Ancestor Was Born Illegitimately And Having a Hard Time Finding Grandparents

[Rune Thorstensen]

Parents of Axel Frederick Svendsen.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/persons/advanced?no_alias=1&from=1865&to=1880&m[]=0301&firstname=Johan&lastname=Svendsen*&roles[]=far&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=Berthe*&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&related_roles[]=mor&sort=rel

 

Johan Svendsen and Birthe Larsdtr. was married 09.06.1862  in Østre Aker, Akershus.

His father was Svend Rasmussen Linderudhagen.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000005155361

 

I do not now if this is related to your search.

[Inger Hohler]

Rune beat me to it 🙂

The Axel Frederik Svendsen who was born i Oslo in the Grønland parisk Oct.24th 1877 was the son of one
worker Johan Svendsen and his wife Berthe Larsen. From his christening record he had sponsors Ragna Larsen, Thea Olsen, Rasmus Svendsen and Carl Svendsen. 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921030040

The parents were probably married in 1862 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106030562

The sponsor Rasmus Svendsen, same name for the best man at the above wedding, is a likely name for a brother of Johan Svendsen, since the Johan Svendsen who married Berthe  Larsen in 1862 had a father named Svend Rasmusen. He was living at Linderudhagen. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106030562 Berthe Laren's father was Lars Olsen from Moeie in Sörum.

 

Johan and Berthe had several children. 

Caroline Sofie 1864 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010702

Johan Svendsen 1868 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010915

Mathilde Lovise born in 1870 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216011067

His sister Anne Marie received her confirmation at Kampen i Oslo in 1892.She was born 1879.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060717020088

 

This Axel Frederik Svendsen married Marie Katrine Aaarbye in 1900. According to the information here he received his confirmation at  Kampen in 1890.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227010163

Here is the small family of thee in the 1900 census https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037045096423

 
He emigrated in 1902 - based on profession and name https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001061131

There were other Aksel/Axel Frederik Svendsen born around the same time, but not many. He seemed to travel without his family.

I'm not sure what the connection would be to the pilot Halvor Svendsen.

Endret Oktober 3 av Inger Hohler
1900 census AFS and family

[Inger Hohler]

The Otine/Stine/Oline Johannesdatter I mentioned was the mother of four children by the pilot Halvor Svendsen in Aakebergveien, but I haven't looked into her family background before.  All the information we have is from the 1875 census where her place of origin is Hedemarken and her birth year is 1837. She is not related to Hansine Anette that we know of, nor to her partner Halvor Svendsen the pilot.

[Avery Block]

2 hours ago, Inger Hohler said:

Rune beat me to it 🙂

The Axel Frederik Svendsen who was born i Oslo in the Grønland parisk Oct.24th 1877 was the son of one
worker Johan Svendsen and his wife Berthe Larsen. From his christening record he had sponsors Ragna Larsen, Thea Olsen, Rasmus Svendsen and Carl Svendsen. 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921030040

The parents were probably married in 1862 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106030562

The sponsor Rasmus Svendsen, same name for the best man at the above wedding, is a likely name for a brother of Johan Svendsen, since the Johan Svendsen who married Berthe  Larsen in 1862 had a father named Svend Rasmusen. He was living at Linderudhagen. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061106030562 Berthe Laren's father was Lars Olsen from Moeie in Sörum.

 

Johan and Berthe had several children. 

Caroline Sofie 1864 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010702

Johan Svendsen 1868 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010915

Mathilde Lovise born in 1870 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216011067

His sister Anne Marie received her confirmation at Kampen i Oslo in 1892.She was born 1879.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060717020088

 

This Axel Frederik Svendsen married Marie Katrine Aaarbye in 1900. According to the information here he received his confirmation at  Kampen in 1890.  https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227010163

Here is the small family of thee in the 1900 census https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037045096423

 
He emigrated in 1902 - based on profession and name https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001061131

There were other Aksel/Axel Frederik Svendsen born around the same time, but not many. He seemed to travel without his family.

I'm not sure what the connection would be to the pilot Halvor Svendsen.

Perhaps the connection is further back if their is one, but I suppose with Norwegian names Halvor being his brother would have made the most sense. And yeah, I knew that with Johannesdatter but I thought perhaps there could have been a connection, probably just someone with the same name. Based on what you said I would assume if there is a connection here perhaps Halvor would be a son of a brother of Johan I'll try looking around more, tell me if I'm not making sense, maybe I'm wasting time, but I feel like connection with the name and same place and DNA seems unlikely unless there is something there.

[Inger Hohler]

I know you have the Ancestry information at hand, but I firmly believe the Oline/Otine/Stine Johannesdatter who had 4 children by pilot  Halvor Svendsen was christened
Ottina Johannesdatter in Stange in 1837.

Her father was a Johannes Halvorsen and the mother one Kari Olsdatter HommestadEie. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070122340224
 

This couple had lots of children, some of which were probably sponsors to some of Otine's children by the pilot.
I've found lots about those siblings. Let me know if you want the information here orina private message. 

[Ivar Moe]

The rules here on this forum require full names of those who wish to participate. I recommend that you also comply with the regulations. Then I think this mystery will be solved

 

 

Svend Rasmusen Steen - Ministerialbok for Norderhov prestegjeld 1819-1837 (0613Q) - Digitalarkivet

Endret Oktober 4 av Ivar Moe

[Rune Thorstensen]

As I can see, they got 9 children, but no Halvor.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/persons/advanced?from=1826&to=1842&m[]=0301&c[]=06&firstname=Svend*&lastname=Rasmussen*&roles[]=far&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=Christine*&related_last_name=Andersd*&related_birth_year=&related_roles[]=mor&sort=rel

[Avery Block]

9 hours ago, Ivar Moe said:

The rules here on this forum require full names of those who wish to participate. I recommend that you also comply with the regulations. Then I think this mystery will be solved

 

 

Svend Rasmusen Steen - Ministerialbok for Norderhov prestegjeld 1819-1837 (0613Q) - Digitalarkivet

I am not sure how to change my name, my bad I didn't realize that was a requirement.

[Avery Block]

2 minutes ago, Rune Thorstensen said:

As I can see, they got 9 children, but no Halvor.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/search/persons/advanced?from=1826&to=1842&m[]=0301&c[]=06&firstname=Svend*&lastname=Rasmussen*&roles[]=far&birth_year_from=&birth_year_to=&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=Christine*&related_last_name=Andersd*&related_birth_year=&related_roles[]=mor&sort=rel

 

It's just a hunch they are related, it might be a further connection back, or maybe it's no connection at all, I suppose the focus should be on trying to connect the Halvor that was previously mentioned. I figured it was worth a shot at least. 

[Inger Hohler]

51 minutes ago, AveryFB said:

I am not sure how to change my name,

You'll find the instructions in English here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/content/change-display-name

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

2 timer siden, AveryFB skrev:

I am not sure how to change my name, my bad I didn't realize that was a requirement.

 

No requirement!

 

"We encourage everyone to use their first and last names as display names."

 

https://forum.arkivverket.no

 

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The moderators have recently closed 2 discussions about the use of full names.

 

Let's get back to the topic!

I have found several new sources and have tips on better DNA matches. I'll come back to that later...

Endret Oktober 5 av Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo

[Jackie K Marler]

3 hours ago, AveryFB said:

I am not sure how to change my name, my bad I didn't realize that was a requirement.

O Ack!  Another interesting topic experience about to be ruined by the self- appointed police...

 

Here is where to change  click on your name at the upper right and in the tab account settings make the change:

 

Since this keeps burbing up in topic after topic on the site, webmasters please correct so one cannot sign up without two full names!

 

 

[Avery Block]

23 minutes ago, Jackie K Marler said:

O Ack!  Another interesting topic experience about to be ruined by the self- appointed police...

 

Here is where to change  click on your name at the upper right and in the tab account settings make the change:

 

Since this keeps burbing up in topic after topic on the site, webmasters please correct so one cannot sign up without two full names!

 

 

Well, I did it, hopefully this topic hasn't gotten too derailed.... Lol

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

På 22.9.2024 den 18.04, Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo skrev:

Her er en meget god kandidat:

 

Pauline Olsdatter født 16.september 1830. Foreldre Ole Syversen og Helene Paulsdatter, Gaardmandsbraaten.

 

Akershus fylke, Ås, Nordby, Kroer i Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 5 (1827-1840), Fødte og døpte 1831, Side 50-51
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026040713

 

 

Ole Syversen og Helene Olsdatter flytter til Christiania:

Akershus fylke, Ås, Nordby, Kroer i Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1854-1870), Inn- og utflyttede 1858, Side 395
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927050592
 

Pauline har en søster, Mathea, født 1839:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000036629027

 

Akershus fylke, Ås, Nordby, Kroer i Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 5 (1827-1840), Fødte og døpte 1839, Side 460-461
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026050158
 

Mathea gifter seg 1861 med matros Jørgen Andersen (født i Hurum, mellom tidligere nevnte Asker og Sande) :

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000005629043

 

Oslo fylke, Grønland i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. 1 (1859-1861), Viede 1861, Side 333
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227040325

 

Mathea og Jørgen Andersen Sundby med barn:

FT1865 Kristiania
FT1875 Kristiania

FT1885 Kristiania

 

Ref Avery sitt familietre hos Ancestry:

 

Birth
Elfin Sorinus Johansen Sorenson was born on April 6, 1876, in Asker, Akershus, Norway, to Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter Svensen, age 24, and Johan Paulus Sørensen, age 35.

 

Dåpen: 

 

Akershus fylke, Vestre Bærum, Østre Bærum, Asker i Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 8 (1865-1878), Fødte og døpte 1876, Side 177
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060315011193
 

Første fadder er Mathea Sundby - Alette Hansine sin tante 🙂

 

    **********

 

Halvor Svendsen er vel fortsatt litt usikker?, men Pauline Olsdatter fra Ås i Akershus ser nå ut til å være mor til Alette Hansine - i følge kildene vi har henvist til.

 

    ************

Regarding DNA testing and matches:

I think most Norwegians use MyHeritage. I also have a DNA test at Ancestry, to find matches with Americans. But by transferring the DNA result to MyHeritage, I got matches with Norwegians.
I would recommend this to you, especially ref Halvor Svendsen.

How to upload AncestryDNA results to FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage:

 

https://www.nifhs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Uploading-AncestryDNA-to-FamilyTreeDNA-and-MyHeritage.pdf

 

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

På 1.10.2024 den 8.38, Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo skrev:

Othine Svendsen emigrerer 1887 med barna Sigrid og Freidel - reisemål Chicago:

 

Akershus, Oslo fylke, Emigrantprotokoll nr. 14 (1887-1888)
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110222670705

 

 

Emigration Ancestry

 

Census 1910 Chicago: 

 

Household Members (Name)    Age    Relationship
Oscar Carlson
44
Head
Sigrud J Carlson
40
Wife
Atinne Svendson    73    Mother-in-law

 

Census 1900 Chicago : Sigrid and husband Oscar:

Household Members (Name)    Age    Relationship
Oscar Charlson
34    Head
Sigrid G Charlson    29    Wife
Oscar Risting
27    Roomer
Sigrud Risting
22    Roomer

 

Death 1919 : Othine Svendsen in the Cook County, Illinois, U.S., Deaths Index, 1878-1922

 

Name    Othine Svendsen
[Othine Johannesen]
Birth Date    28 Feb 1837
Birth Place    Hedemarken, Norway
Death Date    2 Dec 1919
Death Place    Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date    6 Dec 1919
Burial Place    MT Olive
Death Age    82
Occupation    Housewife
Race    White
Marital Status    Widowed
Gender    Female
Residence    Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name    Halvor Johannesen
Father Birth Place    Hedemarken, Norway
Mother Name    Carrie Olslter
Mother Birth Place    Hedemarken, Norway
Spouse Name    Halvor Svendsen

 

Daughter Sigrid married Oscar Carlson and the couple lived in Chicago. I didn't find any children...
Son Frejdel died single before 1900.

 

If the couple had children, it might be possible to get a DNA-match, if the descendants have a test at "yours" Ancestry.

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

Halvor Svendsen - aka "Casanova" 😉

 

Father (divorced man) to a girl born 1864 in Asker - she is unchristened and nameless.
Mother is Louise Jensdatter, Aanderud-eie.

 

Akershus fylke, Asker, Vestre Bærum, Østre Bærum i Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1864, Side 478
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061114030661

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

21 timer siden, Inger Hohler skrev:

I know you have the Ancestry information at hand, but I firmly believe the Oline/Otine/Stine Johannesdatter who had 4 children by pilot  Halvor Svendsen was christened
Ottina Johannesdatter in Stange in 1837.

Her father was a Johannes Halvorsen and the mother one Kari Olsdatter HommestadEie. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070122340224

 

Inger,

 

FT1870 som du tidligere referte til med Halvor Svendsen sin familie:

 

Her finner vi Cari Hansen f. 1855 Stange.

Hun er vel datter til Ottina sin søster, Mathea Johannesdatter, HomerstadEie:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000011726819

 

Hedmark fylke, Stange, Ottestad i Stange, Ministerialbok nr. 12 (1852-1862), Fødte og døpte 1855, Side 44
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070123320559
 

Endret Oktober 5 av Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo

[Inger Hohler]

2 hours ago, Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo said:

Her finner vi Cari Hansen f. 1855 Stange.

Hun er vel datter til Ottina sin søster, Mathea Johannesdatter, HomerstadEie:

Ja så menn!
Store deler av søskenflokken til Ottina ser ut til å ha bodd i Oslo i alle fall i en periode. 

The first Berthe and the only Bernt died as infants/toddlers. Ole Johannes is the one I don't know what happened to after confirmation.

Those of Ottina's siblings I may have found as adults:

Inger Caroline moved to Christiania (Oslo) in 1858 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/291/pu00000000043893

In the 1875 census she was living in Akersgaten as a servant https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052055025754,samein 1891 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052721063400

She probably also went by the name Inger Johannesen. I think this is her in the 1865 census. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053324019013

This must be her in 1885, as the address is the same as in -75 and -91. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053257013916

She died, still an unmarried servant, in 1900 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061123340650

 

Eline may have moved to Oslo. Here's a servant from Stange with the right age and name in the 1870 census, unmarried https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053324014300

This may be her in the 1891 census, still unmarried, and ill. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052721101796

In the 1920 census she was a the Dikemark hospital (hospital for mental illnesses, this hospital did not exist in 1891), still unmarried.  The birth year is off by one, but the date is correct for Othine's sister. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01073682007755

 

The 1875 census has a Kristian Johannesen from Stange, of the right age. There's just one problem: If this is the brother of Othine he is not being truthful about his background in any other place I've encountered him. In the 1875 census he is a master planer and is married to Marie Svendsdatter from Dröbak. The had three boys at the time. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052055011994

I believe I have found his wedding in 1862. He's a carpenter. His father's name is supposed to be Johannes Davidsen, and his place of origin is Østre Toten. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060215030450

Here is their son Johannes' christening in 1865 in Oslo https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060216010733

They had a daughter in 1877 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060928080449

The other censuses where I believe I see the same man, say he was born in Østre Toten. This may be a misunderstanding, because there is a place called Stange in Toten, but it cannot explain away the name of his father.

1885, still a planer https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01053257102485

 

One Berthe Marie Johannesdatter born in Stange died in  Oslo in 1882. She was described as a wife and the age looks right. The death was reported by Carl W. O. Larsen. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060928050259

This is the marriage - her father's name is listed as Johannes Larsen, but there was no such birth that I could find. Possibly a misunderstanding? I've seen lots of those in church records in Oslo at the time. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060213040666

 

In 1865 Ottinas father died at Hommerstad-eie. There's no information about his wife, if she was living or if he was a widower. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070123310705

In the 1865 census, however, the widow Karen Olsdatter was living with her unmarried daughter Mathea and a foster child Kari Hansdatter in Skrædderstuen ('Tailor's cottage') https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038035003752 This is the same one who was living with Ottina in the 1870 census

Halvor became a tailor like his father. He lived at Skredderstuen in his parish, in a different household than his mother and sister Mathea. Halvor and his wife had a daughter, Marthe. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038035005330

He and his wife were living in the same spot in 1901.https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052729004293

Endret Oktober 5 av Inger Hohler
Berthe Maria

[Avery Block]

16 hours ago, Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo said:

 

Ole Syversen og Helene Olsdatter flytter til Christiania:

Akershus fylke, Ås, Nordby, Kroer i Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1854-1870), Inn- og utflyttede 1858, Side 395
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060927050592
 

Pauline har en søster, Mathea, født 1839:

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000036629027

 

Akershus fylke, Ås, Nordby, Kroer i Ås, Ministerialbok nr. I 5 (1827-1840), Fødte og døpte 1839, Side 460-461
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026050158
 

Mathea gifter seg 1861 med matros Jørgen Andersen (født i Hurum, mellom tidligere nevnte Asker og Sande) :

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000005629043

 

Oslo fylke, Grønland i Oslo, Ministerialbok nr. 1 (1859-1861), Viede 1861, Side 333
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060227040325

 

Mathea og Jørgen Andersen Sundby med barn:

FT1865 Kristiania
FT1875 Kristiania

FT1885 Kristiania

 

Ref Avery sitt familietre hos Ancestry:

 

Birth
Elfin Sorinus Johansen Sorenson was born on April 6, 1876, in Asker, Akershus, Norway, to Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter Svensen, age 24, and Johan Paulus Sørensen, age 35.

 

Dåpen: 

 

Akershus fylke, Vestre Bærum, Østre Bærum, Asker i Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 8 (1865-1878), Fødte og døpte 1876, Side 177
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060315011193
 

Første fadder er Mathea Sundby - Alette Hansine sin tante 🙂

 

    **********

 

Halvor Svendsen er vel fortsatt litt usikker?, men Pauline Olsdatter fra Ås i Akershus ser nå ut til å være mor til Alette Hansine - i følge kildene vi har henvist til.

 

    ************

Regarding DNA testing and matches:

I think most Norwegians use MyHeritage. I also have a DNA test at Ancestry, to find matches with Americans. But by transferring the DNA result to MyHeritage, I got matches with Norwegians.
I would recommend this to you, especially ref Halvor Svendsen.

How to upload AncestryDNA results to FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage:

 

https://www.nifhs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Uploading-AncestryDNA-to-FamilyTreeDNA-and-MyHeritage.pdf

 

You are saying she appear to be the Mother of the Anette I originally mentioned or are we unsure if Alette is the same person? And regarding the DNA stuff unfortunately I am only given the rights to see his results, I did not get the relevant person tested so I can't download the results. I have a Great Grandchild of Anette on MyHeritage uploaded already, but they make you pay money to see the matches, maybe I would consider it if it seems necessary. Thank you for your reply, and once again I appreciate everyone trying to help me.  

[Inger Hohler]

7 hours ago, Avery Block said:

You are saying she appear to be the Mother of the Anette I originally mentioned or are we unsure if Alette is the same person?

The name combinations of Anette OR Alette and Hansine was quite rare according to electronic search. There is just one candidate with the patronyms either Svendsen or Halvorsen for the years 1850-1852.

 

Let's see what we can find about the Anette  who married Johan Sörensen - apart from the fact that the first sponsor to one of her children could have been the maternal aunt of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter.

In the 1875 census Anette Svensen (not correct patronym for Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter) was living at Lögenæsbraaten. She was born i Kristiania (not correct for Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter). Her husband, the sailor Johan Sörensen was on his way to America. Her daughter Helga Johansen, born 1871, was staying with her. The daughter was also born in Kristiania. Note that it says 'her' daughter  which usually indicate the child was not by the husband.

Now, there was born one Helga Mathilde in 1871 to the unmarried Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter and unmarried sailor Johan Sörensen in Kristiania. She's the only one with a patronym Johansen that I find by a mother Anette OR Alette in the years 1870-72 in the  entire eastern part of Norway by electronic search.
 

The sponsors were married woman Mathea Olsdatter and unmarried woman Sophie Olsdatter. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060926010149

Assuming that Pauline Olsdatter born in Ås to the  parents Helene Paulsdatter and Ole Syversen, is the mother of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter,

Mathea Olsdatter could be the sister of Pauline Olsdatter, Pauline being he mother of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter.

Sophie Olsdatter could also be the sister of Pauline Olsdatter. This would be Maren Sofie born in 1833 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026040150

Those names were not uncommon, though.

 

However, there is a small cross by the name of Helga Mathilde, which usually means the child died early. I have no explanation for it. There is no electronic record of child deaths in the church book of Rikshospitalet betwen 1870 and 172, and a stillborn child does not need sponsors. Nor can I find her death by electronic searsch.

 

I think the presence of the child Helga in the 1875 census is a very strong indicator that her mother Anette Svendsen was the same as Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter, and the name of the sponsors affirm this.

 

It would have been nice to find the marriage record for Johan and Anette/Alette. Electroic rearch did not help me there, so scrolling through church records seems the only option.

 

 

Endret Oktober 6 av Inger Hohler
'was' to 'could have been'

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

På 1.10.2024 den 18.36, Inger Hohler skrev:

Bjerkøya - Halvor Svendsen had a brother who was called Olaus. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000002106249

 

Born 28.11.1834:

 

Akershus fylke, Asker, Vestre Bærum, Østre Bærum i Asker, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1825-1864), Fødte og døpte 1834, Side 119
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061114030291

 

28.11.1929: Olaus Svendsen 95 years old.  Does he look like your ancestors 🤔
 

 

From newspaper "Aftenposten" 30.11.1929.

https://www.nb.no/items/10334d6e1a8d3c95a6e2a3f8bf1d25b7?page=1
 

[Avery Block]

2 hours ago, Inger Hohler said:

The name combinations of Anette OR Alette and Hansine was quite rare according to electronic search. There is just one candidate with the patronyms either Svendsen or Halvorsen for the years 1850-1852.

 

Let's see what we can find about the Anette  who married Johan Sörensen - apart from the fact that the first sponsor to one of her children was the maternal aunt of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter.

In the 1875 census Anette Svensen (not correct patronym for Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter) was living at Lögenæsbraaten. She was born i Kristiania (not correct for Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter). Her husband, the sailor Johan Sörensen was on his way to America. Her daughter Helga Johansen, born 1871, was staying with her. The daughter was also born in Kristiania. Note that it says 'her' daughter  which usually indicate the child was not by the husband.

Now, there was born one Helga Mathilde in 1871 to the unmarried Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter and unmarried sailor Johan Sörensen in Kristiania. She's the only one with a patronym Johansen that I find by a mother Anette OR Alette in the years 1870-72 in the  entire eastern part of Norway by electronic search.
 

The sponsors were married woman Mathea Olsdatter and unmarried woman Sophie Olsdatter. https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060926010149

Assuming that Pauline Olsdatter born in Ås to the  parents Helene Paulsdatter and Ole Syversen, is the mother of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter,

Mathea Olsdatter could be the sister of Pauline Olsdatter, Pauline being he mother of Alette Hansine Halvorsdatter.

Sophie Olsdatter could also be the sister of Pauline Olsdatter. This would be Maren Sofie born in 1833 https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061026040150

Those names were not uncommon, though.

 

However, there is a small cross by the name of Helga Mathilde, which usually means the child died early. I have no explanation for it. There is no electronic record of child deaths in the church book of Rikshospitalet betwen 1870 and 172, and a stillborn child does not need sponsors. Nor can I find her death by electronic searsch.

 

I think the presence of the child Helga in the 1875 census is a very strong indicator that her mother Anette Svendsen was the same as Anette Hansine Halvorsdatter, and the name of the sponsors affirm this.

 

It would have been nice to find the marriage record for Johan and Anette/Alette. Electroic rearch did not help me there, so scrolling through church records seems the only option.

 

 

Hmm, all very interesting info, and I believe this should be their marriage record.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000004451895

[Jackie K Marler]

19 minutes ago, Avery Block said:

Hmm, all very interesting info, and I believe this should be their marriage record.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000004451895

Another case of bad, misleading interpretations of handwritten letters:  Lorensen for Sorensen; Antonette Hansine for Anette Hansine etc., etc.  Got to keep on your toes.

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

This topic also discussed at NorwayHeritage 09.09.24 - 20.09.24: info should probably have been shared here too.....

 

https://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7443&whichpage=3

 

[Gry.Onarheim.Dahlmo]

Johan Sørensen and Anette Svendsen:

 

Sjømannsstanden i Asker 1814-1905 og dens slektskapsforhold : tillegg til Askerboken - under Vettre III, page 119

 

Screenshot:

 

 

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DNA-matches: I have found several descendants without the common name Svendsen and some of them are alive; PM coming soon.