Looking for some family... Olsen/Andersen

[californiapost]

Thanks again to everyone helping me out in this search! I'm truly impressed and grateful! 

[Jackie K Marler]

14 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

Baptism for Julia Karoline

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000027966154

 

Nr 74

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061011030441

 

 

This may be Julie in US 1930 census, says Norwegian father, Swedish mother and has been here since 1906 as it says on the 1912 trip home passenger list:

[californiapost]

On 1/7/2025 at 1:51 PM, californiapost said:

Thanks again gang for the input! I appreciate every word! Yep, regarding the California destination, it seems to revolve around Captain Harry Olsen, the Great-Great-Grandfather that was working on the sea until his death in Oakland. He raised a family there with Marie E Andersen (that name can take many paths of variation, and crosses the Norwegian/Swedish research line) They did well for themselves, and raised many children, including my Great Grandmother Marie Gertrude Olsen, who I had the pleasure of knowing as a child. Captain Harry Olsen, and consequently the Norwegian side of my family, seems to have made a B-line for the west coast, the line of work as a captain of large sailing ships, tugs, barges, ferries, etc. surely had something to do with it.

 

(For some rabbit hole intrigue, I have found two completely different shipwreck stories involving a Harry Olsen. Harrowing to say the least. Harry Olsen is not a rare name then or now, but some vitals line up suspiciously. These wrecks are noted on https://www.islapedia.com/index.php?title=OLSEN,_Harry and https://davidcecelski.com/2023/04/16/the-wreck-of-the-edward-luckenbach/ )

 

Side note: I was raised near Oakland, CA myself, knowing a decent amount about my roots, including the 1/8th Norwegian that came from my father's side. Coincidentally, in  1998 I was offered a job in Europe, first Warsaw, then Stockholm, then Norway. There I stayed in Oslo for about 15 years, and have a son who is going to school there still. I live in Pittsburgh, PA now, but I travel to Norway quite often : )

 

So after all of this time, I am just peeling back the layers of my Scandinavian roots, on behalf of my Norwegian/American son : ) ...I tell him on occasion that he is "9/16ths Norwegian"

 

Well, I have a few leads on the Marie E Andersen... Seems she may have been working as house help of one sort or another, and her route seems may have been from southern Sweden, up through perhaps the Ostland Norway/Sweden border area around Fredrickshald. One US census states her father as Norwegian, and mother as

Swedish. I have a few other leads from the Norwegian official genealogy pages, hopefully I can decipher that pesky Scandinavia-to-US emigrant name translation. : )

 

Very nice to have even more meat on the bone! Thanks so much! It has been quite the learning experience! In this case, I'm happy to find that the general framework of this search has conformed to the stories that I remember hearing, and supported by the knowledge of places and locations that I grew up in myself, or had the chance to experience in my adult life. 

 

I have a few items from the Norwegian side of the family, including the picture of Harry in a captains chair that I posted circa 1905, plus some other photos of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation people and places, some that I even had the chance to meet at a young age. (namely, my great grandparents Marie "Honey" Gertrude Olsen and Roy Franklin Taylor.) I also have Harry's wool pea coat and his long wool trench coat, with a handwritten script "Hans Olsen" on the Oakland clothier label. 

 

I didn't think that this connection was going to be so hard to prove, especially ironic given the family/story above each of them fell into place quite easy. I believed I knew where they came from, and definitely knew where they ended up, so the hunt began! I am glad that the proof/truth can be found, which is the only thing that really matters, despite anyone's desired outcome : ) Thanks again!

 

I have one little throwback to send out, in case it was interesting to anyone... I could add it to another thread, but given this groups knowledge of this family, perhaps better here. The citation above is from the very beginning of this search, and it includes an intriguing potential storyline/rabbit hole/red herring (in blue) regarding Captain Harry Olsen. Again, this has many reasons to be coincidence, but too many conforming facts to ignore. 

 

Regarding the man, Harry Olsen, I know that he was born on Merdø, an island off Arendal, and his father died at sea when he was 5. He was a deck hand from early on, and sailing across the world by the age of 15 (1875), perhaps earlier. (His travel list is long!) He did well for family, as he could stay busy as a captain in those demanding days, all over the world, especially the US, and the California Coast/Bay Area in particular. He was strict, and he was away a lot, I hear. He was certainly destined to be a man of the sea. I know that he had a great deal of experience on the sea, especially given that he lived through the transition from sailed to engined craft, and had the helm of many large vessels. Some of the facts from the stories line up completely, down to the mention of age, body type, stature, status, locations, etc. Also, many newspaper mentions of a Captain Harry Olsen regarding captains lists/itineraries/destinations/ships/days at sea/ship incidents, etc which could be pertinent ...Of course, some facts are out-of-the-gate questionable, like showing up on a different coast, or the mention of a certain residence, but strangely, there is little known about either of these wrecks in the citation.

 

So, if anyone has a sec, take a look at those two links in the citation. ...and have a coffee... they're pretty crazy.

Endret Torsdag 19:48 av californiapost

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is the marriage record of the parents of your Marie E Andersen 

 

Maria Elisabeth

in the Sweden, Indexed Marriage Records, 1860-1947

NameMaria Elisabeth

Maiden NameEkeroth

GenderKvinna (Female)

Age23

Birth Date1842

Marriage Date24 jan. 1865 (24 Jan 1865)

Marriage PlaceNössemark, Älvsborg (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)

SpouseAndreas Andersson

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61363/records/901348149?tid=165173063&pid=192150247690&ssrc=pt

 

Nr 4 

 

 

 

Endret Fredag 02:02 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is a fairly decent tree for your Swedish side of the family. 

 

Maria Elisabeth Ekeroth

in the Geneanet Community Trees Index

NameMaria Elisabeth Ekeroth

GenderF (Female)

Birth Date2 janv. 1842 (2 Jan 1842)

Birth PlaceStora Solhem, Nössemark, Dalsland

Death Date18 juil. 1925 (18 Jul 1925)

Death PlaceAlltorp, Ödskölt förs., Dalsland

FatherJohan Hendrik Ekeroth

MotherKajsa Maja Hult

 

https://gw.geneanet.org/leifeek?n=ekeroth&oc=&p=maria+elisabeth&_gl=1*11o3nbd*_gcl_dc*R0NMLjE3MzY3MDA1MjQuZDRhOTMxYWVkZjEzMWRhNTY3ODA1MWEzODc3YmEyN2Q.*_gcl_au*MTgwNTE0MTkwOC4xNzM1NDA0NzMx*_ga*MTAyODk5NTQ5NS4xNzM1NDA0NzMy*_ga_LMK6K2LSJH*OTZmNzUyNDktZTM0OS00NTg0LThlNjAtNmVlNTg2MjQwMDI5LjU2LjEuMTczNzY4NDE1Mi4wLjAuMA..

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62476/records/5189271649

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Johan Hendrik Ekeroth

in the Geneanet Community Trees Index

NameJohan Hendrik Ekeroth

GenderM (Male)

Birth Date25 mars 1808 (25 Mar 1808)

Birth PlaceStora Solhem, Nössemark, Dalsland

Death Date21 mars 1892 (21 Mar 1892)

Death PlaceStora Strand, Nössemark

FatherCarl Adel (Adolf) Ekeroth

MotherCatharina Svensdotter

SpouseKajsa Maja Hult

ChildChristina Sofia EkerothEva Carolina EkerothFredrik Thure EkerothFredrik Wilhelm Ekeroth EkerothKarl Martin EkerothMaria Elisabeth Ekeroth

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/62476/records/5189271646

 

https://gw.geneanet.org/leifeek?lang=en&pz=adam&nz=eek&p=johan+hendrik&n=ekeroth

 

 

 

 

Endret Fredag 02:07 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is the same person on the Geni.com website which when used with care can be used to guide one in searching back in time for your ancestors. Using the Action button and the Ancestors Report takes you back to the 1600's

 

Johan Henrik Hindrik Ekeroth  

Gender:	Male
Birth:	March 27, 1808 Nössemark, Västra Götalands län, Sweden
Death:	March 21, 1892 (83) Nössemark, Västra Götalands län, Sweden   https://www.geni.com/people/Johan-Henrik-Ekeroth/6000000062976580821

Endret Fredag 02:15 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Amazing stuff! : )

[Anton Hagelee]

You might have a little more work to find the Ancestors of 

 

Andreas Andersen

1829–1916

BIRTH 28 JAN 1829 • Fredrikshald, Norge

DEATH 14 JUL 1916 • Alltorp, Ödskölt, Dalsland, Sverige

 

Here is the person that best fits this person. 

 

Nr 30

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061011040391

 

Father is Anders Thoresen and mother is Elizabeth Evensdatter

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036097110

 

 

 

 

Endret Fredag 03:11 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Andreas Andersen

in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927

NameAndreas Andersen

GenderMale

Baptism Date4. jul 1830 (4 Jul 1830)

Baptism PlaceHalden,Ostfold,Norway

FatherAnders Thoresen

MotherElisabeth Evensdr

FHL Film Number125884

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60092/records/4334533?tid=&pid=&queryId=e98b02e9-1d1d-4309-95a2-78849162f081&_phsrc=Cqa15&_phstart=successSource

 

Might  be stuck here for this family history?

 

 

 

 

Endret Fredag 03:21 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

Excellent Anton! I'll see how far I can get on those!

[Anton Hagelee]

So here is some further info on the family of Anders Thorsen and Elizabeth Evensdatter. Another child Johan Andersen born 1834, Farm is Budstrud 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000038528318

 

Christian Julius born 1830

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036097327

 

Caroline born 1832

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036097522

 

 

Endret Fredag 22:56 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

So further digging finds Anders Thorsen and Elisabeth Evensdatter living with Andreas and his family on Egelien. Birth years are given for the two of 1797 for Anders and 1803 for Elisabeth, birth place is Edsberg.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01037987002971

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Finding the above information leads to the marriage record of Anders Thorsen and Lisbet Evensdatter. 

 

Anders Thorsen

in the Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938

NameAnders Thorsen

Marriage Age25

Record Typeekteskap (Marriage)

Birth Dateabt 1797

Marriage Date18. sep 1822 (18 Sep 1822)

Marriage PlaceEidsberg, Østfold, Norge (Norway)

Marriage MunicipalityEidsberg

Residence PlaceSkollerud

FatherChristian Torkelsen

SpouseLisbet Evensdr

 

I suspect that the names for the couples fathers is a mistake and more likely the names of the witnesses. Bad transcription 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60606/records/10190842

 

Nr 54 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061019050029

 

Looks like Amders Thorsen is a soldier which may make finding more about him a little difficult.

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000011803039

 

Farm names on Skollerud for Anders and Trønberg for Lisbet

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret Fredag 23:36 av Anton Hagelee

[californiapost]

And the hits keep comin'! Thanks a bunch! : )

[Anton Hagelee]

But they are slowing down. I expect to run out of steam on this part of your Tree fairly soon. 

 

Here is the oldest son of Anders and Lisbet. The farm at that time was Næple Plads which may not be a farm at all.  I remember seeing a Family Tree on Ancestry.com that had the parents of Andreas Andersen as  Anders Thorsen and Maria Naeple. Close but not totally correct. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000043978286

 

Here is a list of the farm names in Eidsberg Parish 

 

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Eidsberg_Parish,_Østfold,_Norway_Genealogy

 

 

[californiapost]

I hear ya! Amazing work though! I have learned a great deal during this process, much appreciated!

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Probably a shot in the dark. But a candidate for Anders Thorsen in the 1801 Census

 

Thor Olsen

in the 1801 Norway Census

NameThor Olsen

GenderMannlig (Male)

Marital StatusGift (Married)

Age32

Birth Yearabt 1769

Census year1801

CityEidsberg

CountyØstfold

County Number01

Counting DistrictWesterbye

Counting District Number0045

Enumeration District Number003

Relation to HeadMand (Husband)

House Number05

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship

Thor Olsen32Mand (Husband)

Aaslaug Amundsdatter35Hans Hustru

Anders Thorsen4Deres børn

Olia Thorsdatter7Deres børn

Ragnild Thorsdatter1Deres børn

Anne Thorsdatter1Deres børn

Anne Gundrødsdatter68

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61749/records/32485?tid=&pid=&queryId=2c99bb4d-2ccf-4d07-bf17-79df66537cc6&_phsrc=ETi5&_phstart=successSource

 

 

[californiapost]

Great way to start the weekend! : ) Thanks all!