Help Locating Gunder Pedersen Kittelsbyeie Records after 1875

[Dylan Simon]

Good evening,

 

Today, I am in search of Gunder Pedersen Kittelsbyeie, who vanished after 1875.

 

Here is what I got:

 

• Born 3 Mai 1855, Baptized 29 Juli 1855 in Lunder (Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway) - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8535/84936/36
• 31 December 1865 Cencus - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038084000210
• Confirmed 24 April 1870 - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5895/77679/3
• Daylaborer on Baarnaas (Bårnås) nordre  31 December 1875  - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052115007968
• Maybe there is a hint in the 1875 record with the assumed residence Heiergse? i Hole Prestegjeld in Buskerud, but I have found nothing in Hole.
• Also a Gunder Olsen, born 1855 in Lunder, died 9 Feb 1932, attached + here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004143006

 

Any help would be appreciated!

Endret Søndag 01:35 av Dylan Simon

[Matthias Kolberg]

Gunder Olssønn Uggen who died in Lunder on February 9, 1932 was born on February 19, 1855. This must be a different person.

 

Buskerud fylke, Dødsfallsprotokoll nr. 2 (1922-1937), Dødsfallsprotokollside, Side 76-77
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081301046046
 

[Grethe Flood]

Both his parents were alive in 1875: 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052115007948

Buskerud county, Lunder, Norderhov, Haug in Norderhov, State Census (1875-1875), Document pages, Page 2374
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft20110209330781 

 

The same in 1891:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052782003595

Buskerud fylke, Norderhov i Ringerike, Statlig folketelling (1891-1891), Dokumentside, Side 4233
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10061012208796 

 

Buskerud fylke, Norderhov i Ringerike, Statlig folketelling (1891-1891), Dokumentside, Side 4234
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ft10061012208797 

 

I guess this is the death record for Kari Gundersdatter in 1898 - entry no 30

Buskerud county, Norderhov in Norderhov, Parish register (copy) no. I 8 (1887-1912), Deceased and buried 1898, Page 468
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102310521 

 

Buskerud county, Norderhov in Norderhov, Parish register (official) no. 16 (1885-1902), Deceased and buried 1899, Page 471
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060607130781 

 

Buskerud county, Death register no. 1 (1889-1903), Death protocol page, Page 33
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk10081211082038 
Widower Peder Olsen Nymoen and 5 children. 

 

 

 

 

[Grethe Flood]

???

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128704438/gunder-p-nymoen

[Grethe Flood]

Could this be his brother Ellef - emigrating from Kristiania in 1885?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000455334

Residence: Lunder, Ringerike.

 

In 1884 there is one Gunder Pedersen with residence Ringerike, who emigrates from Kristiania. Age 30...:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000015983

Destination is St. Paul. 

 

 

[Dylan Simon]

6 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

???

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128704438/gunder-p-nymoen

 

Great find! Gunder's grandfather Ole Evensen and his father Peder Olsen lived on Nymoen Farm by 1836 until at least Peder's death in 1906, so it would make sense if this is my Gunder, that he adapted the name Nymoen. I tried to find a Newspaper Article or a corresponding death/burial entry, but did not find anything. 

 

6 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

In 1884 there is one Gunder Pedersen with residence Ringerike, who emigrates from Kristiania. Age 30...:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000015983

Destination is St. Paul. 

 

Another great find, which could also be him! Attached is the record. Accidently attached the wrong record, but yes, it's the one Matthias linked below. I looked up S/S Angelo and it looks like it belongs to Wilson Line transiting between Christiana-Christiansand-Hull, England. In theory, there should also be a corresponding emigration record when he left Christiansand, but I did not find it, maybe one for Hull, England as well. In theory, I would expect Gunder to appear on an Arrival Passenger list in New York, similar to his cousin/my 3rd great-grandfather, who made the journey to Minnesota in 1870. However, I was unable to find any of the entries. There should also be a 1885 Minnesota Census that Gunder should be listed in.

 

6 hours ago, Grethe Flood said:

Could this be his brother Ellef - emigrating from Kristiania in 1885?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000455334

Residence: Lunder, Ringerike.

 

I had also been looking into Ellef Pedersen Kittelsbyeie, which your record may provide an explanation to him disappearing for a few years.

 

Ellef's birth - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8535/84936/49

Ellef's baptism - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8535/84936/49

Ellef in 1865 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038084000211

Ellef - here Ellef Pedersen Nymoen - at his confirmation in 1873 - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/5895/77679/6

Ellef in 1875 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052115007949

Ellef's death entry in 1943, listed as unmarried - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004307853

 

Most of the other records that you found, I already have, but thank you for researching! I will see if I can locate more records for Gunder and Ellef!

 

Endret Søndag 15:39 av Dylan Simon

[Dylan Simon]

Here is Ellef's Emigration Entry in 1885

[Matthias Kolberg]

Here is the emigration record for Gunder Pedersen, No 5072

Akershus, Oslo fylke, Emigrantprotokoll nr. 11 (1883-1885)
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110222660457
 

He appears to be traveling together with Andreas E. Halkinrud, No 5071, who was already living in America

 

[Dylan Simon]

54 minutes ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

Here is the emigration record for Gunder Pedersen, No 5072

Akershus, Oslo fylke, Emigrantprotokoll nr. 11 (1883-1885)
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/em20110222660457
 

He appears to be traveling together with Andreas E. Halkinrud, No 5071, who was already living in America

 

 

Hey Matthias! Yes, that's the picture that I wanted to attach above, but accidentally attached the record of another family member. Thank you for correcting me! I also saw him appearing to travel with this Andreas E. Halkinrud and researched Andreas, but did not find any more information on Gunder. 

 

• Andrew E Halkenrud's Marriage to Inger Torine Weme in Fergus Falls, Minnesota on 28 Dec 1886
• Andrew E Halkenrud, born Jun 1855, in Queen, Polk, Minnesota on 1900 US Census with Inger T Halkenrud
• Andreas E Halkinrud (~1855) with Inger, departing 26. Sep 1900 from Kristiansand

 

I am trying to find the 1885 and 1895 Minnesota Census (Minnesota, U.S., Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905) for Andreas/Andrew, because I haven't found the candidate: Gunder's 1885 Minnesota Census (Minnesota, U.S., Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905).

 

Three additional hints:

• Purchased Land on 14 Oct 1887 for Gunder P Nymoen in Minnesota - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6248-J4LP
• Land issued on 22 Jan 1890 for Gunder P Nymoen in Crookston, Polk County, Minnesota - https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2076/records/18206?tid=&pid=&queryId=0a2aec89-ce74-4464-89de-b8912e5eecac or https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10086-18206/gunder-p-nymoen-in-land-patents-minnesota
• The Find a Grave entry mentions Polk County and Fergus Falls in Otter Tail County

 

With that I looked for the candidate's 1885 Census in Crookston, Polk County, and in Fergus Falls, Otter Tail County in Minnesota, but did not find anything that fits. I only found these Gunders:

 

• 1885 (Otter Tail) - Gunder Peterson Age 48 (~1837) - https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/8d683383-4f00-44d0-92fb-d7d8ca2c9209
• 1885 (Otter Tail) - Gunder Peterson Age 21 (~1864) - https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/8b5f68f7-ea98-4d6d-8187-49966981bc40
• 1885 (Olmsted) - Gunder Pederson Age 74 (~1811)
• 1885 (Jackson) - Gunder Peterson Age 24 (~1861) - https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/53489671-b7de-4bc5-90ca-8ccdc9160d67
• 1885 (Goodhue) - Gunder Peterson Age 12 (~1873) 
• 1885 (Yellow Medicine) - Gunder Peterson Age 32 (~1853) - https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/dd4c38b0-61f0-4336-9afd-23c9d8c7a4e8
• 1885 (Hennepin) - Gunder Peterson Age 22 (~1863) - https://www.mnhs.org/search/people/census/151c97e1-2090-4c59-b832-11eab27e9d1b

 

Endret Søndag 15:38 av Dylan Simon

[Dylan Simon]

@Anton Hagelee or @Jackie K Marler - Are either of you able to find the passenger lists for Gunder or Ellef?

[Matthias Kolberg]

5 timer siden, Dylan Simon skrev:

In theory, I would expect Gunder to appear on an Arrival Passenger list in New York, similar to his cousin/my 3rd great-grandfather, who made the journey to Minnesota in 1870.

They might also have traveled from England through Quebec to Minnesota.

 

[Anton Hagelee]

2 hours ago, Dylan Simon said:

@Anton Hagelee or @Jackie K Marler - Are either of you able to find the passenger lists for Gunder or Ellef?

 Probably him, not a female and Nymoen as a last name.

 

Ellef P Mymoon

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameEllef P Mymoon

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalitySwedish

Age28

Birth Dateabt 1857

Place of OriginSweden

Departure PortLiverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland

DestinationUSA

Arrival Date29 Sep 1885

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Ship NameNevada

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/10759470?tid=&pid=&queryId=58912d6f-4683-4ad8-ab5d-4e97fc943757&_phsrc=DOV1&_phstart=successSource

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000455334

 

 

 

 

Endret Søndag 21:35 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

7 hours ago, Matthias Kolberg said:

He appears to be traveling together with Andreas E. Halkinrud, No 5071, who was already living in America

 

Difficult to find Gunder but this may be Andreas. There is no age listed and the 2 falls in the full fare column

 

 

Endret Søndag 22:30 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is the transcription from Ancestry.com.

 

A E Halhmend

in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

NameA E Halhmend

Embarkation PortBelfast, Ireland; Liverpool, England

Arrival Date11 Jun 1884

Arrival PortQuebec, Quebec, Canada

ShipSarnia

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1263/records/351952?tid=&pid=&queryId=c16d5cba-0890-43fb-b8d9-65d9312ca5ed&_phsrc=ECE1&_phstart=successSource

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here is emigration of Gunder and Andreas both going to St Paul 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000015983

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000015982

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

In the emigration record posted above the person two below is a Guri Hansen. The columns across are full fare and half fare and free. 

 

She is  1 , 4 , 2 and is going to Byron. 

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000015809

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Here she is with family, Seven members total.  And that total matches the 1, 4, 2 found on the ships manifest.

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61757/records/560729?tid=&pid=&queryId=954d6088-f23a-44b6-8e11-787dccea37b3&_phsrc=ECE9&_phstart=successSource

 

Endret Søndag 23:29 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

So my best guess is that your Gunder Pedersen is traveling with Andreas E. Halkinrud, but is not listed separately on the ships manifest. 

[Dylan Simon]

3 hours ago, Anton Hagelee said:

 Probably him, not a female and Nymoen as a last name.

 

Ellef P Mymoon

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameEllef P Mymoon

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalitySwedish

Age28

Birth Dateabt 1857

Place of OriginSweden

Departure PortLiverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland

DestinationUSA

Arrival Date29 Sep 1885

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Ship NameNevada

 

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/10759470?tid=&pid=&queryId=58912d6f-4683-4ad8-ab5d-4e97fc943757&_phsrc=DOV1&_phstart=successSource

 

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000455334

 

Great find! I agree, probably him, he does seem to have come back from the US eventually, although, I don't know when. Above is the death entry in 1943. 

 

I am not sure where Ellef was from 1885 to 1943, but there is an article about an 82-year old norwegian-american Ellef Pedersen, it's a year off, but I believe it says something along the lines that this Ellef lived alone for the past 27 years in a small place "Staldene" in Holleia, not sure where that is, but seemed to have burned down. 5 years before that I think he lived in a place called Kovenholtet" apparently near Lundteig and Krødsherad. In any case, maybe that explains why there are no records for him, at least from around 1909/1912 to 1939.

 

https://www.nb.no/items/f42e9343824215aad3175e8e797285f4?page=0&searchText="Ellef Pedersen"

 

The way Ellef is abbreviated here as "Ellef P Nymoen" makes me more confident that the Gunder P Nymoen is my Gunder. I am not sure, if you are able to find an 1885 Minnesota Census for him. I was unable to find it and neither did I find a Newspaper Article.

 

Here is again the Find a Grave, also posted a few land purchases in regards to Gunder: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128704438/gunder-p-nymoen

 

Endret i går, 01:18 av Dylan Simon

[Dylan Simon]

1 hour ago, Anton Hagelee said:

So my best guess is that your Gunder Pedersen is traveling with Andreas E. Halkinrud, but is not listed separately on the ships manifest. 

 

Above I posted a few entries in regards to Andreas/Andrew E. Halkinrud, but did not see Gunder with him.

[Jackie K Marler]

Not sure that this has been mentioned or not, but a Gunder P Nymoen in FAG:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/128704438/gunder-p-nymoen

 

Never mind, I see it now.  

Endret i går, 06:29 av Jackie K Marler