[#17305] Tomsburg/Thomsburg - where is it

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Mette and HelgaThank you.

[Gjest per helge seglsten]

Don't let go of the Hans Jacob Augustsen just yet. A various of norwegian names were americanized to Thompson. It most certainly didn't have to be Thommesen etc. in norway. My wife's great grandfather was named Thorsteinsen - which became Thompson. And I'm sure an american or an australian would have preferred something easier than Augustson - especially with a norwegian pronounciation. I think this person could very well be your man.

[Gjest per helge seglsten]

Kristian Hunskaar: What farm did Hans Jacob Augustson live on when he was born?

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

He was born in Tønsberg, no address listed, but we can be sure it was no farm, but rather a house or tenement house in the town. Tønsberg parish included no farms, as far as I know.I think I've found the parents, August Jacobsen and Kristiane Hansdatter, as unmarried servants at the same farm (Øre Søndre) at Nøtterøy in 1865. No doubt how they met! August was of swedish origin: Lenke

[Gjest Helga Kallevik]

I think this is the same person in the 1900 census (same year of birth and also born in Sweeden) :Lenke His wife is dead at that time.Helga Kallevik

[Gjest Helga Kallevik]

I found the marriage of August Jacobsen and Christiane Hansdatter at Family search: AUGUST JACOBSEN Event(s): Birth: 25 JAN 1833 Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JACOB NILSEN Family Marriages: Spouse: CHRISTIANE HANSDR Family Marriage: 28 JAN 1868 Tonsberg, Vestfold, Norway

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

You are probably right, Helga.But the main problem is still to verify whether or not Hans Jacob Augustsen and Henry Thompson are the same person.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thank you all Do we know if Hans Jacob Augustsen emigrated to America and if so, when? Do records of passports for that period still exist? Even if he was a seaman he would still need a passport.

[Gjest N B Macdonald]

http://norwayheritage.com/ships/index.asp is a very helpful site about ships and emigrating. Might be passport info there, too. The site is in English and specifically about Norway.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Here is another possible path. In 1886 there was a Gunder Thomesen at Steinsholt, Hedrum gnr 16 Nnr 2. Christian Eriksen's grandfather (Borre Waal Hansen) was from Steinsholt. This may be the Thompson/Eriksen connection. Do we know where Gunder was born and his parents. Similarly there was a Peter Thomassen at Bergan Gnr 114. Were Gunder and Peter related? Henry Thompson mentioned Bergan frequently

[Gjest Helga Kallevik]

In the emigrantprotocoll from Oslo to USA before 1890 (the year he went from USA to Australia),the only Henry Thompson born about 1868 I can find is this one: LenkeBut he was then living in America and there is nothing about where in Norway he came from.Helga Kallevik

[Gjest Helga Kallevik]

Just another try:Here is a person born in Vestfold and christening in April 1868 (found at Family Search):HENRIK HENRIKSEN Birth: Christening: 10 APR 1868 Notteroy, Vestfold, Norway Death: Burial:Parents: Father: HENRIK TORGERSEN Family Mother: INGER KRISTENSDRYou said (in number 13)that the fathers name was either Henry or Christof. Here the fathers name is Henrik (or Henry in English?), and the mothers second name is Kristensdatter (or could be Kristofferson?). Could Torgersen later become Tompson? Just another guessing. Could the family have moved to Tønsberg after his birth? Helga Kallevik

[Gjest per helge seglsten]

Here Henrik Henriksen's christening is in the Digitalarkivet transcription of the Nøtterøy parish registers: Lenke But he is probably born on march 11.

[Gjest per helge seglsten]

What about this one? I'm pretty sure his father's name is Henrik Chr. ([not Dhr.] Christopher) If there was a mix up between birth and christening date this one at least is close. (The birth date is probably february 5. Not september.) Lenke

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

The correct birthdate of Henrik, son of Henrik Torgersen, is March 11th. I checked the churchbook today.However, I wasn't aware of Per Helge Seglstens posting, so I can't confirm the birth date in that case. Still, baptisms half a year after the birth often happened, so September 5th (but then 1867) may be correct. I'll check the churchbook tomorrow.

[Gjest Helga Marie Kallevik]

Here is the same person in Family Search that per helge seglsten has: HANS BLOM HENRIKSEN Birth: 03 SEP 1867 Christening: 27 FEB 1868 Ostre Ekenes, Notteroy, Vestfold, Norway Death: Burial:Parents: Father: HENRIK KRISTIAN TORGERSEN Mother: ANNE MARIA BIRGETTE AGERUPCould it be some mixing with the day of birth and the day of christening in you information Jeff? If you look at the day of christening it is only 2 days later then your day of birth and the fathers name is both Henrik (or Henry) and Kristian).Is it possible to find out what happened to this Hans. Did he emigrate?Helga Kallevik

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thanks again Helga. The date of 25 Feb 1868 is correct for his birth. Perhaps the way forward is through his links to Anders Eriksen and Bergan , maybe even Steinsholt in Hedrum (35)

[Gjest Kristian Hunskaar]

The churchbook confirms that Hans Blom, son of Henrik Chr. Torgersen and Anne Marie Birgitte Agerup, was born September 3rd 1867 and baptised February 27th 1868.The Nøtterøy bygdebook says that Hans was married and lived in America.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

I dont think Hans Blom is my man. Henry Thompson did not marry till he arrived in Australia

[Gjest jeff erickson]

Two years on Henry's origins still elude me. He was a seaman when he arrived in Australia in 1890 . His ship came from San Francisco. But how did he get from Norway to San Francisco and who were his parents?

[Gjest per helge seglsten]

Just one little thing: Tønsberg is not pronounced tOEnsberg, as proposed above. Insted of 'oe' you should pronounce it as 'ou' is pronounced in 'rough'.

[Gjest Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

Hi,there! Things often take time, and it took 2 years to draw my attention to your problem! 1.I think you should forget the Henrik August Thommessen born 1208/baptized 0811 1857 from Holtan in Borre parish (now in Horten parish). The Borre bygdebok gives no further info on this Henrik - except 'dead in America'. This may be correct, but the info in the book is much based on what living relatives remembered about this in the 1950-ies . From another source of information, I have him listed as married (in America?). If his naturalization papers says 1868,that's probably correct.He may have given Tønsberg as place of birth even if he was not born/baptized there.I have seen cases where emigrants listed the nearest town as their place of birth, and I think it would be wise to check out the neighbuoring parishes of Tønsberg = Nøtterøy (Noetteroey),Sem & Slagen and even Stokke to exclude these possibilities (or find him!). If you're in no particular hurry I can do this for you at the the Vestfold county library in Tønsberg

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Hi Jon, Henry THompson (Thomsen) is very elusive. I dont know when he left Norway . His death certificate shows he was born at Horten. Any help would be much appreciated. There is no rush. Thank you

[Gjest Jon Erik Berg-Hansen]

I can't find any trace of Henrik as born/christened in Borre,Horten,Tønsberg,Nøtterøy,Sem,Slagen or Stokke parishes 1867-1869, or confirmed 1882-1884. The one born 1857 on Holtan in Borre parish was confirmed 1872 in Borre.I have not been able to find him or another matching Henrik listed as leaving Norway. As you've said, he may have been a sailor. The name Henrik is not uncommon i Norway. Both names Henrik and Hartvig would probably be changed to Henry.

[Gjest Jeff Erickson]

Thank you John. Yes he was a sailor. Was the one born on Holtan still about in the 1900 census? My Henry Thomson was in Australia by then.