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[marianne Brady]

Hei !   Jeg håper noen kan hjelpe meg ! Marianne  (MARIE) Haraldsen står opp ført i person opplysninger angående reise til usa, at det er noen som har sendt henne billett til reise den 17/4- 1910 fra Bergen. Er det noen ,som vet hvordan ein kan finne ut, hvem som betalte billetten hennes ?

Er svært takknemlig for svar.

 

Mvh Marianne Brady

[Sven Hjortland]

Dette er ikke svar på det du spør om, men ligger inn link til opplysningen ovenfor:

 

Nummer 1513

 

Bergen politikammer / politidistrikt, AV/SAB-A-60401/J.a/J.ab/L0010: Emigranter til Amerika, 1909-1910, s. 109
Permanent bilde-ID: db50002955000112
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/db50002955000112
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-db50002955000112.jpg
 

Endret Januar 4 av Sven Hjortland

[marianne Brady]

Takk for svar!!

[Anton Hagelee]

The New York arrival document states that the fare was paid by her aunt.  See number 30.

 

Endret Januar 4 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

Marianne Haraldsen

in the Norway, Emigration Records, 1867-1960

NameMarianne Haraldsen

Marital StatusUgift (Single)

Emigration Age24[24]

Birth Date1886

Birth PlaceOdda, Ullensvang

Last Known Residence PlaceOdda, Ullensvang

Emigration Date17. apr 1910 (17 Apr 1910)

Emigration PlaceBergen, Norge

Emigration DestinationChicago, Illinois, USA

Emigration ShipCunard

Household Members (Name)Age

Marianne Haraldsen24

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61757/records/21729?tid=&pid=&queryId=0fa4f8ef-dc20-40c7-9b90-2081d055d183&_phsrc=kvI1&_phstart=successSource

 

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Marie Haraldsen

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameMarie Haraldsen

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalityScandinavian

Marital StatusSingle

Age20

Birth Dateabt 1890

Birth PlaceNrw

Other Birth PlaceOdda

Last Known ResidenceOdda, Norway

Departure PortLiverpool, England

Arrival Date2 May 1910

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Residence PlaceNrw

Final DestinationChicago, Illinois

Height4 Feet, 11 Inches

Hair ColorBlack

Eye ColorBlue

ComplexionLight

Money in Possession$20

Person in Old CountryAndreas Haraldsen

Person in Old Country RelationshipFather

Person in Old Country ResidenceOdda Hordanger

Person in USTea Natland

Person in US RelationshipAunt

FatherAndreas Haraldsen

Ship NameCarmania

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/4037095921

 

 

[Anton Hagelee]

First page of arrival document also number 30

 

[Sven Hjortland]

Kan dette være tanten som betalte billetten i 1910?

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2542/records/2367607?tid=&pid=&queryId=91c236f0-f0ef-468d-bc39-2401cf98e8f7&_phsrc=BuD4574&_phstart=successSource

 

Name	Thea Matland
Birth Date	6 Feb 1857
Birth Place	Sonfjord, Norway
Death Date	14 Aug 1940
Death Place	Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date	16 Aug 1940
Cemetery Name	Mt. Olive
Death Age	83
Race	White
Marital Status	S
Gender	Female
Father Name	Anders Matland
Father Birth Place	Sonford, Norway
Mother Name	Henrikke Askevold
Mother Birth Place	Sonford, Norway
FHL Film Number	1953582

[Sven Hjortland]

?? https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000028137937

[Sven Hjortland]

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/60722/records/4193806?tid=&pid=&queryId=837a3788-b583-46f3-ab0d-329a55cc8416&_phsrc=BuD4578&_phstart=successSource

 

Name	Thea Matland
Death Age	86[86]
Record Type	Burial
Birth Date	30 Mar 1854
Death Date	14 Aug 1940
Burial Date	16 Aug 1940
Church Name	Hauge Lutheran Church
Church Location	Chicago, Illinois

Endret Januar 4 av Sven Hjortland

[marianne Brady]

47 minutter siden, Sven Hjortland skrev:

Kan dette være tanten som betalte billetten i 1910?

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/2542/records/2367607?tid=&pid=&queryId=91c236f0-f0ef-468d-bc39-2401cf98e8f7&_phsrc=BuD4574&_phstart=successSource

 

Name	Thea Matland
Birth Date	6 Feb 1857
Birth Place	Sonfjord, Norway
Death Date	14 Aug 1940
Death Place	Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date	16 Aug 1940
Cemetery Name	Mt. Olive
Death Age	83
Race	White
Marital Status	S
Gender	Female
Father Name	Anders Matland
Father Birth Place	Sonford, Norway
Mother Name	Henrikke Askevold
Mother Birth Place	Sonford, Norway
FHL Film Number	1953582

 

[marianne Brady]

Takk for gode svar😊 Marie Haraldsen Brady reiste til Norge den 7. oktober 1919 med sin sønn Herold John Brady. Reiste ho åleine eller var hennes mann med Albert  Hansen Brady f ca 1881. Ho kom til Odda åleine. Ho reiste med Stavangerfjord.  
mvh Marianne

[Anton Hagelee]

Thea Matland

in the 1920 United States Federal Census

NameThea Matland

Age64

Birth Yearabt 1856[abt 1856]

BirthplaceNorway

Home in 1920Chicago Ward 35, Cook (Chicago), Illinois

Residence Date1920

RaceWhite

GenderFemale

Immigration Year1887

Relation to Head of HouseSister

Marital StatusSingle

Father's BirthplaceNorway

Mother's BirthplaceNorway

Native TongueNorwegian

Able to Speak EnglishYes

OccupationNone

Naturalization StatusAlien

Able to readYes

Able to WriteYes

NeighborsView others on page

Household Members (Name)AgeRelationship

Henrika Matland49Head

Thea Matland64Sister

Mallina Anderson25Roomer

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/6061/records/15711804?tid=&pid=&queryId=d8ad0c93-8af8-4b73-b87e-3a56923ae645&_phsrc=kvI5&_phstart=successSource

 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ71-QFR?lang=en

 

 

 

 

Endret Januar 4 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

From Ancestry.com 

 

Thea Matland

BIRTH 6 FEB 1857 • Sonfjord, Norway

DEATH 14 AUG 1940 • 1649 N Monticello, Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

 

Anders Johannesen Matland

BIRTH 1806 • Matland,Fusa, Hordaland

DEATH 1889 • Norheimsund, Hordaland

 

Henrikke Dorthea Madsdatter Askevold

BIRTH 14 FEB 1826 • Askvoll

DEATH 4 SEPT 1871 • Kinn, Florø

 

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/39512766/person/20034178400/facts

 

 

[Sven Hjortland]

55 minutter siden, marianne Brady skrev:

Takk for gode svar😊 Marie Haraldsen Brady reiste til Norge den 7. oktober 1919 med sin sønn Herold John Brady. Reiste ho åleine eller var hennes mann med Albert  Hansen Brady f ca 1881. Ho kom til Odda åleine. Ho reiste med Stavangerfjord.  
mvh Marianne

Hun står i allefall som enke i folketellingen 1920

 

SAB, Folketelling 1920 for 1228 Odda herred, 1920, s. 3163
Permanent bilde-ID: fs10151604360223
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/fs10151604360223
Permanent bildelenke: https://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-fs10151604360223.jpg
 

[Anton Hagelee]

Left together, arrived together and lived together.

 

[Anton Hagelee]

Thea Matland

in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

NameThea Matland

GenderFemale

Ethnicity/ NationalityNorwegian

Age27

Birth Dateabt 1859

Place of OriginNorway

Departure PortHamburg, Germany

DestinationChicago, Illinois

Arrival Date23 Nov 1886

Arrival PortNew York, New York, USA

Ship NameMarsala

 

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7488/records/9403065?tid=39512766&pid=160082926544&ssrc=pt

 

 

[marianne Brady]

Hei !

Takk for gode svar!

Jeg lurer på hvordan min farmor kom seg hjem til Norge med sin sønn.Det sies at hun reiste i okt. 1919 med Stavanger fjord.

Var hun skilt eller enke? Hun ble oppført som enke da hun kom hjem til Odda, mens en som var i arkiv verket opplyste om at hun var skilt syerske, kan du hjelpe?

mvh Marianne Brady

 

[Anton Hagelee]

2 hours ago, marianne Brady said:

Jeg lurer på hvordan min farmor kom seg hjem til Norge med sin sønn.Det sies at hun reiste i okt. 1919 med Stavanger fjord.

 

As you are probably aware from your earlier posts on this site, informant on passengers traveling from the New York to Norway in 1919 is not easily found,. There are some cases when the use of new AI technology  can be helpful and perhaps this is one of them. I have asked the Google Gemini AI some questions about the conditions of travel from New York to Norway in 1919 and have pulled this information from its response. Sorry to have write in English but the length of the response and the detail of the response easily defeated my basic Norwegian. 

 

In 1919, the SS Stavangerfjord was the flagship of the Norwegian America Line (Den Norske Amerikalinje), having just entered service the previous year. It served as a vital link for mail, cargo, and thousands of Norwegian emigrants traveling to the United States.

 

Crossing Time

For a steamship of its class in the post-WWI era, the Stavangerfjord was reliable but not built for record-breaking speed.

• Duration: The crossing from Norway to New York generally took 9 to 10 days.

Turnaround and Return

The "turnaround" refers to the time the ship spent in New York harbor unloading passengers/cargo, cleaning, refueling (with coal in 1919), and re-provisioning before the return voyage.

• Turnaround Time: The ship typically spent 7 to 10 days in port at New York.

• Total Round Trip: A full cycle (leaving Norway, staying in NY, and returning to Norway) took approximately 4 to 5 weeks.

• Example Schedule: If the ship arrived in New York on April 20th, it would usually be scheduled to depart for Norway again around April 28th or 30th.

Historical Note: In 1919, the Stavangerfjord was still a coal-burning ship. The turnaround time was slightly longer than it would be after 1924, when the ship was converted to oil, which allowed for much faster refueling.

In 1919, the SS Stavangerfjord followed a strict monthly rotation. Because the Norwegian America Line (NAL) only had two primary liners in service at that time—the Stavangerfjord and the Bergensfjord—they staggered their departures to ensure a ship left for Norway roughly every two to three weeks.

October 1919 Departure

According to the 1919 sailing schedules and voyage records for the Norwegian America Line:

• Estimated Departure Date: The Stavangerfjord departed New York for Norway on or about October 28, 1919.

• Context: She had arrived in New York on October 18, 1919, following a 10-day crossing from Kristiania (Oslo). After the standard 10-day turnaround at Pier 4 in Brooklyn to unload cargo and refuel, she began her return voyage in the final days of the month.

• Arrival in Norway: This specific voyage would have reached Bergen around November 6–7, 1919, and concluded in Kristiania (Oslo) by November 9, 1919.

In 1919, the SS Stavangerfjord followed a strict monthly rotation. Because the Norwegian America Line (NAL) only had two primary liners in service at that time—the Stavangerfjord and the Bergensfjord—they staggered their departures to ensure a ship left for Norway roughly every two to three weeks.

Other 1919 Departure Dates (from New York)

To give you a sense of the ship's rhythm that year, here were her other primary departure dates from New York back to Norway:

Departure from New York	Previous Arrival in NY
April 30, 1919	April 20, 1919
June 24, 1919	June 14, 1919
August 19, 1919	August 9, 1919
October 28, 1919	October 18, 1919
December 23, 1919	December 13, 1919

 

Jeg håper denne informasjonen er verdifull for deg i søket etter din families historie.

 

 

Endret Januar 5 av Anton Hagelee

[Anton Hagelee]

For further information I did ask the Gemini AI for information specifically on a Marianne  (MARIE) Haraldsen. Its reply was this 

 

Specific records for Marianne (Marie) Haraldsen on the Stavangerfjord in late 1919 are consistent with the ship's established schedule and the documentation practices of the era.

Departure and Voyage Details

• Vessel: SS Stavangerfjord

• Route: New York to Norway (specifically Kristiania/Oslo)

• Departure Date: October 28, 1919

• Departure Port: Pier 4, Brooklyn, New York

• Arrival in Norway: Approximately November 7–9, 1919

Identifying the Manifest

In the fall of 1919, passengers like Marianne Haraldsen were recorded on specific manifests depending on their legal status.

• U.S. Citizen List: If she had already obtained U.S. citizenship, she would appear on the "List of United States Citizens" departing New York. This list was simpler and usually only included her name, age, and local U.S. address.

• Alien Manifest: if she was a Norwegian citizen returning home, she would be on the "List of Alien Passengers"(Form 630). This document is more detailed and often includes her last residence in the U.S. and her destination in Norway.

• Return Records in Norway: Upon arrival in Kristiania or Bergen, she would likely be listed in the "Hjemkomne norsk-amerikanere" (Returned Norwegian-Americans) registers held by the Norwegian National Archives.

Findings for "Marie Haraldsen"

While "Marianne" is the formal name, many records from the Norwegian America Line for this period use "Marie."

• A "Marie Haraldsen" is noted in genealogical records related to the Arendal/Southern Norway region around this time.

• On the October 28, 1919, sailing, the Stavangerfjord carried many passengers returning to the Sørlandet region (including ports like Kristiansand and Arendal), as the ship made its first stop in Southern Norway before continuing to the capital.

 

 

[marianne Brady]

Hei !

Hjertelig  takk for god informasjon, så det var i november ho kom til Norge. Ho ble registret i Odda i desember.

Jeg har prøvd over lang tid å finne min farfar, har tatt flere dna tester, men ingen treff.  Jeg har nå fått vite at hun oppgav seg som enke da hun kom til Norge.

Er det mulig å be deg om hjelp? Hans navn var Albert Hansen Brady f. 1881 i St louis mo. Utifra dra er jeg 98% norsk, så han er nok av en norsk familie.

Jeg vet ikke noe om hans familie. Han giftet seg med Marianne  (Marie) Haraldsen den 23.nov 1912 i Church of the redemeer i Minneapolis. De fikk en sønn den 5.aug 1913 i Hennepin Herold John Brady. Jeg skulle hatt en dødsattest på Albert.

Jeg har skrevet inne på forum før, men har ikke kommet noe videre.

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Mvh Marianne Brady