Genealogy research

[Blanche]

I'm actually doing research based on my family genealogy but I can't read the archives online because I can't read in your language, is there someone who could help me translate? I would be very grateful.

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

Blanche, this is a far too general way to ask for help. If you could provide us with some names, places, and dates, we may be able to help you.

[Blanche]

I'm searching on the side of my great grand mother, and someone from larvik is in my genealogy, his name is Anton Hansen, born the 9th June 1851, his mother is Annelia naltisen and his father Martinium Hansen, I don't have any date for these two, but Anton Hansen is from larvik, he run away from war on what I know and he ended in Quebec and had a child with my great great grandmother in 1888 in Quebec, I'm trying to find if he had sisters/brothers who also had child, trying to find maybe some family still in larvik and also wanting to know more about his family line 

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

Hmmm. I've searched for the baptism of Anton in and around Larvik without success so far. Do you have a link to any source for his birth or his parents? His father's name may have been Martinius, surely not Martinium which is not a Norwegian name. His mother's given name may have been "Annelia" or something similar. but "Naltisen" sounds completely unfamiliar.

 

Edit: Also, I wonder which war he may have run away from. Norway was not involved in any war between 1814 and 1940.

Endret Oktober 3, 2024 av Leif Biberg Kristensen

[Ketil Firing Hanssen]

This is a potential candidate: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000038644655

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

13 minutter siden, Ketil Firing Hanssen skrev:

This is a potential candidate: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000038644655

 

Seems very likely. The mother's patronym Mathisdatter ("Mathisen") may well have been garbled into "Naltisen".

 

I hadn't looked into Tjølling yet, but it's quite close to Larvik.

Endret Oktober 3, 2024 av Leif Biberg Kristensen

[Ketil Firing Hanssen]

I've started constructing Martinus Hansen's pedigree based on available sources in Digitalarkivet here: https://histreg.no/index.php/person/pd00000038644656

[Kristian Hunskaar (privat)]

Jan W. Krohn-Holm, Tjølling bygdebok, bind II, s. 327:
 

https://www.nb.no/items/8f8018ca328b25094cecc848ee07c67e?page=329

 

Endret Oktober 3, 2024 av Kristian Hunskaar (privat)

[Kristian Hunskaar (privat)]

The heirs of Anne Mathisdatter, also known as Anne Hansen Østby, were her daughter Amalie Hansen and her daughter Hermine Hansen's son Magnus Nilsen: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60098638000232

Hence, the two other children, Mette Martine and Hans Anton, were dead - or at least assumed to be dead.

[Blanche]

Martinium Hansen and Annelia naltisen are in Quebec archive but just named as the parents of Anton Hansen who changed his name to be Charles Wilson, but thank to yours help I think I might have found something, maybe annelia was wrongly registered, same for martinium, but with some of the information concordance, I might have found them, thank you so much, if you find anything else I'll gladly take it, once more, thank you so much!

[Blanche]

37 minutter siden, Kristian Hunskaar (privat) skrev:

The heirs of Anne Mathisdatter, also known as Anne Hansen Østby, were her daughter Amalie Hansen and her daughter Hermine Hansen's son Magnus Nilsen: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60098638000232

Hence, the two other children, Mette Martine and Hans Anton, were dead - or at least assumed to be dead.

Sadly I can't read this language and translate application are not of much help, but thank you for everything 

[Blanche]

1 time siden, Leif Biberg Kristensen skrev:

Hmmm. I've searched for the baptism of Anton in and around Larvik without success so far. Do you have a link to any source for his birth or his parents? His father's name may have been Martinius, surely not Martinium which is not a Norwegian name. His mother's given name may have been "Annelia" or something similar. but "Naltisen" sounds completely unfamiliar.

 

Edit: Also, I wonder which war he may have run away from. Norway was not involved in any war between 1814 and 1940.

Honestly I don't know what war it was about, I've just been told by family member that he was had run away from war and that he ended in Quebec where he changed his name for Charles Wilson 

[Blanche]

41 minutter siden, Kristian Hunskaar (privat) skrev:

The heirs of Anne Mathisdatter, also known as Anne Hansen Østby, were her daughter Amalie Hansen and her daughter Hermine Hansen's son Magnus Nilsen: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60098638000232

Hence, the two other children, Mette Martine and Hans Anton, were dead - or at least assumed to be dead.

Assumed? It's probably him!! Thank you so much!!

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

1 minutt siden, Blanche skrev:

Sadly I can't read this language and translate application are not of much help, but thank you for everything 

 

It means that a "probate" was held after his mother's death. Only Anton's two sisters Amalie and Hermine were named, Apparently, Anton was assumed dead. He has probably left Norway without leaving a trace.

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

6 minutter siden, Blanche skrev:

Honestly I don't know what war it was about, I've just been told by family member that he was had run away from war and that he ended in Quebec where he changed his name for Charles Wilson 

 

Do you know when he appeared in Quebec and changed his name? It seems likely that this information, with his parents' names, stems from an official document.

[Blanche]

Akkurat nå, Leif Biberg Kristensen skrev:

 

Do you know when he appeared in Quebec and changed his name? It seems likely that this information, with his parents' names, stems from an official document.

I just know that he had a child with my great great grandmother in 1888, we don't have much information about him except for the fact he came from larvik, his birthdate and the fact that he run away from war, if he was hiding, he was very good at it

[Blanche]

Akkurat nå, Blanche skrev:

I just know that he had a child with my great great grandmother in 1888, we don't have much information about him except for the fact he came from larvik, his birthdate and the fact that he run away from war, if he was hiding, he was very good at it

We found these information on a book which was celebrating the city of Saint Marc des carriere, and it's wasn't exactly accurate, and other information where from older family member, so we have no official documents on it

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

It's an interesting story. He may have run away from a war, but that war was probably fought on the North-American continent. The fact that his parents' names are known and correlate well with what Ketil have found in Tjølling, seems to mean that he had no intention of hiding his Norwegian roots. Yet he had no contact with his mother or sisters, and when his mother died in 1904 he seems to have been assumed dead without issue.

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

There is one important point to make here: If his child with your great-great-grandmother in 1888 was born out of wedlock, this child had no right to inheritance after her father according to Norwegian law before 1924. So, theoretically speaking, the 1904 probate would not have mentioned Anton if he was then known to have died without legitimate children.

[Blanche]

6 minutter siden, Leif Biberg Kristensen skrev:

There is one important point to make here: If his child with your great-great-grandmother in 1888 was born out of wedlock, this child had no right to inheritance after her father according to Norwegian law before 1924. So, theoretically speaking, the 1904 probate would not have mentioned Anton if he was then known to have died without legitimate children.

The child was born legitimately, just, at the time, he was no longer called Anton Hansen but Charles Wilson, and the child took the name Wilson 

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

1 minutt siden, Blanche skrev:

The child was born legitimately, just, at the time, he was no longer called Anton Hansen but Charles Wilson, and the child took the name Wilson 

 

All right. Then it looks like he really had no contact with the folks back home. I still think Ketil has the right family, even if he was not named in his mother's probate in 1904.

[Blanche]

2 minutter siden, Leif Biberg Kristensen skrev:

 

All right. Then it looks like he really had no contact with the folks back home. I still think Ketil has the right family, even if he was not named in his mother's probate in 1904.

It fit with what I had as information so I think I found them, sadly, I can't find anything further than the grand father of Anton, and there is very little information, I can't even find the mother of Anne Mathiasdtr or martinis Hansen, it's strange, like they don't have mother 

[Leif Biberg Kristensen]

3 minutter siden, Blanche skrev:

It fit with what I had as information so I think I found them, sadly, I can't find anything further than the grand father of Anton, and there is very little information, I can't even find the mother of Anne Mathiasdtr or martinis Hansen, it's strange, like they don't have mother 

 

Oh, there's a lot more to dig up here. But the crucial point was/is to assert Anton's parents with any confidence. It's now late night in Norway. I bet that we'll see more tomorrow.

[Blanche]

Akkurat nå, Leif Biberg Kristensen skrev:

 

Oh, there's a lot more to dig up here. But the crucial point was/is to assert Anton's parents with any confidence. It's now late night in Norway. I bet that we'll see more tomorrow.

Oh, well I wish you a sweet night, and thank you for helping me, I'm so happy right now 😊

[Anton Hagelee]

This looks like your Charles Wilson in the 1931 Canadian Census. The emigration year is incorrect, Probably is 1870. 

 

Charly Wilson

Census • Canada Census, 1931

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:655C-L94F

 

Charley Wilson

Census • Canada Census, 1891

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW5Z-144

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Oktober 3, 2024 av Anton Hagelee