[#15281] Folketellinger i USA

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

Puh... Now I must confess that I can´t follow you. There are too many names for me at the moment, so I hope you can sort out a little. Remember I´m a beginner in genealogy...Lena´s full name is Lena Dahlgren (her father was Sven), and she was born 10 nov 1844. Anna´s birthdate was 19 apr 1882. I don´t know the date neither of them died.I´m still very grateful for your help,Roger!Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

I've got to stop asking already answered questions! Anyway, the several George Kellys live at 434 Manor Hill Lane, Lombard, IL 60148-4438; George T's phone is 630-629-5781. I hope you call or write. Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

At the FHC library today i found the index film record of Dora M marriage to Herman Asquino, #672883, on Aug 19-1914; did not have time to look for the Lic itself. But, sadly, she dies of TB, was treated at the Chicago Fresh Air Hospital; dies Feb 6, 1916, born in Chicago, Feb 24, 1893 to Andrew Dahlgren, SWE and Hannah Jensen, NOR. Did not find the marriage in the IL index. They lived on the south side, she is buried at Mt. Greenwood. I did not find any children in the birth index, i must check the death index fiche next time. Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

I used the web-google-to find the Elmhurst Public Library, asked them for Edith's notice, and it arrived by snail mail yesterday: published 9-11-1996-- nee Thornlund, Lombard 26 years; buried Oak Hill, Chicago(just outside, in fact, SW, not far from Kensington and Pullman); George T. is married to Kathleen; 2 boys-Shawn and Timothy; there are 'step' relations-so perhaps George F.( 22 oct 1910-aug 1975?) was married before? It mentions Ruth and Ester and Ann Streit( 3 jun 1917-nov 1976??) and a brother Edward Johnson( 11 feb 1921-nov 1980?). Hopefully George T. will clear it up--but if not, it is likely that cemetery records/funeral home records and more obits will. Roger.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

It seems to me that you´re trying to get so much information as possible about this family, and I´m very grateful for that! Are any of them to be found in US Census as well?Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

I have some questions now: Can Ann Streit be the sister of Ruth, Esther and Edith?? We know the last sister as Anna Solveig, and we didn´t know that she married too... I suppose you mean that Streit is her married name? 'Our' Anna was born in February 1903 - she was 4 months when the family emigrated 5 June 1903. And do you mean that Edward Johnson is the brother of the four girls??And one more question - about Anders/Andrew this time. How many times did he marry? Did he marry 1890 to Augusta Fern? Dora´s mother is Hannah Jensen?? And Anders´wife Amy died 1932??? Please help me..... Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Hi-i'am always a bit confused myself; what with names changing and death/divorce and multiple marriages. I think Ann Streit is Anna S, but the 2 in SSDI might not be yours. Ed is a brother-but a half or step i think. Anders may have had 3 wives, i will contact the cemeteries and try to sort some of this out---but did you write to the Kellys--they may(hopefully) know the whole story!! The obit for Paul has arrived from SC, Paul William Dahlgren of 1622 Culpepper Circle(Charleston, i think) died at a Georgetown nursing home. Born April 19, 1896, Chicago, to Andrew Dahlgren and Augusta!! (FERN?)--The FERN marriage does 'fit', 3-14-1890, he 22 and she 29. But it was a JP marriage, so no Churchbook entry, it seems. I must look in indexes for a dead Augusta and Hannah! Member First (Scots) Presbyterian Church, was a Mason, was a retired electrician at Charleston Naval Shipyard. At his passing, 2 daughters living: Mrs. Dorothy Festa( 14 may 1923- 1 jan 1989, per ssdi) and Mrs. Clark Remsbury. and 1 son, Paul Jr. of Kingston, RI. + 14 grandchildren and 2 gg's. Dora's bio mother must be Augusta, Hannah is likely wife #2. and Amy might have been #3--or an unrelated person--but Amy was a Johnson--so Ed may be her 'kid'. So just call me slightly confused Roger. ps--i will take a look at the 1930 census, perhaps tomorrow.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Well, Ed does not go well with Amy; but with the obits for the following should help,(but the Kelly's may know it all)....from the Oak Hill office and IL indexes: August and Helma are together, he is the 1928 and she was buried 6-29-1953. Andrew(Anders) and Hannah are together, she died 2-18-1929 and he was buried 11-19-1957. They have an Augusta B, 4-25-1943, but she need not be a relative, i can look for her on LDS film. Who is going to ask for obit lookups? Me? Of course for Amy to fit in, Andrew and Hannah must divorce, thats not so likely i think. Roger.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

I hope you will find out of this for me.... Ruth, Edith, Esther and Anna were the daughters of Hilma (born Dahlgren) and (Per) August Thornlund. I don´t think Edward Johnson belongs to that family... Anders is the brother of Hilma, so Edward must eventually be a step-son to him. (?)Could you in few words explain what a JP marriage is?? I´ve not written to the Kellys yet. Wanted to sort out a bit more first, but I´ll do it in some days now. But I wonder if you can find a descendant of Anders/Andrew still living? I think I would like to contact someone in that family as well... And again thank you very much for your helpfulness!! Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

Sorry,I wrote before I had your last 'note'. I know you´ve helped me a lot already, but will you be kind and ask for more obit looking? I really don´t know how to do it!! You mention all the way what you´re doing and where you look, but I don´t understand much of it... Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Believe me, its not always this quick!! A JP marriage is 'civil', so unless repeated in church, there is no church record. (Justice of the Peace). Did some looking around and figured out that the obit had a typo, REMSBURY should be REMSBURG! So guess what, Clark L is living in Charleston at the Culpepper address, he is about age 71. His son, Clark L Jr lives in Taylors, SC. You can find them via www.switchboard.com. Clarks mother is June/Joyce, the daughter of Paul W. Dahlgren and Violet. Paul W. Jr lives in New York state, i think. I will try for obits for the IL people. So-- 2 letters to write. Roger.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

Yes, 2 letters to write.... Just now I´ve written to Clark L Jr, and I´ll post the letter tomorrow! And I´ve just sent an E-mail to George Kelly. A relative of my husband (this is all family of my husband...) had been in contact last year, but didn´t get the information George promised to send him. So I don´t know if I´ll get any answer. Try this way first. If I don´t hear anything, I´ll send him a letter too.... Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

A little bit of info about Hanna: in US 25 years; born April 3, 1872 in Norway to Jens Rod. The O in Rod has 2 dots above it, this is from a photocopy from LDS film, the cert above hers 'bled' onto hers; making much of it difficult to read. All else is unknown. She lived in Oak Park and was a patient at Norwegian-American Hospital. I found a reference on the web to Anna Sofia that i cannot read!! Perhaps you have already seen this at http://www.genealogi.se/dalarna/eftlys97.htm ...what does it say? Roger.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

This Anna Sofia Dahlgren is born 1853 in another part of Sweden, so she cannot be 'ours'... And thanks again! I hoped you hadn´t forgotten me... Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

I found Hanna Alette Jensen coming to Ellis Island November 10, 1905. She is single, a servant and 33 years old. She lived in Stavanger, Norway, and she is going to her brother in Chicago, Illinois. Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

I would like to collect some of what you (we)have found about Anders/Andrew and his family:Anders Dahlgren born 1869 in Sweden. Emigrated 1889 from Oslo, Norway.On the same ship was Augusta Ferm!!!! (About 1861-bef 1910). She lived in Halden (!) and her aim was New York. They married 1890 and had at least 3 children: 1. Dora M Dahlgren(1893-1916).Married to Herman Asquino. Probably no children. 2. Albert S Dahlgren, born about 1895. What about him?? 3. Paul W Dahlgren(1896-1979). Married Violet. At least three children. I hope to hear from Clark Remsburg to get more information about Paul´s descendants...Then Anders married a second time; to Hanna Alette Jensen (1872-1929). You´ve mentioned Augusta B born Apr 25 1943! If the year is wrong, she could be their daughter...... Wasn´t it usual that the first child in a new marriage got the name of the last spouse???Anders could have been married a third time - to Amy. You mentioned she married about 1923. Could she have been married before when she met Anders??? I just ask....The last Thornlund-daughter: Anna Solveig, born Feb 1903 - is she Ann Streit?? I wonder if there is another person than George Kelly I could contact? I doubt we´ll get any answer from him...The last person is Anna Sofie Dahlgren, the sister of Anders and Hilma; born Apr 19 1882. Probably married Swanson in Klemme in Iowa?? How could I find her?? What I know is that he had been married before and had children.You´ve really helped me a lot, and I´m very thankful for all the information you´ve given me so far! Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

I think Anna came to Ellis Island June 02, 1900.She is going to her brother in Kensington, Ill. ...

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

On my 'end', so far no answers to my 2 emails to Iowa; i think i will wait for obits, Amy's did not really help, it mentioned only parents and siblings, still a chance that her Andrew is yours; waiting on August, Hanna, Andrew, and Helmas obits. There also is an Augusta Dahlgreen, but i want the obits first. Did not find her in the pre-1916 fiche, so i may look under Fern and then every Da....in the index! But first i will try the Oak Hill office, tomorrow! Where is Halden, i wonder? Did the Ellis entry for 1900 name the brother---his info might lead to her. Did not have time to look for Ann Streit in the 1930 census; did look for Albert, found only possible misspellings-all single men. The obits and the Oak Hill office might id him. Roger.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

Halden is in the south-eastern part of Norway; near the Swedish border. Many families here have roots in Sweden.Sorry I couldn´t read the name of Hannah´s brother. I´m sorry - brother in law I think it is! Could be Otto Fa...., but I can´t tell. The address could be 152 West (?) 110 Str. Chicago, Ill. Nina

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

Hi, have you got any more answers???? I can tell that I´ve had answer from Clark Remsburg and his mother, Joyce!!!!Joyce could confirm that Anders´s first wife was Anna Fern (we had Augusta...)and his second wife was Hannah!! I haven´t asked yet if he could have been married a third time too.They don´t have any informations about Anna Sophie I think (1882-1959). Joyce mentions her husband´s death in Clearwater, Iowa.(Swanson?)Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

I may do some lookups this week; i have Hilma's obit: 10545 LaSalle St; wife of late August, mother of Ruth B, Esther S, Edith Kelly, Edward Johnson, and the late Anna Streit. Sister of Andrew, and Anna Swanson of Klemme, IA, and 2 brothers in Norway.; pub Chicago Trib, Sat June 27 1953.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

It's good to know about Augusta calling herself Anna, i will call Oak Hill again, and look on the fiche, pre 1916, got to be there i believe; and in the IL index is Anne S Streit, d March 7 1947, this is her ( i assert ). So will look her up on film and look for the obit (really i just ask someone else to do the obit lookups!) Roger.

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Found only some sort of possible Anna's on the fiche, due to ages not matching; so i will look at a couple obits, and order some film, did not call the cemetery today, maybe tomorrow. Found Andrew in the 1898 and 1910 city book. Was a peddler living on West 111 St, Dora M. had her own listing in 1910 as a 'steno'. Did not find an address match on the 1871-1933 'dead' film; might have been a speeling error (hehe-silly?) Ordered film for Anne Streit and also the obit. Found Anna Swanson in Iowa? Hancock county, Ell? township, age 48, born SWE to SWE's married to Oscar, age 64, also a SWE to SWE's. First 2 kids born IL---Ray, age 22, ?ina, age 20. Then 3 more: Leonard, a 18-a teacher, Ethel, age 13 and Phillis, age 4 11/12. 1930 census. What do you think? Roger. ps--Anna married 24 years- i should find them married about 1906 in Cook county, perhaps.

[Gjest Nina Stenvall]

This is like a puzzle... Who is Edward Johnson?? He can´t be the son of Hilma!! Could Hilma marry again after her husband Per August´s death? With a man who had a son named Edward? I just ask..It can´t be so if her obit says she´s wife of late August.I can´t understand this..Then I´m curious of what you can find about Anne S Streit... Any descendants?And finally Anna Swanson in Iowa. I don´t know anything more about her and can just hope it´s the right family you´ve found. Wonder if there is a descendant I can contact??? Nina

[Gjest Roger Thauland]

Given some births in my family, we cannot rule Hilma out just yet! But, perhaps a foster son. I have more clues: there is an Otto Ferm, born about 1865 in the family, Augusta's brother perhaps? If someone searchs, consider the possibility that she was born earlier--say about 1855. and consider both spellings--Fern and Ferm, please. Anna Swanson, born 19 april 1882, died May 1978 in MA per ssdi is very likely her as we know relatives lived in RI, MA and NY. I do not see Oscar, so he died prior to the online ssdi index i suspose. Leonard R. 7 jul 1921- 10 sep 2001, died in Ohio, but with an Iowa SSN, so this may be yours. Try usgenweb for Hancock county resources for help with the Swansons and Plymonth and Norfolk counties in MA. In Ohio, it is Madison county. I will report any Streit info from the film and ,if found, the obit. Andrew was living at the same 111th st. address in 1957 when he passed. He was there in 1898 at least! Roger.