Looking for some family... Olsen/Andersen

[Anton Hagelee]

Looks like the marriage records start with 1900 for the Central Lutheran Church in Oakland so that route might not be much help.  Page 190

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/1322292?tid=&pid=&queryId=80c8570c-df23-4436-8f98-751b245b8789&_phsrc=XRr7&_phstart=successSource

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/1322292?tid=&pid=&queryId=7267bec3-52cb-4c9a-9db0-d9972e66111a&_phsrc=XRr9&_phstart=successSource

Endret Januar 16 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Here is the son that was mentioned a couple messages back:

 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/G8NB-XMK

[californiapost]

And the family before Marie Emilie Andersen was born, circa 1885 (this is the page for that link:

 

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/37987/98

[Anton Hagelee]

I was hoping that it would be possible to find the marriage record for Harry and Marie but it would appear that they were married before the church started and before the year of their marriage. 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Another approach would be to check the baptism records to see if any of the witnesses can be connected back to the bride either in Norway or Sweden. Seems to me that Marie ended up in Oakland for a reason, A friend or relative was already there  and was the reason for her ending up in Oakland and marrying Harry. 

 

One of the witnesses for Harry Andreas born in 1899 is a Miss Olga Ramsey, probably the daughter pf Peter B Ramsey who is traced back to Arendal. Not so surprising. The other witness is a J Koster no further info on him.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/1322292?tid=&pid=&queryId=80c8570c-df23-4436-8f98-751b245b8789&_phsrc=XRr7&_phstart=successSource

Endret Januar 17 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Yep, from what I understand, Harry went to the US as early as 15, maybe earlier... His father died at age 5 after all, and he had spent all of his life on the sea... I have leads that need to be organized regarding his movements. So when he left in 1890/91 he apparently already had a home base in Oakland. (I have his actual peacoat and trench coat in my possession.) He worked extensively as a seaman/captain in northern California, and perhaps farther abroad (great lakes/east coast)

[Anton Hagelee]

3 minutes ago, californiapost said:

He worked extensively as a seaman/captain in northern California, and perhaps farther abroad (great lakes/east coast)

 

Not surprising that Harry gets to the bay area, but why Marie Andersen is a bit harder to figure out.

[Anton Hagelee]

Here are the baptisms of the two of the children. 

 

[californiapost]

Agreed... I'm currently working to timeline both of their movements during those years, which will help connect... and hopefully deliver the elusive birthdate proof! : )

[Anton Hagelee]

My guess is that Mabel was born before this church started  and so the baptism record for her does not exist. 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

12 minutes ago, californiapost said:

Agreed... I'm currently working to timeline both of their movements during those years, which will help connect... and hopefully deliver the elusive birthdate proof! : )

 

That would be ideal but even finding a relative of the Marei from østfold would go a long way toward giving me some belief that the Marie born in Berg is your Marie. 

 

I have not found the baptism records for the other children in the ELCA records for Central Lutheran

Endret Januar 17 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Awesome stuff again Anton, thanks so much! I'll let you know how that goes : )

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Actually here is 

 

Marie Gurtrud Olsen

in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

NameMarie Gurtrud Olsen

Baptism Age2

Record TypeBaptism

Birth Date31 Aug 1902

Baptism Date16 Mar 1905

Baptism PlaceSan Francisco, California, USA

FatherHarry Olsen

MotherOlsen

Church NameBethlehem Lutheran

Church LocationSan Francisco, California

 

Witnesses are Mrs I Wold and M? R Hansen

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/2487479

 

Endret Januar 17 av Anton Hagelee

[Jackie K Marler]

9 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

It is a difficult task to find anything out about your Marie Anderson born art 1869 and emigrated in 1890 but I wonder if you have looked at this person. Marie Emilie Andersen 

 

Number 62. Leaving for Sweden October  1889 from Fredrikshald Sogn Halden prestegjeld

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060718030047

 

Hard to read the writing in the last column 

last bit is konf. i Fhald, ug.  meaning confirmed in Fredrikshald, unmarried date 29 April 1890

 

So she is #23

Halden prestekontor Kirkebøker, AV/SAO-A-10909/F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. I 11, 1878-1889, p. 314
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060906020502

 

I see this has been reported before--excuse me!

 

Her baptism is #8:

Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, AV/SAO-A-10902/F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1861-1877, p. 64
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070605310065

 

And the family tree you posted a link to is only recently been worked on by a Norwegian....13 January 2025 by K Skorstad

 

California death index 1905-1939

More explanations about the info: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1SK-8WX?cc=1932433&wc=14216745&i=5

 

The sexton at the Evergreen Cemetery may be able to give you more information such as a possible birthdate, death date or burial date:

6450 Camden St
Oakland, California 94605-2042

(510) 632-1602

Endret Januar 17 av Jackie K Marler

[californiapost]

12 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Actually here is 

 

Marie Gurtrud Olsen

in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969

NameMarie Gurtrud Olsen

Baptism Age2

Record TypeBaptism

Birth Date31 Aug 1902

Baptism Date16 Mar 1905

Baptism PlaceSan Francisco, California, USA

FatherHarry Olsen

MotherOlsen

Church NameBethlehem Lutheran

Church LocationSan Francisco, California

 

Witnesses are Mrs I Wold and M? R Hansen

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/2487479

 

 

Yep, this is my great grandmother, who I knew as a child. To the entire family, she was known only by the nickname "Honey", or Grandma Honey. She was married to sailor/engineer Roy Franklin Taylor, my beloved great grandfather, who I also knew, and who gives me the Taylor name.

 

 

[californiapost]

9 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

last bit is konf. i Fhald, ug.  meaning confirmed in Fredrikshald, unmarried date 29 April 1890

 

So she is #23

Halden prestekontor Kirkebøker, AV/SAO-A-10909/F/Fa/L0011: Parish register (official) no. I 11, 1878-1889, p. 314
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060906020502

 

I see this has been reported before--excuse me!

 

Her baptism is #8:

Berg prestekontor Kirkebøker, AV/SAO-A-10902/F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1861-1877, p. 64
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070605310065

 

And the family tree you posted a link to is only recently been worked on by a Norwegian....13 January 2025 by K Skorstad

 

California death index 1905-1939

More explanations about the info: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-L1SK-8WX?cc=1932433&wc=14216745&i=5

 

The sexton at the Evergreen Cemetery may be able to give you more information such as a possible birthdate, death date or burial date:

6450 Camden St
Oakland, California 94605-2042

(510) 632-1602

 

Thanks a bunch for these! I believe I have some other church docs for Marie Emilie in Østfold, I'll send those along : )

[californiapost]

Here's a random immigration find regarding Marie Andersen, at age 21 entering the US,  estimating her birth year then to be 1868, also states her to be a US citizen, servant... more to come.. : )

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-BYNH-3?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVSL-V5F3&action=view&cc=1849782

[Anton Hagelee]

1 hour ago, californiapost said:

Here's a random immigration find regarding Marie Andersen, at age 21 entering the US,  estimating her birth year then to be 1868, also states her to be a US citizen, servant... more to come.. : )

 

This is likely the same Marie Andersen leaving Norway. Residence is listed as Tøckfors and emigration is to Hutchinson Minn. Just below Marie Andersen on your  list and on the record posted below is a Alvilde Johnsen. Ship is also the Germanic.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/194/pe00000001331476

 

 

Endret Januar 17 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Alvilde Johnsen is an interesting person. Travels form Norway to America about seven times that I can find,  Leaves from Kristiansand and is shown as living in Grimstad. Both very close to Arendal, 

 

Here is one of the trips. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000262893

 

 

[californiapost]

Random sighting: Harry and Marie show up as mother and father in a marriage certificate for a girl listed as Magda Nilsen. Perhaps a God child or employee..

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2C6-RBNK

[californiapost]

Here's a possible birth cert for the Alvilde Johnsen... perhaps aka Alvilde Johanne Johnsen... born 1869 ...coincidentally, there is a Johanna Johansen listed as mother on the marriage cert above...

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PG-39V3?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A683Q-YLJC&action=view&cc=4237104

[californiapost]

Here is strange find, listing a child born to a Sjøman Hans Olsen and Marie Olsen, staying in Solheim during that time... perhaps another coincidence, but Harry and Marie named their 5th child "Eva Alma" ...Eva being a translation for Ovidia.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-93P5-SN8T?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A687Z-6VJ2&action=view&cc=4237104

[californiapost]

And another misc. possible connection: This is a voter registration list from Boston, for a Marie E. Olsen... Possible that the family had rentals, or kept residence in various cities for Harry's work or for investment. This list shows her as 34 years old, but that is also the street number of the home. The remarks on the list, and the place of birth being "Norway Sweden" in intriguing.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS68-H9W7-D?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A7L1C-186Z&action=view&cc=3159283

[californiapost]

Here is a possible link to a witness on Marie's baptism: Mrs. I. Wold

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68GK-58WW

[Anton Hagelee]

32 minutes ago, californiapost said:

Here is a possible link to a witness on Marie's baptism: Mrs. I. Wold

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68GK-58WW

 

Yes we met her on page one as the sister of Harry J Olson. Name is Inga or Ingaborg Olsen and married to Peder Wold

 

Now if we could find some relations of or friends of Marie Andersen we might be able to make some progress. 

 

 

 

Endret Januar 17 av Anton Hagelee