Vilhelm Danielson f 29.3.1849 Längserud län Sverige og Karine (catherine) Andresen (Andreassen) f 11.9.1853 Nittedal norge

[Torgeir_Karlin]

Søker hjelp til å finne disse personene i norske utvandringspapirer. Jeg vet de reiste til sandwichøyene (i dag hawaii) den 27.10.1880 med barken beta fra Drammen havn. Har søkt en del selv uten resultat så derfor håper jeg noen her inne kan hjelpe meg med dette. De bodde i Toftes gt 57 i Kristiania i mai 1880 det var Paulus menighet. De giftet seg i kristiania den 30.7.1876 i trefoldighet menighet.  Har funnet ut det meste om deres liv i California USA men mangler info om utvandringen fra Norge og deres opphold på Hawaii. De reiste over med løfte om arbeid på sukkerplantasjer,  bosted og et godt liv på Hawaii.

Mvh Torgeir Karlin

[Ingebjørg Mjøs]

Du finner mye interessant stoff i boken "Aloha fra glemte nordmenn på Hawaii     fra slaveliv til ferieparadis" av Torbjørn Greipsland. Du finner den på Nasjonalbiblioteket         https://www.nb.no/items/51f503298f664f067dcca88544b2a3ee?page=0&searchText=Aloha fra glemte nordmenn på Hawaii 

 

Boka er fremdeles i salg, men kan også lånes på bibliotek. 

Jeg regner med at det er dine slektninger jeg fant i passasjerlisten til Beta som "W Danielsen -wife - 2 children".

MVH

Ingebjørg

[Torgeir_Karlin]

Det stemmer. Har  lest den boka. Mangler å finne utreisen deres   i kirkebøker. Utflyttings attest osv. Har søkt men klarer ikke å finne deres navn. Det synes jeg er litt rart.

Mvh Torgeir karlin

Endret Tirsdag 16:37 av Torgeir_Karlin

[Grethe Flood]

Da har du vel denne?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/194/pe00000000649660

 

[Torgeir_Karlin]

Har den, men som sagt så finner jeg ingenting om deres utreise i norske kirkebøker eller andre norske utreise protokoller. Det synes jeg er litt rart. Siden de emigrerte så burde de vel være registrert som utflyttet/emigrert

Mvh torgeir karlin

[Anton Hagelee]

Fra Norway=Heritage

 

"Jack M. Johnson in Danville, California, has provided the following information about these ships:

1. The Norwegian bark "Beta", 846 tons, sailed from Drammen for Hawaii, October 27, 1880. Its master was Captain C Rist-Christensen, and it carried 327 adults, including 49 married people and 69 children aged 12 and under. 

2. The German Bark, "Musca", ~700 tons, sailed from Drammen for Hawaii, November 23, 1880. Its master was Captain D.W. Oltman, and it carried 237 passengers, including 29 marieds and 57 children 12 and under.

Jack has the passenger lists for both ships. His gr-grandfather, Nils Emil Aars, sailed on the Beta and kept a diary which can be located in the Seaman's Museum in Oslo, he also keeps a copy him self."

 

https://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=beta1

 

https://www.norwayheritage.com/p_year.asp?ye=1880

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Very little information obtained from Norway-Heritage and Wkipedia by Meta AI 

 

The Norwegian bark "Beta" set sail from Drammen, Norway on October 27, 1880, bound for Hawaii, carrying 396 passengers, including 327 adults and 69 children. The ship navigated through the North Sea, encountering rough waters and storms, before passing through the Strait of Magellan on Christmas Eve. After a four-month journey, the Beta arrived in Hawaii on February 18, 1881, and anchored at McGregor Point, Maui.

Life in Hawaii:

Upon arrival, the passengers were assigned to work on sugarcane plantations, primarily on the islands of Maui and Hawaii. However, their experience was marred by disputes over labor contracts, working conditions, and food quality. Many Norwegians felt that their original contract had been altered, leading to widespread discontent.

Challenges Faced:

• Contract Disputes: The Norwegians had signed a four-year contract in Norway, but upon arrival, they were presented with a different contract in English, which many couldn't understand.

• Working Conditions: Plantation managers were often harsh, and workers were subjected to physical punishment and wage deductions.

• Food Quality: Passengers complained about the poor quality of food provided on the ship and in the plantations.

Outcome:

The experiment of employing Norwegian workers on sugar plantations ultimately failed. After their four-year contracts expired, the majority of Norwegians left Hawaii for the US mainland, settling primarily in California, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. A small number of Norwegians remained in Hawaii, leaving a lasting legacy ¹ ².

Legacy:

The Scandinavian migration to Hawaii may have been a failure, but it had a significant impact on the sugar industry and labor laws in Hawaii. The story of these Norwegian migrants has been documented in books and research papers, including Torbjørn Greipsland's "Aloha from Forgotten Norwegians in Hawaii" ².

[Anton Hagelee]

Bedre søking ble gjort av Chat GPT.

 

Here’s the short version of what we know about the Beta voyage and what became of the people on board:

The voyage (Oct 27, 1880 → Feb 1881)

• The Norwegian bark Beta (846 tons), Capt. C. Rist-Christensen, cleared Drammen 27 Oct 1880 with ~327 contract workers (plus children) recruited by Christian L’Orange for 3-year sugar-plantation contracts in the Hawaiian Kingdom. Norway Heritage

• The ship ran into heavy weather in the North Sea, then headed south. After eight weeks it reached the Strait of Magellan; they transited it on Christmas Eve. A fire in the hold on New Year’s Eve was extinguished, and the ship re-provisioned on the South American coast before crossing the Pacific. Nine children died during the passage (mostly malnourishment). Satrum

• Arrival: Beta anchored off McGregor Point / Māʻalaea Bay, Maui on Feb 17–18, 1881 (sources differ by one day; Maui traditions mark Feb 18 near the lighthouse). Norway Heritagei L i n d

First assignments in Hawaiʻi

• Most Beta passengers were sent to Maui plantations (e.g., Wailuku, Haʻikū/Hāmākua Poko), with others dispatched to Kohala and Hilo on Hawaiʻi Island and to Kauaʻi. (Exact rosters vary by plantation in period reports.) Satrum

What life was like

• Many Norwegians felt misled: the Norwegian-language contracts signed in Drammen did not match the English-language contracts enforced on arrival; food allowances (notably salt beef/poi) and work rules disappointed expectations. This produced some of Hawaiʻi’s earliest multi-ethnic plantation disputes. Wikipedia

• Documented 1881 actions include:

  • Maui (A&B): strike over food; workers jailed, then returned.

  • Kohala (Hawaiʻi Island): food-allowance case—workers won in court.

  • Pāpaʻikou (Hilo): broader contract dispute—workers lost and returned. Wikipedia

• The disputes drew international press (“Hawaiian Hades”) and a formal investigation by J. A. W. Grip (sent by Sweden-Norway). Grip downplayed most abuse claims but confirmed contract-language problems, which the government moved to fix. Wikipedia

What became of them

• After serving out their terms, the large majority left Hawaiʻi—many to San Francisco and, from there, to California and the Pacific Northwest. By 1900, only ~410 Scandinavians in Hawaiʻi were foreign-born (270 Norwegian/Danish, 140 Swedish), reflecting how few remained. Wikipedia

• Maui commemorated the arrival with a bautastein monument at McGregor Point (installed for the 1981 centennial; the plaque has since been moved/relocated due to vandalism; a new interpretive plaque is planned at the A&B Sugar Museum). i L i n d

Primary lists & further reading

• Passenger lists for Beta (1880) and Musca (1880) are indexed at Digitalarkivet (Norway’s National Archives). digitalarkivet.no+1

• Best concise narrative of the Beta trip and the plantation conflicts: Jon Satrum, “1881 – Norwegians in Hawaiʻi”(NAHA paper; includes the Magellan passage, New Year’s Eve fire, nine child deaths, and settlement patterns). Satrum

• Handy overview with dates and strike outcomes: “Scandinavian migration to the Hawaiian Kingdom”(compiled from period newspapers and scholarly work). Wikipedia

If you’re tracing a specific family from the Beta, I can pull their Digitalarkivet entries and match them to known plantation assignments from the 1881–1882 reports.

 

 

[Torgeir_Karlin]

I will be very glad for your help. I am looking for information about Wilhelm Danielson and his wife Catherine Danielson. In the shiplist it shows W Danielson with wife and 2 children. They lived in Kristiania. Their adress was Toftes gt 57, Paulus menighet

Regards Torgeir Karlin

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