To brødre utvandret til Amerika 1876 fra Førdestrømmen i Sund

[Lars Johannessen]

Haagen Johannessen Førdestrømmen født 7. juli 1851 og broren Johannes Johannessen Førdestrømmen født 25. april 1854

utvandret fra Bergen 29. april 1876 (nr 226 og 227)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110223700038

Jeg har ikke funnet dem igjen i USA. Jeg vet at de hadde en søster som utvandret i 1874 - Cecilie Johannesdtr. Hatleberg, gift med Lars Toresen Hatleberg fra Lærdal.

Cecilie født 16. april 1843, død 28. april 1928 i Winger twp, Polk Co., Minnesota. Henne har jeg oversikt over, det er hvor de ble av Haagen og Johannes jeg er ute etter. Håper på framifrå hjelp av de eminente hjelperne i dette forumet 🙂

[Jackie K Marler]

What are the names of the parents of these siblings?  Father Johannes what?  Mother what?

[Anton Hagelee]

48 minutes ago, Jackie K Marler said:

What are the names of the parents of these siblings?  Father Johannes what?  Mother what?

 

From a tree on Ancestry.com

 

Cecilia Johannesdtr. Førdestrømmen

1843–1928

BIRTH 16 APR 1843 • Førdestrømmen, Sund, Hordaland, Norway

DEATH 28 APR 1928 • Polk, Minnesota, USA

 

Cecilie

in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938

NameCecilie

Record Typedåp (Baptism)

Birth Date16 Aug 1843[1843 Apr 16]

Baptism Date23. apr 1843 (23 Apr 1843)

Baptism PlaceSund, Hordaland, Norge (Norway)

Baptism MunicipalityAustevoll

FatherJohannes Haagnesen

MotherHerborg Nilsdr

 

Nr 43

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050825030557

 

 

Cissilia Hattleberg

Census • United States Census, 1910

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2PQ-9X9

 

Brothers 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038239000548

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038239000718

 

 

 

 

Endret November 16 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Emigration 

 

Haagen Johansen Førdestrømmen

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000658607

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/records?recordId=338767&collectionId=61757&tid=&pid=&queryId=93e4d950-7cfe-481e-839b-d19cba7409db&_phsrc=qtB3&_phstart=successSource

Endret November 16 av Anton Hagelee

[Allan Frantzen]

Faren Johannes Haagensen død i 1894. Dødsfallprotokoll : https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/90649/10

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/23988/89

 

Moren Herborg Nilsd. Død 1897: Dødsfallprotokoll : https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/90649/16

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/54599/170

3 barn i Amerika.

Ellers ikke til hjelp.

[Lars Johannessen]

@Jackie K Marler@Anton Hagelee@Allan Frantzen

Takk for gode forsøk på å finne Haagen og Johannes! Ser at jeg nok kunne ha lagt ut info om foreldrene, dødsfallsprotokollen til moren Herborg fra 1897 oppgir  som du Allan skriver at hun etterlot seg tre barn i Amerika. Cecilie hadde etter det jeg har funnet ett barn som har etterkommere - Henry Olai Hatleberg (1880 - 1936) Jeg har dessverre ikke abonnement på Ancestry, så jeg får ikke åpnet kilden du Anton la ved i ditt innlegg...

Kan vi finne disse to brødrene i passasjerlister, evt også i folketellinger fra 1880 og fremover?

[Jackie K Marler]

Sissel / Cecelia and her husband Lars with 3 children were living in 1880 in Becker County, Minnesota:

"United States Census, 1880", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZM1-4Z5 : Sat Mar 09 19:21:26 UTC 2024), Entry for Lars T. Hatteberg and Siselia J. Hatteberg, 1880.

[Jackie K Marler]

You mentioned Henry Hatleberg.  Here is an account of his death published in the Thief River Falls Times on Thurs 22 Oct 1936 page 9 col 3:

[Lars Johannessen]

1 time siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

You mentioned Henry Hatleberg.  Here is an account of his death published in the Thief River Falls Times on Thurs 22 Oct 1936 page 9 col 3:

Dette var ny informasjon, takk for den! Much appreciated!

[Jackie K Marler]

You mentioned that Cecelia had only one child who survived to have descendants.  I'm not sure that is correct.  There is a Johanna L Hatleberg who marries an Ole C Morbin in Polk county, Minnesota.  Ole went on to marry another two times.  But here is the entry from MOMS:

POLK

E/368

11/07/1892

MORBIN, OLE C

HATLEBERG, JOHANNA L

 

Here is Ole's obit published in the Thief River Falls (Minnesota) Times Thursday 24 Oct 1950 page 7 (?) col 1 found at Old Fulton History website:

 

This image is of Ole and Johanna's family in the 1895 Minnesota state census of Winger, Polk county, Minn.:

Note that the 2 children's names Clara Louis Morben age 2 and Carl Oskar Morben age 1 correspond with two of the listed survivors in Ole's obit: Oscar of Roseau (Minnesota) and Mrs. Clara Lillemoen of Gustine, California.

 

Oscar was known by a couple of different last names: Norlin, Norben, and Morben, but his birthdate and birth place are very similar or the same:  12 March 1894 at Winger, Minnesota:

 

"Minnesota, World War I Records, 1918-1941", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q556-X23Z : Sat Mar 09 03:44:16 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norben and Ole C Morben.

 

"United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKCC-Z881 : Fri Feb 23 22:00:56 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norlin and Oscar Norlin, 27 Apr 1942.

 

As mentioned Ole C Morben was married an additional two times, again from MOMS

POLK

G/517

02/03/1898

MORBEN, OLE C

OLSON, MARTHA

POLK

W/349

05/29/1925

MORBEN, OLE C

HOGESTAD, EDITH

 

Ole had a number of children with his second wife and when she died in 1917 in Pennington county, Minnesota, Ole handled her estate.  This legal notice was published in the St. Hilaire (Minnesota) Spectator (pub date not noted, nor page, column 3):

Neither Clara nor Oscar are mentioned as Martha's survivors.  Technically, they are not her children and don't have any reason to be a part of the estate settlement, since they are adult and "not of the blood" so to speak.

 

Oscar was apparently placed with a Norlin family and here they are in 1905 Minnesota state census of Winger Polk county, with Oscar carrying his original surname as a middle name:

 

In the 1910 census, Oscar is listed as Andrew and Ingri's foster son:

"United States Census, 1910", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2PQ-XL3 : Thu Mar 07 09:40:04 UTC 2024), Entry for Andrew Norlien and Imfri Norlien, 1910.

 

Oscar Norlin also served in WWI:

"United States, Veterans Administration Master Index, 1917-1940", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7BN3-632M : Thu Mar 07 20:33:24 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norlien, 31 March 1919.

 

Oscar married as Norlin in Polk county, here from MOMS:

POLK

T/589

06/21/1921

NORLIN, OSCAR

SNUSTAD, NETTIE ISABELLE

In the 1930 census Oscar and Nettie had had at least two sons:

"United States Census, 1930", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X384-17Z : Sat Mar 09 08:59:18 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar C Norlin and Nettie I Norlin, 1930.

 

Here is Oscar's FAG memorial.  You will want to click through all of entries there.  Oscar and Nettie had a total of 3 sons:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106595963/oscar_norlin

 

 

 

 

[Lars Johannessen]

28 minutter siden, Jackie K Marler skrev:

You mentioned that Cecelia had only one child who survived to have descendants.  I'm not sure that is correct.  There is a Johanna L Hatleberg who marries an Ole C Morbin in Polk county, Minnesota.  Ole went on to marry another two times.  But here is the entry from MOMS:

POLK

E/368

11/07/1892

MORBIN, OLE C

HATLEBERG, JOHANNA L

 

Here is Ole's obit published in the Thief River Falls (Minnesota) Times Thursday 24 Oct 1950 page 7 (?) col 1 found at Old Fulton History website:

 

This image is of Ole and Johanna's family in the 1895 Minnesota state census of Winger, Polk county, Minn.:

Note that the 2 children's names Clara Louis Morben age 2 and Carl Oskar Morben age 1 correspond with two of the listed survivors in Ole's obit: Oscar of Roseau (Minnesota) and Mrs. Clara Lillemoen of Gustine, California.

 

Oscar was known by a couple of different last names: Norlin, Norben, and Morben, but his birthdate and birth place are very similar or the same:  12 March 1894 at Winger, Minnesota:

 

"Minnesota, World War I Records, 1918-1941", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q556-X23Z : Sat Mar 09 03:44:16 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norben and Ole C Morben.

 

"United States World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKCC-Z881 : Fri Feb 23 22:00:56 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norlin and Oscar Norlin, 27 Apr 1942.

 

As mentioned Ole C Morben was married an additional two times, again from MOMS

POLK

G/517

02/03/1898

MORBEN, OLE C

OLSON, MARTHA

POLK

W/349

05/29/1925

MORBEN, OLE C

HOGESTAD, EDITH

 

Ole had a number of children with his second wife and when she died in 1917 in Pennington county, Minnesota, Ole handled her estate.  This legal notice was published in the St. Hilaire (Minnesota) Spectator (pub date not noted, nor page, column 3):

Neither Clara nor Oscar are mentioned as Martha's survivors.  Technically, they are not her children and don't have any reason to be a part of the estate settlement, since they are adult and "not of the blood" so to speak.

 

Oscar was apparently placed with a Norlin family and here they are in 1905 Minnesota state census of Winger Polk county, with Oscar carrying his original surname as a middle name:

 

In the 1910 census, Oscar is listed as Andrew and Ingri's foster son:

"United States Census, 1910", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2PQ-XL3 : Thu Mar 07 09:40:04 UTC 2024), Entry for Andrew Norlien and Imfri Norlien, 1910.

 

Oscar Norlin also served in WWI:

"United States, Veterans Administration Master Index, 1917-1940", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7BN3-632M : Thu Mar 07 20:33:24 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar Norlien, 31 March 1919.

 

Oscar married as Norlin in Polk county, here from MOMS:

POLK

T/589

06/21/1921

NORLIN, OSCAR

SNUSTAD, NETTIE ISABELLE

In the 1930 census Oscar and Nettie had had at least two sons:

"United States Census, 1930", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X384-17Z : Sat Mar 09 08:59:18 UTC 2024), Entry for Oscar C Norlin and Nettie I Norlin, 1930.

 

Here is Oscar's FAG memorial.  You will want to click through all of entries there.  Oscar and Nettie had a total of 3 sons:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106595963/oscar_norlin

 

 

 

 

Takk igjen, Jackie , bare jeg som ikke sjekket nøye nok her, du har helt rett! Jeg har bare notert at Johanna døde før 1900, altså ganske ung. Men hun var i live i 1895 da.

[Jackie K Marler]

This may be Cecelia and Lars, called Cecelia and Lewis Thompson in the 1900 census  Bear Park Township, Norman county, Minnesota:

[Anton Hagelee]

On 11/15/2024 at 3:41 PM, Lars Johannessen said:

Cecilie født 16. april 1843, død 28. april 1928 i Winger twp, Polk Co., Minnesota. Henne har jeg oversikt over, det er hvor de ble av Haagen og Johannes jeg er ute etter. Håper på framifrå hjelp av de eminente hjelperne i dette forumet

 

Cecilie bodde i Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota, USA sammen med mannen sin i 1880 FT.

 

Siselia J. Hatteberg

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

NameSiselia J. HattebergAge36Birth DateAbt 1844BirthplaceNorwayHome in 1880Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota, USADwelling Number155RaceWhiteGenderFemaleRelation to Head of HouseWifeMarital StatusMarriedSpouse's NameLars T. HattebergFather's BirthplaceNorwayMother's BirthplaceNorwayOccupationKeepingNeighborsView others on page

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship

Lars T. Hatteberg40Self (Head)

Siselia J. Hatteberg36Wife

Tini Hatteberg9Daughter

Johana Hatteberg5Daughter

Thomas Hatteberg3Son

 

Page 2

 

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/records?recordId=23993574&collectionId=6742&tid=&pid=&queryId=bdb358db-33c8-44bf-9e9c-05dd444a43ee&_phsrc=yUG15&_phstart=successSource

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Et langskudd? Også på side 2 er disse to mennene.

 

ecord	Johnson Johnson		Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota	Abt 1855	Norway
View Record	H... Johnson		Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota	Abt 1852	Norway	Self (Head)

 

 

Johnson Johnson

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

NameJohnson Johnson

Age25

Birth DateAbt 1855

BirthplaceNorway

Home in 1880Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota, USA

Dwelling Number157

RaceWhite

GenderMale

Marital StatusSingle

Father's BirthplaceNorway

Mother's BirthplaceNorway

OccupationFarmer

NeighborsView others on page

Household Members (Name)Age

Johnson Johnson25

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZM1-4Z5

 

 

Endret November 16 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

H... Johnson

in the 1880 United States Federal Census

NameH... Johnson

Age28

Birth DateAbt 1852

BirthplaceNorway

Home in 1880Atlanta, Becker, Minnesota, USA

Dwelling Number157

RaceWhite

GenderMale

Relation to Head of HouseSelf (Head)

Marital StatusSingle

Father's BirthplaceNorway

Mother's BirthplaceNorway

OccupationFarmer

NeighborsView others on page

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

[Anton Hagelee]

H... Johnson

Census • United States Census, 1880

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZM1-487

 

JOHNSON JOHNSON

Census • United States Census, 1880

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZM1-48W

 

 

[Lars Johannessen]

4 minutter siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

H... Johnson

Census • United States Census, 1880

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZM1-487

Jeg mener at det her står Haakon, og alderen 28 år stemmer, og alder på Johannes/Johnson er 25 år, det stemmer også! Stor takk Anton for dette, da er de funnet i 1880 i alle fall, samme sted som søsteren Cecilie og hennes familiie!

[Anton Hagelee]

3 minutes ago, Lars Johannessen said:

Jeg mener at det her står Haakon,

 

Ja, jeg er enig.

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Her er en Henry Johnson, ankommet 1876. Fødselsdatoen er feil i 1900 FT. Bodde i Becker County.

 

Henry Johnson

Census • United States Census, 1900

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M99R-7MC

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Henry Johnson

in the Web: Minnesota, U.S., Marriages from the Minnesota Official Marriage System, 1850-2022

NameHenry Johnson

Marriage Date8 Jun 1891

Marriage PlaceBecker, Minnesota, USA

SpouseGertrude W Sanden

Certificate NumberB-0377

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/70873/records/116439

 

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Her heter han Haakon.

 

Wilhelm Johan Johnson

in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

NameWilhelm Johan Johnson

Baptism Age0

Record TypeBaptism

Birth Date26 Dec 1886

Baptism Date19 May 1887

Baptism PlaceNorman, Minnesota, USA

FatherHaakon Johnson

MotherGjertrud Johnson

Church NameWild Rice Lutheran

Church LocationTwin Valley, Minnesota

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/963424

 

 

[Jackie K Marler]

The son Syvert in the 1900 census of Cecelia and Lars Thompson, probably Hatlebergs, was born  20 Aug 1886, and baptized baptized as Syvert Johan 17 Oct 1886 at the Wild Rice Lutheran church at Twin Valley Minnesota to Lars and Cecelia.  His faddere are Christoffer and Anna Drivdahl, Henry Johnson, and Oline M___________

 

The son Syvert died in 1910 at Winger, Polk county:

"Minnesota Deaths, 1887-2001", , FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W2NM-TPZM : Sun Mar 10 10:52:26 UTC 2024), Entry for Syver Johan Hatteberz and Lars Hatteberg, 9 May 1910.

 

According to meta data at Ancestry Cecelia Hatleberg and family left Stavanger on a ship called Brodrene and arrived in Quebec on 21 June 1874.

Endret November 17 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

This may have a relation to the same Henry Johnson, Sorry but no, it was published in the Mahnomen Pioneer, published 19 July 1940 page 9 col 4

Mrs. Theodore Harvey was called Sophia Christena Johnson and her mother's maiden name was Morben.

from MOMS:

MAHNOMEN

1-178

04/14/1914

HARVEY, THEODORE

JOHNSON, SOPHIA CHRISTENA

 

The only death of a Maren Johnson in Grand Forks county in the ND vital records death index is this person:

 

John A Croy b 1897 d 1980 was married to Mollie Nellie Johnson, daughter of Maren Ovedia Christiansd. Johnson (Morben side relative) who is listed above.

 

Here is a family tree of John H Johnson and Maren Ovedia: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GFT6-L1L

Included in it  are Rudolph, Olaf, Henry, Sophia (Mrs Harvey), Mollie Nellie Croy, Mathilda ( who wasMrs. Kleopper / Kloepper), Alma Johanna who married George Thompson.

 

Mae Mattson works for Gilbert C Hatleberg family in 1940.

 

Ingebor Hatleberg is the widow of Henry Olai Hatleberg.

 

Josephine Petra Harvey, daughter of Sophia and Ted, was married to Lloyd A Johnson.

Jane Trnka is a daughter of Sophia, step child of Ted.

Ilene Harvey was married to Ed Vavrichek

 

Alma Johnson is the wife of George Thompson who lived in Grand Forks N.D.

 

Endret November 17 av Jackie K Marler

[Lars Johannessen]

Da fant jeg en Henry Johnson i Becker i 1885, her er han ført sammen med Jette Johnson 28 år. (nr 29) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D181-5R?view=index&action=view

Familie 25 foran er  Lewis og Cecilia Thompson med seks barn (Lars og Cecilie Hatleberg).