Sjømannen Anders Marinius Johnsen eller Andreasen som havnet i USA?

[Tom Linde]

Anders Marinius ble født 18.10.1871 i Aurskog, Akershus https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060929050436 nr. 31 . 

Hans mor Maren Randia Iversdatter død 05.02.1908 i Flå i Nes, Buskerud https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051025040204 nr. 3

Hans far Andreas Johnsen døde 03.11.1918 i Flå i Nes, Buskerud https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051025040215  nr. 7

 

Anders Marinius var ved sin mors død 1908 i Vågå i Oppland. Når hans far dør 1918 er han i USA.

 

Mitt spørsmål er hvor havnet han i USA og fikk han familie?

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Jackie K Marler]

An exceeding long shot:

"Minnesota Deaths, 1887-2001", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ZD4D-FRPZ : Fri Mar 08 01:48:17 UTC 2024), Entry for Andrew M Anderson and Andrew Anderson, 28 Jan 1921.

[Roy-Petter Askim]

Til sjøs Annotasjonsrullen 3797: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42128/239 

 

Hovedrullen 7913: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42144/10 hvor han rømmer i kappstaden allerede i 1890.

 

I FT1891 står han som lettmatros, med antatt oppholdssted New jork. Så da har han vel tatt seg dit fra Kappstaden, og sendt bud hjem.

 

Ser ut som han bruker navnet Johnsen så langt. Når han tar seg tilbake til USA fant jeg ikke.

Endret November 8 av Roy-Petter Askim

[Tom Linde]

Tusen takk til Jackie og Roy-Petter.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Lars Kittilsen]

Her er en annen oppføring i hovedrullen (samme nummer):

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/42152/6

 

Det står en anmerkning her:

[Lars Kittilsen]

Her er morens dødsfallsprotokoll (1908)

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/55404/36

 

Her er farens dødsfallsprotokoll (1918).

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/55404/108

 

Begge er registrert som døde i Flå.

Hvor står det Anders M er bosatt i 1908?

 

 

[Even Stormoen]

1 time siden, Lars Kittilsen skrev:

Hvor står det Anders M er bosatt i 1908?

 

 

Vaage.

 

Mvh

[Tom Linde]

Tusen takk for svar Lars.

Jeg har sett denne tidligere og jeg mente det står Anders Marinius f. 18/10 71, bosatt i Vaage.  Otto ........ .

Er dette feil så er jeg meget glad å bli rettet. Kanskje det er en plass i USA?

Er fortsatt iteressert i hvor Anders Marinius havnet i USA og om han hadde familie.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Tom Linde]

Tusen takk for innspill Even. Jeg tror jeg skrev feil når jeg skrev at Anders Marinius oppholdt seg i Oppland 1908. Det skal nok være Våle i Vestfold.

 

Håper noen kan hjelpe meg med hans vistelse i USA.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Lars Kittilsen]

57 minutter siden, Tom Linde skrev:

Tusen takk for innspill Even. Jeg tror jeg skrev feil når jeg skrev at Anders Marinius oppholdt seg i Oppland 1908. Det skal nok være Våle i Vestfold.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

Jeg ville vært ganske åpen for hvor Vaage er. Det finnes mange plasser - mange av dem ganske lokale.

Bare for å vise - uten ytterligere undersøkelser og vurderinger - dette er oversikten over personer med bosted "Vaage" på Østlandet:
Detaljert personsøk - Digitalarkivet

Endret November 9 av Lars Kittilsen

[Tom Linde]

Takk for innspill Lars. Det er bra. Søkte på hvor foreldrene bodde i 1900 og fikk da svar at de bodde i Våle i Vestfold. Dette er ikke viktig for meg. Det er ikke det jeg har spurt om.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Jackie K Marler]

Minneapolis tidende. Pub. Date February 3, 1921, page 12 col 2

https://www.mnhs.org/newspapers/lccn/sn83045534/1921-02-03/ed-1/seq-12

 

Possibly the same man as died in 1921, :

Endret November 10 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

Here are 64 possibles for And*, male, b 1871 leaving Norway 1908-1918:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?page=1&from=&to=&sc[0]=em&firstname=and*&lastname=&genders[0]=m&birth_year_from=1871&birth_year_to=1871&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=1908&event_year_to=1918&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel

 

One has a birthdate of 17 Oct 1871, one day off, railroad worker going to Minnesota:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000605693

 

[Tom Linde]

Tusen takk Jackie. Dødsannonsen stemmer med alder, han skulle bli 50 år i oktober 1921. Er Ethel T. Anderson hans datter eller kone?

Finnes det dokmenter som viser hans nærmeste slektninger i Norge?

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Jackie K Marler]

First I'll do these two posts and then look at Ethel T Anderson. 

 

Here is Anders in 1891 census, as noted earlier, it says he is living in New York:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052816004622

 

RA, Folketelling 1891 for 0721 Sem herred, 1891, s. 5574
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10061012332459

 

And I think it says that Anders is still listed in America in Otto's probate record in 1934. So perhaps Anders M Anderson is no longer a good candidate.

 

Endret November 11 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

There is an Ethel T Anderson living with her widowed mother Josephine in Minneapolis in the 1920 census.  In the 1910 census her father is listed as Andrew M Anderson.

I think this is her birth record:

Anderson, Ethel Thula

Family name Anderson

First name Ethel

Middle name Thula

Mother’s maiden name Hagerman

Birth date 1902-12-11

County Kandiyohi County

Certificate ID 1902-10536

https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/birth-records/0595d6c9-6193-4aeb-afb9-70b44d105fb8

 

The family in 1905 Minnesota state census:

 

In the 1910 census her middle name is rendered as Lenorah:

"United States Census, 1910", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2GZ-9PD : Fri Jul 05 22:30:15 UTC 2024), Entry for Andrew M Anderson and Josephine C Anderson, 1910.

 

Here in the 1920 census:

"United States Census, 1920", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWYK-Q49 : Sat Mar 09 04:41:43 UTC 2024), Entry for Josephine C Anderson and Ethel T Anderson, 1920.

 

Andrew and Josephine married in 1899:

KANDIYOHI

G-004

11/25/1899

ANDERSON, ANDREW M

HAGERMAN, JOSEPHINE

 

So if the 1920 entry is true the Andrew M Anderson who married Josephine should have died before the 1920 census and so is unlikely to be the Andrew M Anderson who is listed as having died early in 1921 unless the newspaper has mixed him up.  The daughter Ethel Thula married a man named Smith and was living in 1925 in Iowa.

 

Endret November 10 av Jackie K Marler

[Tom Linde]

Thank you very much Jackie for answering my question. It is often difficult to find emigrants in the United States because they change their names. Did Anders Marinius have more children?

With kind regards

Tom Linde

[Lars Kittilsen]

Hvor sikre er vi på at denne Andrew M Anderson er Anders Marinius Johnsen/Andersen/Andreassen?

Finnes det dokumentasjon som kobler ham til rett familie?

De fleste av søsknene brukte Johnsen - hvorfor skulle han bruke Andersen?
Og det finnes flere aktuelle Andrew M (født rundt 1871 i Norge) i USA ...

 

[Tom Linde]

Takk for bra innspill. Har faktiskt tenkt på det selv. Det må finnes en dødsfallserklæring fra 1921 som viser fødselsdato og noe mere som beviser at det er riktig Anders Marinius Johnsen.

 

Mvh

Tom Linde

[Jackie K Marler]

No, Andrew M Anderson is just an "opener" based on the rough starting biography of Anders Marinius as either Anderson or Johnson.  And if his family still thinks he's alive in 1934, then logically candidate Andrew M. Anderson might not be right.  There are other possible candidates.  There are some questions in mind about him for instance, the placing of him in Vaage, wouldn't he have followed the maritime occupation in US, are there any other connections between him and his family such as being faddere to any of the nieces and nephews (the sister Gunda Bolette had a large family, some of whom were born at the times when Anders might be around.), etc.  It makes me wonder if there is any place in America the name of which was transformed to or made sense as Vaage, such as Volga S.D. or the like. 

3 hours ago, Tom Linde said:

Thank you very much Jackie for answering my question. It is often difficult to find emigrants in the United States because they change their names. Did Anders Marinius have more children?

With kind regards

Tom Linde

The Andrew M Anderson who married Josephine Hagerman apparently had only two daughters the younger one called Myrtle must have died young.  It does not appear that Ethel T had any children either, so there may be a "dead end" here if it can be ascertained if this Andrew M. is the right fellow.

 

Name changing often happens when Norwegians come here.  And it can happen that siblings will each have a different surname.  This can run the gamut from directly translating a name (Kviting to White), to adopting a specific spelling vs. another spelling, choosing a farm name not truly associated with themself (my great grandfather Ole Petter Pedersen was called Peter Pederson Vager in one document.), making Bjorlo into Barlow, etc.  tons of ways this can be done.

 

Thanks for thanks.

Endret November 11 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

Tom, what do you know about the brother Jorgen?

[Jackie K Marler]

Here in 1910 census, assumed residence Australia:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036333008866

 

His death:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004442527

Endret November 12 av Jackie K Marler

[Tom Linde]

Thank you for your commitment.

Jørgen Ingvald Johnsen born 12/01/1869 son of Andreas Johnsen and Maren Randia Iversdatter, married Anne Dorthea Olsdatter 03/03/1906 in Dissenter church in Halden.
Anne Dorethes Olsdatter was the daughter of Ole Johnsen who was the eldest brother of Andreas Johnsen. Jørgen Ingvald and Anne Dorthea were thus cousins.
Jørgen Ingvald therefore died in Halden on 24 March 1944.
Andreas Johnsen and Ole Johnsen had two brothers who went to the USA.
Christien (Johnsen) Soli who emigrated to South Dakota in 1873 and died on 18.11.1905 in Roberts County in South Dakota.
The other was Markus (Johnsen) Strom, who is my great-great-great grandfather. He emigrated in 1887 with 7 children. He died in 1917 in Brooking.
Maybe Anders Marinius ended up in South Dakota too, when he had two uncles there and many cousins???? If Andrew M Anderson is wrong??

With kind regards
Tom Linde

[Jackie K Marler]

Brookings Register,  Thursday 8 Feb 1917, page 6 col 4

 

Is Andrew Larson known to you? or Mrs. Arthur Strupp or Mrs. Joe Weigle?

 

Incidentally, I had been following someone from Watertown, S.D. but I've just about rejected him.   He was a Dr Andrew Johnson.

 

 

Brookings Semi-Weekly Register, Tuesday 15 Nov 1898, page 4 col 5

[Jackie K Marler]

Here is another long shot from 1900 census, Alaska Andrew Johnson born  Oct 1872, in Alaska since July 1898:

"United States Census, 1900", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3FX-5QR : Thu Apr 11 17:21:09 UTC 2024), Entry for Andrew Johnson and Hans Anderson, 1900.

Endret November 13 av Jackie K Marler