Looking for some family... Olsen/Andersen

[californiapost]

Also, I have found a great many appearances on Newspapers.com, searching for : Hans Olsen, Hans J Olsen, Harry Olsen, Marie Andersen, and Marie Olsen, etc. Also searching for Captain Harry Olsen/Hans Olsen, as he was a prolific sailor and captain.

 

I think there is something to her clearly being referred to as "Marie Emilie Andersen" in marriage announcements, linking the "M.E. Andersen" to the "Marie Emilie Andersen". Furthermore, through family, and tracing census' etc. I can trace their residences around Oakland over the years, and have gleaned that her address was 1429 Adeline St. in Berkeley, confirmed by the Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. This connects to one of several death announcements and obits, which state her memorial to be at the Chapel of the Flowers on Adeline St. 

 

The cemetery had other very helpful info, and some slightly confusing info, which wasn't too surprising.

Endret Januar 22 av californiapost

[Jackie K Marler]

11 hours ago, californiapost said:

If it's any help, it looks like that index is pointing to: Book "T", Page: 245

Alameda County Clerk-Recorder's Office

  1106 Madison Street Oakland, CA 94607   local:1-510-272-6362   toll free:1-888-280-7708 

 

According to Handybook, Alameda county marriage records begin 1854 and are kept at the county clerk's office, as well as some death records from 1905-1988.

 

California has a vital records department from which you can order death certificates.

https://www.ca.gov/departments/176/services/53/

 

or from outside vendors:

https://statevitalrecords.org/California/death-certificate

Endret Januar 22 av Jackie K Marler

[Jackie K Marler]

It appears that her family members nipped back and forth into Sweden.  Perhaps the Swedish ELCA records have her marriage?

[Jackie K Marler]

10 hours ago, californiapost said:

Also, I have found a great many appearances on Newspapers.com, searching for : Hans Olsen, Hans J Olsen, Harry Olsen, Marie Andersen, and Marie Olsen, etc. Also searching for Captain Harry Olsen/Hans Olsen, as he was a prolific sailor and captain.

 

I think there is something to her clearly being referred to as "Marie Emilie Andersen" in marriage announcements, linking the "M.E. Andersen" to the "Marie Emilie Andersen". Furthermore, through family, and tracing census' etc. I can trace their residences around Oakland over the years, and have gleaned that her address was 1429 Adeline St. in Berkeley, confirmed by the Evergreen Cemetery in Oakland. This connects to one of several death announcements and obits, which state her memorial to be at the Chapel of the Flowers on Adeline St. 

 

The cemetery had other very helpful info, and some slightly confusing info, which wasn't too surprising.

Well, if you are satisfied that you "know" everything there is to know about Marie, that's up to you.  But personally, since of her closeness to you generationally, going the full distance to get some of these records not available through the online services are the ones needed to "extinguish" doubt about her and to give you imprimatur of having taken all the steps. Besides you are hoping for the unknowns  in these records to add more flesh on the bones.

[Jackie K Marler]

11 hours ago, californiapost said:

The cemetery had other very helpful info, and some slightly confusing info, which wasn't too surprising.

What was confusing about the information at the cemetery?

[californiapost]

Thanks for all of that info, I appreciate it! Yep, my vested interest in solving the riddle entirely leaves me still searching for even more definitive proof : ) ...FYI, As you may have read, I am originally from the Oakland area, live in PA now. I did however live in Norway for about 15 years earlier in my career... and also have a 9/16ths Norwegian son studying in Oslo now (his 9/16ths includes the 1/8th that I have on my side) So this process is definitely letting me hone my language skills even more! Regarding odd info from the cemetery, they had her age as 72, but that would put her birth year at 1867, when the data says it should be 71... she also apparently died on Dec 31st 1939, and was interred on Jan 3rd 1940 . (Coincidentally, Harry's father died on Dec 31st in Merdø.) Concerning her stated age, there could be something up with the death date, perhaps arbitrary for some reason... Her headstone reads 1868 as the birth year, which would make her 71. Furthermore, the "Dot Matrix" death records from the county say she has birthday of February 3rd, and is 72 years old, which is entirely confusing, as she has stated her birthday as Oct/1868 multiple times previously. (Feb 3 is a completely new date in this search, not corresponding to any other doc. Furthermore, that birthdate doesn't correspond with any other Marie in Norway or Sweden in any of my searching.) Both of their ages have drifted here and there, referring to stated ages on census' etc. But there is enough consistency and contextual explanation to draw a line through them... (they are always ~8 years apart, depending on the birthday fall... I knew his confirmed b-day from family, as Nov 25 1860... consistent census data... etc. )

 

I'll look into the county office for the missing marriage cert. More to come!

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

3 hours ago, Jackie K Marler said:

It appears that her family members nipped back and forth into Sweden.  Perhaps the Swedish ELCA records have her marriage?

 

There is a Church in Oakland found in the 

 

U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Swedish American Church Records, 1800-1947 in Ancestry.com. It is called 

1. St Pauls Lutheran Church

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61584/?redirectFor=db.aspx

 

I did not have any luck in searching at that site. But searching the transcribed records in either of the two ELCA sites is not easy and it is easy to miss the person one wants.  The best way to search but a laborious one is page by page. 

 

 

[californiapost]

Just came across a Swedish immigration doc on Arkivdigital.se showing Marie Andersen (with an 'e') immigrating out of Sweden to Sacramento, US.

 

https://app.arkivdigital.se/volume/v479785?image=1630&page=323&register_collection=26&register_post_aid=r26.p157112821

[Anton Hagelee]

7 minutes ago, californiapost said:

Just came across a Swedish immigration doc on Arkivdigital.se showing Marie Andersen (with an 'e') immigrating out of Sweden to Sacramento, US.

 

Yes, I saw that a few days ago in Ancestry.com but could not find an arrival record to match with it. But here it is for your records. 

 

Marie Andersen

in the Swedish Emigration Records, 1783-1951

NameMarie Andersen

Birth Yearabt 1868

GenderKvinna (Female)

Place of OriginAmerika

DestinationSacramento

Record Date6 apr. 1898 (6 Apr 1898)

Port of DepartureGöteborg

Database NameEmiHamn

Archive Call Number61:323:5364

Principal PersonAndersen Marie

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1189/records/317550

 

 

[californiapost]

This is the Pastor that married them: I.L.P. Dietrichsen 

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196456160/isak-levin_preus-dietrichsen

 

https://localwiki.org/oakland/St._Paul's_English_Evangelical_Lutheran_Church

[Anton Hagelee]

So I tracked a lady leaving on the same date from Goteberg on a ship named Campania and found this Marie Andersen going to Sacamentro, Traveling home to her sister. 

 

Marie Andersen

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameMarie Andersen

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalitySwedish

Age30

Birth Dateabt 1868

Departure PortLiverpool, England

Arrival Date17 Apr 1898

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Residence PlaceSweden

Ship NameCampania

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/4037212730?tid=&pid=&queryId=b36c24e1-4f51-4163-a616-cacc46210dd5&_phsrc=pEo13&_phstart=successSource

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Januar 22 av Anton Hagelee

[Jackie K Marler]

4 hours ago, californiapost said:

This is the Pastor that married them: I.L.P. Dietrichsen 

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196456160/isak-levin_preus-dietrichsen

 

https://localwiki.org/oakland/St._Paul's_English_Evangelical_Lutheran_Church

Norsk Lutherske Prester i Amerika page 140

[Anton Hagelee]

Do you have any evidence that Marie Emilie Andersen had any sisters living in California. Here is the Swedish Household Survey from 1894

 

Andreas Andersen

in the Sweden, Household Clerical Surveys, 1654-1901

NameAndreas Andersen

RelationshipHead

Residence Age62

Birth Date28 jan. 1829 (28 Jan 1829)

Birth PlaceFredrikshall

Year range1891-1894

Residence PlaceÖdskölt, Älvsborg, Sverige (Sweden)

Village, Farm, or CroftAlltorp, Ängen

Date Moved Out of Parish30 juni 1894 (30 Jun 1894)

Place Moved ToBerg, Norge (Norway)

OccupationArr.

Household Members (Name)Relationship

Andreas AndersenHead

Maria Elisabeth EkerothHustru (Wife)

Anna SofieBarn (Child)

Julie KarolineBarn (Child)

Laura MathildaBarn (Child)

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9731/records/7420945

 

[californiapost]

I'll have to take a close look at the Cunard Line pic from above... I don't know of a sister living in the US, but I can imagine Marie, and family, traveling back and forth from time to time. FYI: I believe that there was also a "Marie Elisabeth Andersen" born in that family in 1866, but died at 9 months, as far as I can tell. Regarding sisters, it's a bit confusing, because of the fact that Marie was born to a Norwegian father and Swedish mother, and that the family was moving from Sweden into Norway for a span, then back to Sweden. The family relocates, and she logs a move from Norway back to Sweden, then appears to have taken a ship overseas, perhaps working in Norway/Sweden for a time... 

[Anton Hagelee]

Whoa, what about this person. Seems to be a sister of Marie Emilie and is moving to California?

 

Julie Karoline Andersen

in the Norway, Emigration Records, 1867-1960

NameJulie Karoline Andersen

GenderKvinnelig

Marital StatusUgift (Single)

Birth Date25. des 1881 (25 Dec 1881)

Last Known Residence PlaceAmerika

Emigration Date4 Oct

Emigration PlaceOslo, Norge

Emigration DestinationCalifornia

Emigration ShipOscar Ii

Household Members (Name)

Julie Karoline Andersen

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61757/records/182703

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Januar 22 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is her birth record. 

 

Julie Karoline

in the Norway, Births and Christenings, 1648-1903

NameJulie Karoline

GenderFemale

Christening Age0

Birth Date25. des 1881 (25 Dec 1881)

Christening Date18. jun 1882 (18 Jun 1882)

Christening PlaceHalden, Ostfold, Norway

FatherAndreas Andersen

MotherMarie Elisabeth

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1345/records/39147

 

 

[californiapost]

Name sounds familiar, but can't say that I've calculated that one : ) 

[Anton Hagelee]

I think this is the smoking gun

 

Julia Anderson

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameJulia Anderson[Julia Andersen]

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalityScandinavian

Marital StatusSingle

Age31

Birth Dateabt 1881

Birth PlaceSweden

Other Birth PlaceAltorp

Last Known ResidenceChr., Sweeden

Departure PortChristiania

Arrival Date17 Oct 1912

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Residence PlaceSweden

Final DestinationOakland, California

Height5 Feet, 4 Inches

Hair ColorFair

Eye ColorBlue

ComplexionFresh

Money in Possession$10

Person in Old CountryAndras Andersen

Person in Old Country RelationshipFather

Person in Old Country ResidenceAlborp Dalsland

Person in USMarie Olsen

Person in US RelationshipSister

FatherAndras Andersen

SiblingMarie Olsen

Ship NameOscar II

Save

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/4037484254?tid=&pid=&queryId=2f063436-049a-46ce-98e8-865071190227&_phsrc=EBB1&_phstart=successSource

 

 

 

 

Endret Onsdag 23:26 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

[Anton Hagelee]

Nr 25

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Emigration Record for Julia Karoline

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000001129651

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Baptism for Julia Karoline

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000027966154

 

Nr 74

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061011030441

 

 

Endret Onsdag 23:41 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Regarding the Cunard doc, that jives that she says she has been traveling to the US for 9 years... and the fact that she says she is going home... She would have already been married, so there is a question why she is marked "from USA" then scratched out to say Swedish. Otherwise, age seems to be exactly correct, destination makes sense also...

[californiapost]

AWESOME Anton!! Well done!! : )

[Anton Hagelee]

On 1/21/2025 at 10:20 AM, californiapost said:

So, do you think there is enough information to tie this 'Marie' to the 'Marie Emilie Andersen', daughter of Andreas Andersen (NOR) & Marie Elisabeth Ekerot (SWE) of Berg/Fredrikshald? ...given the information found on her through this lengthy thread : )

 

 

Yes now you have information to tie Marie from Oakland to Marie Emilie Andersen', daughter of Andreas Andersen (NOR) & Marie Elisabeth Ekerot (SWE) of Berg/Fredrikshald? .