[#7023] Jørgen Åsmundsson Grave, lensmannssønnen som dro t

[Gjest tom askeroi]

Well, anything is possible? You see this in films from time to time.But if/when a couple is married on a ship by the captain - doesn't he have to keep a record of it. I don't expect him to make his own churchbook, but there should be something about it in the log book? Are they still excisting and are they available?

[Gjest Pearl Danroth]

Tom - When a Captain conducts a marriage ceremony there should be some kind of legal document. Maybe the people at Solem/Swiggum/Austheim site could help you with that. The marriage ceremony would be a “civil” ceremony and not a church ceremony, so there wouldn’t be any church records. When there was a death at sea, “died at sea” was written beside the person’s name, the number (not the names) of births and deaths were noted in the summary of the passenger lists, and stowaways were added to the end of the passenger list. I have never come across any mention of a marriage in the passenger lists, maybe because there were none on the ships that I searched.There is another thought - Jørgen’s emigration information was registered (in Norway) on the 18th of October, 1905 and the departure date was the 20th, October, 1905. Two days ! Long enough to get married to one’s sweetheart before leaving to go to Canada. If that is the case, then the marriage record would be found in Norway, most likely Oslo! PD.

[Gjest Tom Askerøi]

My first thought were to ask "the Solem people" about a possible recording, unfortunately no-one have answered it yet.But married in two days in Oslo? Possible of course, the family story - him going to America because he couldn't have the mother of his child - could of course be her "excuse". I've thought of the excuse part - but not the possibility he "spent" the waiting day getting married. It must have been planned in case - even today it's impossible to get married "on the cuff" in Norway.But I must check it out... Though it sounds very strange/unlikely? Or doesn't it?

[Gjest Carla Brining]

Hi Tom I came across this site by accident but it might help you. It is the Public Records catalog for the UK and has information on marriages at sea. Lenke you click on the picture in the upper right corner it will take you to the main page which will give you more info on where the records are and how to access them. Carla

[Gjest Tom Askerøi]

Once again THANKS to Pearl and Carla. I'll check out your tips as soon as I can.Today time only allowed me to visit the public library ("Deichmann") to check the adress calendars for Kristiania (Adressekalender for Kristiania) for the years 1900 to 1905. I found clerk (kontorist) Jens Grave in Huitfl. Gd 36B Bb1 (anybody who knows what Bb1 means? (Bakbygning/bakgård 1. etg.??)) in 1900, 1901 and 1902 but not later. And in the 1903 book I found clerk Jørg. Grave in Torve Gd 7 4 !! But not the years before or after. Wonder where he was hiding? Remember I can't fin him in the 1900 cencus either...Not much of an improvement, but...

[Gjest Tom Askerøi]

I have just received copies of the ships list with Jørgen on: Name of Vessel: SS Canada, Master's (Captain's) name: R. O. Jones, sailed from Liverpool October 26th, arrived at Quebec & Montreal November 4th, 1905. And among the passengers:#25762 Jorgen Aa. Grave, Ammount of cash: $ 90, Age: 41, Married or Single: m (but no wife to be found on the list and he was single when he left Kristiania), Occupation: Farm labourer, Country of birth: Norway, Destination: Wetaskiwin.Only new information: his ammount of cash, which seems to be a large amount of money compared to the other passengers.I have also received Jens' homestead papers. I haven't had the time for closer study, but as far as I can see, new information is1) He had become a Naturalized Citizen by July 28th, 1914.2) He had no stock (animals) on the farm so he probably had to hire somebody else to plow the land (or lend a horse?).3) The size of his house was 10 feet by 14 feet and made of sod and lumber - cost of the house $ 50 (not much compared to Jørgens "pocket money"?)4) He had no other buildings or improvements made on the land.5) He had fenced around 40 acres - the cost of fence $ 75...I've had a quick look at the church books of Kristiania - but no Jørgen Aa. Grave getting married on October 19th 1905 as far as I can see (but I'm pretty short sighted...)Just to keep you updated. And (hopefully) I'll come back with more later...THANKS EVERYBODY!!

[Gjest tom askeroi]

I haven't anything really new to tell, but I've come to wonder:The ships list states that Jørgen had a railway ticket for further transportation. Could he just sit down on a train and go all the way to Wetaskiwin? Or did he have to use dilligence, horse, feet or something else along the way?

[Gjest Pearl Danroth]

Hi Tom - In 1891, the C&E Railroad was extended from Calgary to Edmonton passing through the little "train-stop" called Wetaskiwin. So, the answer to your question would be "yes", Jørgen could go all the way by train - west from Montreal to Calgary, then north to Wetaskiwin. Probably changing trains several times. In 1906, Wetaskiwin became a city, known as the smallest city in the British Empire.

[Gjest Tom Askerøi]

Til alle de som har ventet på historien om 'dama hans': se debatt nr 10007...

[Gjest Tom Askerøi]

Har akkurat sett 'Utvandrerne' og 'Nybyggerne' og blitt inspirert til et nytt forsøk på denne karen her.Noen som kjenner til nye kilder lagt ut på nett siden 2002 som kan hjelpe meg å finne ut hvor det ble av ham og vilken skjebne han fikk?