Requesting Help Finding Norwegian and Swedish Records

[AlexS41]

I would appreciate help finding additional records for Johan Svendsen B. 14 June 1852 and Marie Svendsen f Maden B. 14 March 1860 (and their children).  Both were born in Sweden and emigrated to Norway and as far as I can tell all their children were born in Norway.

 

Transcribed Records (Fredrikshalds, Norway) that I have found are:

1900 Census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036993010696

1910 Census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01036333014559

1920 Census: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073637013850

 

Record Images (Fredrikshalds, Norway) that I have found are:

1900 Census: (Have been unable to find)

1910 Census: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/36333/6726

1920 Census: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/73637/28560  (Johan)

1920 Census: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/73637/28562  (Marie)

1920 Census: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/73637/28564  (Sofie)

1920 Census: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/73637/28566  (David)

 

According to the 1920 Census record they were married on 12 April 1889, but does not give a location.  I was told they were married in Sweden, however looking at Riksarkivet records it looks like both were single when they emigrated to Norway.  They may have married in Norway or possibly in the U.S. 

 

Johan’s moving out of Sweden record (Line 128 with a date of 27 Dec 1879):

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00111985_00214

 

Marie’s moving out of Sweden record (Line 2 with a date of 5 Jan 1881):  https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00091277_00054

This moving out Record is for a Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter born 12 March 1860 in Myrehvarv, Dalskog, Älvsborg, Sweden.  I feel this is Marie Svendsen f Maden who is married to Johan Svendsen, however I may have this wrong.

 

Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter’s birth record: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0043441_00030 

Bild 30 / Sida 41, right hand page, fifth record down from top, 12 March 1860.

 

If it is of any value I can provide numerous Riksarkivet links for both Johan and Maja as they moved in Sweden.  Their FamilySearch PID’s are:  Johan’s G3GZ-QZX and Maja’s 9KGN-H16.

 

I am hoping to locate Johan and Marie’s marriage record as well as any other records for them and other members of this family.

 

As I am new to genealogy - new to this forum - new to navigating Digitalarkivet.  I am hoping my request is appropriate,  if not please advise.  

 

Tusen takk!

[Matthias Kolberg]

According to the 1920 census, Johan was in America between 1881 and 1893.

 

Their son Paul was born 18 August 1895, baptized No. 5

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060602060337

 

Sofie was born 12 October 1899, baptized No. 13

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060602060344

Endret Onsdag 21:19 av Matthias Kolberg

[Anton Hagelee]

3 hours ago, AlexS41 said:

 

Record Images (Fredrikshalds, Norway) that I have found are:

1900 Census: (Have been unable to find)

 

From Ancestry.com 

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60604/records/1212613

 

Johan Svendsen

in the 1900 Norway Census

NameJohan Svendsen

Gendermann (Male)

Record TypeUrban

Birth Date1853

Birth PlaceSverige

Residence Date1900

Residence PlaceFredrikshald (Halden), Østfold, Østfold (Ostfold), Norge (Norway)

Residence Street AddressTistedalsgaden 0020, 1ste etasje, 04

Enumeration District019a

Farm Number799s2a

Marital StatusGift (Married)

Residential StatusBosat

Relation to HeadHusfar (Head)

SpouseMarie Svendsen

ChildPaul SvendsenSofie Svendsen

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

2 hours ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

According to the 1920 census, Johan was in America between 1881 and 1893.

 

Maybe a long shot but here is a Johan Svedsen leaving Norway in 1881 last residence Blekinge, 

 

Johan Svendsen

in the Norway, Emigration Records, 1867-1960

NameJohan Svendsen

GenderMannlig (Male)

Emigration Age29

Birth Dateabt 1852

Last Known Residence PlaceBlekinge

Emigration Date1. des 1881 (1 Dec 1881)

Emigration PlaceOslo, Norge

Emigration ShipThingvalla

Household Members (Name)Age

Johan Svendsen29

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61757/records/522158?tid=&pid=&queryId=c998bd15-ceb3-494e-9aa7-311d5324d3f5&_phsrc=JaU7&_phstart=successSource

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000448666?

 

 

Endret i går, 00:15 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

[Anton Hagelee]

For what it's worth here is the information that appears from Ancestry.com on a search for Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter. 

 

Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter

in the Sweden, Emigrants Registered in Church Books, 1783-1991

NameMaja Kajsa Mattesdotter

GenderKvinna (Female)

Birth Date12 mars 1860 (12 Mar 1860)

Birth PlaceÄlvsborg (Västra Götaland), Dalskog

Birth ParishDalskog

Departure Date5 jan. 1881 (5 Jan 1881)

Departure PlaceÄlvsborg (Västra Götaland), Bäcke

Arrival PlaceFredrikshald (Halden), Norge (Norway)

Occupation or RelationÄgaredotter

Marital StatusUnmarried (Single)

NotesTravels alone

Page2

Original Page49

SourceBäcke Hfl 1881-1885

Household Members (Name)

Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61085/records/944148

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Ancestry does not always transcribe last names correctly 

 

Maja Kajsa Jonasson

in the Sweden, Select Baptisms, 1611-1909

NameMaja Kajsa Jonasson

GenderFemale

Residence Age0

Birth Date12 mars 1860 (12 Mar 1860)

Baptism Date15 mars 1860 (15 Mar 1860)

Baptism PlaceDalskog, Alvsborg, Sweden

Residence Date1860

Residence PlaceOr, Alvsborg, Sweden

FatherMattes Jonasson

MotherInga Jacobsdr

FHL Film Number85328

Reference ID2:1JZB9KK

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60361/records/20076873

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Maja Kajsa

in the Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1947

NameMaja Kajsa

GenderKvinna

Birth Date12 mars 1860 (12 Mar 1860)

Birth PlaceDalskog, Älvsborg (Västra Götaland), Sverige (Sweden)

FatherM Jonasson

MotherJ Jacobsdotter

Volume21

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2262/records/41772866

[Anton Hagelee]

Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter

in the Sweden, Emigrants Registered in Church Books, 1783-1991

NameMaja Kajsa Mattesdotter

GenderKvinna (Female)

Birth Date12 mars 1860 (12 Mar 1860)

Birth PlaceÄlvsborg (Västra Götaland), Dalskog

Birth ParishDalskog

Departure Date5 jan. 1881 (5 Jan 1881)

Departure PlaceÄlvsborg (Västra Götaland), Bäcke

Arrival PlaceFredrikshald (Halden), Norge (Norway)

Occupation or RelationÄgaredotter

Marital StatusUnmarried (Single)

NotesTravels alone

Page2

Original Page49

SourceBäcke Hfl 1881-1885

Household Members (Name)

Maja Kajsa Mattesdotter

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61085/records/944148

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

There are several Family Trees in Ancestry.com on Kaja. Do not have a husband for her. 

 

Maja Kajsa Mattsdotter

1860–

BIRTH 12 MAR 1860 • Dalskog, Älvsborg, Sverige

DEATH Unknown

 

Father is 

Mattias Jonasson

1822–1882

BIRTH 08 OCT 1822 • Baka, Gunnarsnäs, Älvsborg, Sverige

DEATH 31 MAR 1882 • Bäcke, Älvsborg, Sverige

 

Mother is 

Inga Jakobsdotter

1829–1920

BIRTH 18 OCT 1829 • Dalskog, Älvsborg, Sverige

DEATH 28 NOV 1920 • Bäcke, Älvsborg, Sverige

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/56173196/person/382555523824/facts

 

As with any Family Tree on the internet one has to be careful to use sources to prove the data in the Tree is accurate. Ancestry Trees are not always accurate. 

 

There are at least three separate Trees for this family. Are some, all or none of them accurate. Difficult to tell without more work than I have time for now. 

 

Here is one 

 

Matts Mattias Jonsson

in the Geneanet Community Trees Index

NameMatts Mattias Jonsson

GenderM (Male)

Birth Date8 oct. 1822 (8 Oct 1822)

Birth PlaceBacka, Gunnarsnäs

Death PlaceTorpane, Bäcke

FatherJonas Andersson

MotherCajsa Carlsdotter

SpouseInga Jakobsdotter

ChildJohan August Mattson

 

https://gw.geneanet.org/ostrinningstockholm?n=jonsson&oc=&p=matts+mattias&_gl=1*1gjz4n4*_gcl_au*OTc2OTk0NDgxLjE3NDg4MTIxMDk.*_ga*MTQxOTAxMTExOC4xNzQ4ODEyMTEw*_ga_LMK6K2LSJH*c2MzZGVhZjBlLWY2OGEtNDYxNS1hNmY5LTAwN2E3MjMxMzYxYiRvNDQkZzEkdDE3NTI3MjE1MjMkajQ4JGwwJGgw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Endret i går, 03:08 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Maja Kajsa

in the Sweden, Household Clerical Surveys, 1654-1901

NameMaja Kajsa

RelationshipBarn (Child)

Birth Date12 mars 1860 (12 Mar 1860)

Birth PlaceD.

Year range1856-1860

Residence PlaceDalskog, Älvsborg, Sverige (Sweden)

Village, Farm, or CroftMyrchwarf

Household Members (Name)Relationship

Matts JonassonHead

Inga JacobsdotterHustru (Wife)

Johan GustafBarn (Child)

Carl JohanBarn (Child)

Maja KajsaBarn (Child)

Lena Andersdr.Flickan

Johanna Jonsdr.Piga (Maid)

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9731/records/37169719

 

[Matthias Kolberg]

7 timer siden, Anton Hagelee skrev:

Maybe a long shot but here is a Johan Svedsen leaving Norway in 1881 last residence Blekinge, 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000448666?

He appears to be leaving along with his 6 years older brother Nils

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000448665
 

which fits with the records from Sweden

Länk

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0057162_00142

Källhänvisning

Fridlevstads kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/LLA/13538/A I/23 (1870-1880), bildid: C0057162_00142, sida 135

Nils Svenson left for North America 17 May 1881,

line 17:

Länk

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0057164_00152

Källhänvisning

Fridlevstads kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/LLA/13538/A I/25 (1880-1890), bildid: C0057164_00152, sida 143

Endret i går, 08:06 av Matthias Kolberg

[Jackie K Marler]

You must be born where your mother was, not necessarily where your father was...

This is from the image of the 1910 census you linked to above.  If 1. is Johan and 2. is Marie and the marriage date is in 1889 then a possible location for the marriage would be Kansas City.  This could be the one in Kansas or the one in Missouri: