to have been born i November 1891, which was too late to be registered in the 1891 census. He would still be a child in 1900, and as he claimed to have lived in Norway until an age where he could work as a sailor, I expect he woud be at least 14-15 y old when he left.  

If he was born here and lived here until he could be expected to work as a sailor, he shoud have left a
Baptism record
1900 census record
Confirmation record
Quite possibly a record as a sailor 

 

He claims he arrived at Willliamstown, by 'Crocodile' from England in 1910, when he would have been 19. Unfortunately there are no passenger records for 'Crocodile' in the Australian records https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch_Ships.aspx
'Crocodile' can't be the British Navy ship, because those by that name no longer existed when O. F. Hallett in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Crocodile

There exists a photograph from 1904 of a pair of sailors eating aboard one 'Crocodile', a four master bark which sailed between Australia and England with wheat. I have no idea of this is the same ship as above, or if it was the ship that brought O.F. Hallett to Australia. https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/65d803e7fb431f1221ccf073

This is probably that four master bark https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/1/75

According to his own report, after leaving Norway he worked as a sailor for about 7 years. It is not clear if he worked as a sailor after relocating to Australia. If he was 14 when he left, he woud be 21 y of age when he arrived in Australia, and the year would be 1891 + 21 = 1912. However, he claimed to have arrived in Australia in 1910, which means he would have had to go to sea at the age of 12 if he found other work after moving to Australia. 
As he applied for naturalization in 1939, and only listed how long he stayed at 3 of the 8 locations in Australia, he may well have been a sailor after he arrived in Australia. 

As for records of him, this seems to be another one from Autralia, https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1144248&isAv=N

[Christine Hallett]

1 hour ago, Inger Hohler said:

I'm trying to follow the chronology here. He claims to have been born i November 1891, which was too late to be registered in the 1891 census. He would still be a child in 1900, and as he claimed to have lived in Norway until an age where he could work as a sailor, I expect he woud be at least 14-15 y old when he left.  

If he was born here and lived here until he could be expected to work as a sailor, he shoud have left a
Baptism record
1900 census record
Confirmation record
Quite possibly a record as a sailor 

 

He claims he arrived at Willliamstown, by 'Crocodile' from England in 1910, when he would have been 19. Unfortunately there are no passenger records for 'Crocodile' in the Australian records https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch_Ships.aspx
'Crocodile' can't be the British Navy ship, because those by that name no longer existed when O. F. Hallett in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Crocodile

There exists a photograph from 1904 of a pair of sailors eating aboard one 'Crocodile', a four master bark which sailed between Australia and England with wheat. I have no idea of this is the same ship as above, or if it was the ship that brought O.F. Hallett to Australia. https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/65d803e7fb431f1221ccf073

This is probably that four master bark https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/1/75

According to his own report, after leaving Norway he worked as a sailor for about 7 years. It is not clear if he worked as a sailor after relocating to Australia. If he was 14 when he left, he woud be 21 y of age when he arrived in Australia, and the year would be 1891 + 21 = 1912. However, he claimed to have arrived in Australia in 1910, which means he would have had to go to sea at the age of 12 if he found other work after moving to Australia. 
As he applied for naturalization in 1939, and only listed how long he stayed at 3 of the 8 locations in Australia, he may well have been a sailor after he arrived in Australia. 

As for records of him, this seems to be another one from Autralia, https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1144248&isAv=N

Thank you for all your time taken researching for me. I have attached some documents, his marriage cert. In Aus, his work as a painter and he actually applied twice for naturalisation. The first one expired and it was 9 years later when he submitted his documents again for naturalisation. I am wondering if his dob is true and correct as he never provided documents proving this. 1930 appl. he states Newcastle on tyne as the ship whereas on his 1939 app he states SS Crocodile, also on his 1930 app question 10 has a typo as the years don't add up. 12 yo seems too young to be working on steamers and ships? Which is why I wonder if his dob is correct hence why I am trying to clarify this. 

I am very appreciative with your help and will look over the links you have provided. Thanks again 🙂 

please see additional documents attached below. 

 

On 8/17/2024 at 6:24 PM, Grethe Flood said:

I've already studied the attachments, but it's still not easy to find any information on Francis/Frank and his parents. I can see that his father's name also is spelled Charles Hallett. I also see that Francis/Frank Hallett arrived from England in 1910. 

 

Since his father's name also is mentioned as Carl Oscar, can it be a possibility that he originally was Norwegian and later on applied for American citizenship? And where did Frank's parents live when Frank got married? Is it possible that Hallett can be an English equivalent to a Norwegian family- or farm name? 

 

Just more questions and no answers... 🤔

 

On 8/17/2024 at 6:40 PM, Rune Thorstensen said:

Searching for farm names Hallett*, gave nothing.

 

But searching for Hallet* gave 7 options.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/properties?s=&from=&to=&municipality_parish=&address=Hallet*&municipality_no=&plot_no=&unit_no=&property_no=&serial_no=&urban_property_no=&fire_ass_no=

 

8 hours ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

The census was recorded on the 1st of January 1891.

Bravo sailed from Kristiansund on the 15th of January to Hull, and also stopped in Bergen on the way.

 

Endret August 18 av ChristineH

[Jackie K Marler]

5 hours ago, ChristineH said:

Thanks but nothing on that tree ties in 🙂

Well, he appears to be the Frederick Hallet in the Norwegian 1891 census, born in Hull, England in 1864.  His middle name is Charles.  At his death his occupation was "shipwright", so very probably ocean-going, and his presence in Norway at just the moment when Oscar would have been conceived is also fortuitous ...

 

The tree might help if you end up doing DNA as Frederick came from a large family, you might find his descendants (he married in 1893 and had 3 children) or descendants of his siblings to test.... So keep your powder dry and  keep in mind it might come down to testing.

[Jackie K Marler]

Newcastle-on-Tyne might be a ship but most likely is the place in England he left from.  In the earlier memory it just says he left from England, not saying where in England.

 

Here is a link to a discussion about sailor records in Norway: http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/genealogy.asp?articleid=4&zoneid=2

Endret August 18 av Jackie K Marler

[Christine Hallett]

8 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Newcastle-on-Tyne might be a ship but most likely is the place in England he left from.  In the earlier memory it just says he left from England, not saying where in England.

 

Here is a link to a discussion about sailor records in Norway: http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/genealogy.asp?articleid=4&zoneid=2

Wow! Thank you so much, I will definitely look at that today. 🙂

[Jackie K Marler]

Another exceeding long shot.  Bottom of left page last entry 1909 Frants Oscar Holen / Solen(better interpretation asked) born nov 1891  leaving for America:

Skoger kirkebøker, SAKO/A-59/F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1885-1910, p. 428
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060807020654

 

This is probably the migrant above with patronymic Ellingson and headed for Tray (prob Troy) New York:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000596299

 

Unfortunately can't be your guy, here applying for US passport: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99XM-JNQQ?view=index&action=view

 

 

Endret August 18 av Jackie K Marler

[Christine Hallett]

46 minutes ago, Jackie K Marler said:

Another exceeding long shot.  Bottom of left page last entry 1909 Frants Oscar Holen / Solen(better interpretation asked) born nov 1891  leaving for America:

Skoger kirkebøker, SAKO/A-59/F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. I 6, 1885-1910, p. 428
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060807020654

 

This is probably the migrant above with patronymic Ellingson and headed for Tray (prob Troy) New York:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000596299

 

This is interesting as he was born in Nov 1891, I wish I could understand the document. The persons listed above him, are they different names?

 

Endret August 18 av ChristineH

[Christine Hallett]

I have found this record?