[#46383] Per A. Nermo rømte på ski fra Trysil til Sverige ca.1860-70, em. til USA ca.1893

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(98:) It has been suggested to me that Per A. (Nermo) (23) immediately before his leaving for Sweden in 1866 perhaps (?) had fathered an illegitimate child, which at the time would be the most common reason for leaving the country.Would anyone be able to spot a church record in 1865-1866 denoting Per/Peer Arnesen (Nermo) as the father of a child born outside wedlock somewhere in Trysil or neighbouring areas ?NORSK:Kan noen finne Per/Peer/Peder Arnesen (Nermo) (født 1843) oppført i kirkeboken som far til et barn født u.e. i Trysil eller i nærheten i 1865-1866, like før Per flyttet (uten papirer !) til Sverige ?Vet noen hva Per bedrev (i Trysil ?) fra han var 15-16 år (i 1858/59) til han forlot landet som 23-åring i 1866 ? Er det noe i historien som går i slekta hans i Amerika om at han hadde lensmænn' i hæla ?)

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(92:) Chris, er det mulig for deg å transskibere hele innholdet i brevet fra Cajsa Lisa's far (Borgsjö, 25 oktober 1872, en uke før bryllupet) ? (Det er ikke lett å lese på skjermen !)

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

The undersigned hereby gives permission to my daughter, Kajsa Lisa to marry Worker Per Arnesen Nermo in Grundsjön, in addition I allow Banns to be applied for at the Parish Office in Torp.Bergsjö 25 October 1872LG Byqvist (his very own signature!)The permisssion is witnessed byC Th Åberg (the vicar)C M Cristophs.(-son)

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Torp församling och Borgsjö hörde ihop (Borgsjö var annex). Jag har letat lite efter Per Nermo i Torp men ännu inte funnit honom där.Det är möjligt att Per Nermo lämnade ett barn någonstans, men eftersom föräldrar hade rätt att vara anonyma så står hans namn nog inte i födelseboken. Jag har undrat lite över en ung flicka som bor hos dem i Borgsjö, Brita Perdotter född i Hassela 1872. Hon visar sig i födelseboken vara dotter till en annan Per och hans hustru som försvinner från husförhöret så jag kunde inte följa dem. Om Per arbetade på järnvägen i Trysil så kan man försöka kontakta Norska Jernbanemuseet (Biblioteket-NJM@jbv.no) De är mycket hjälpsamma med att finna ansatte i norske jernbaner.Jag håller med om förklaringen till att Pers son inte använde namnet Nermo. Vissa präster tyckte det var för fint för vanligt folk att använda efternamn, det räckte med patronymikon. Dottern Märta står som Persdotter i folkräkningen.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Mange takk, Chris !(101:) Per A. Nermo ble konfirmert i Trysil den 6 Okt 1861 (17 1/2 år gammel !), og det rimelig å tro at inntil da bodde med mor og stefar på Nermo. Hva han gjorde i perioden 1862-1866 kunne imidlertid vært interessant å vite.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Det var (og er) såvidt jeg vet ingen jernbane i Trysil. Hovedbanen mellom Christiania og Eidsvoll ble åpnet i 1854. Når det ble jernbane mellom Kongsvinger og Elverum og videre nordover vet jeg ikke.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Chris, hva er ''Banns'', som L G Byquist i sitt brev (103) gir tillatelse til at det kan søkes om ved sognekontoret i Torp ? Hvor er Torp ?

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Lysning på svenska! (Och norska tror jag, det var några år sedan jag bodde i Tromsö)

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Torp är prästens kontor eftersom Torps socken och Bergsjö socken hörde ihop med samma präst.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

As will be seen from above inserates, Per A. Nermo's daughter Martha (Märta) Olivia Nermo has surfaced, thanks to the kind help of Chris Bingefors in Sweden.Märta Olivia was born in Grundsjön, Borgsjö, Västernorrlands län (Medelpad) by Cajsa Lisa on Oct 3rd 1869. No father is listed in the church book. On March 18th 1871 Kajsa Lisa gives birth to her son Per, and on Nov 2nd 1872 she marries worker Per A. Nermo in Grunsjön, after her father on Okt 25th 1872 has given his written approval.A note in the church book at Grundsjön (in 1870 ?) states that Per has been unable to prove for the period March 2nd 1866 until Apr 14th 1870 that he is unengaged and free to marry. The marriage thus has to be postponed, and an investigations seems to have been initiated.Per is registered as arrived Grundsjön from Trysil on May 26th 1870 (he must have been in the rather immediate vicinity of Kajsa Lisa in appr. January 1869 as well, when she must be supposed to have conceived, ref. Märta Olivia, born Oct 3rd 1869).Per A. then seems to have returned to Trysil to get his paperwork in order, for him to emigrate legally to Sweden and to marry (Cajsa Lisa, hopefully). On Des 3rd 1870 he was registered as having returned to Grundsjön, where he stayed with Casja Lisa and her parents at their farm.Finally, Per was able to receive a certificate from the parish vicar stating that he was free to marry, and on Oct 25th Kajsa Lisa's father allows the wedding. In the meantime another child has seen the light of day (Per, March 18th 1871).Per A. Nermo and Kajsa Lisa are registered with seven children, born 1869-1889. Kajsa Lisa died in feb 1889.Their eldest daughter Märta Olivia married Anders Olsson on Jun 3rd 1888, and they had the children Oskar Hilding (Andersson) born Aug 8th 1888, Olof Gunnar Halfdan born Jan 7th 1890, Ida Kristina born May 30th 1896 (later married Johnson), Albert Leonard born 1899 and Anna Martina born March 1st 1902 (who emigrated to Canada with her mother via Gothenburg, Sweden, in 1912).According to above inserates by Chris, the complete family emigrated to Canada, with the exeption of Albert Leonard, who must be supposed to have died before 1912 ? Olof Gunnar came with his father on May 6th 1912, and Anna Martine with her mother Mar 22nd 1912, the two remaining emigrated alone (see above).Märta and her daughter travelled together with Märta's yonger brother Per (born 1871), who apparently had gone 'home' to Sweden to fetch his sister.Märta and Anders Olsson lived in 1880 in Grundsjön, Borgsjö. In 1884 they moved to Ramsjö. In 1890 the lived in Stugutjern, Ramsjö, and in 1900 Märta is listed (without Anders !) in Hedsjö, Ramsjö (to where her father had moved before he emigrated VIA TRONDHEIM (!) on May 16th 1893 to Hull, England and then to the US).So, by July 1912, the all Märta's children are in place in Canada. (When she and her daughter left Gothenburg, their destination was given as Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, Canada).All above according to Chris' findings.

[Gjest A.E. Ferner]

Her er adressen til Landsarkivet i Härnösand: http://www.ra.se/hla/ Det ser ut til at det er stedet opplysningene om forbrytelsen Per A. hadde gjort seg skyldig i, må finnes. Mvh Anne Elise

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Per A. Nermo's son Per Person Nermo who emigrated from Hedsjö, Ramsjö, on May 21st 1891, left Trondheim on June 3rd 1891 on the ship 'Domino' of Guion line, with travel destination Stillwater, Minnesota (Lenke).

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(111:) Jeg skal gjøre en henvendelse til Landsarkivet i Härnösand.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Per A. Nermo's son Lars Martin (Louis) Nermo who emigrated from Hedsjö, Ramsjö, on Aug 19th 1892, left Trondheim on Aug 24th 1892 on the ship 'Rollo' of Guion line, with travel destination New York (Lenke).

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Per A. Nermo's son Jonas Alfred (John) Nermo (born July 14th 1884), who emigrated from Hedsjö, Ramsjö, _may have_ left Trondheim on Feb 27th 1904 on the ship 'Tasso' of Dominion line, with travel destination Prentic, Wisconsin (Lenke).

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Would someone with knowledge about and access to the emigrant registers and/or ship manifests for arriving persons in the U.S. be kind enough to look up the three brothers Per Person (Nermo) (1891), Lars M. Person (Nermo) (1892) and Jonas (Alfred) Person (Nermo) (1904) ? (See links in 112, 114 and 115 above).

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Per A. Nermo's whereabouts in Sweden in the period 1866-1870 is still undiscovered. He is listed as having left Trysil for Sweden on two diffent occasions, first on 26 Feb 1866, with destination Gäfleborg county, Ljusdal parish, addr. Hudiksvall and Brättingsberg (written 'Brettingberg') and 2nd time in 1870, with destination Bjuråker parish - emigr. 1866.1) Hudiksvall, Ljusdal parish (?), Hälsingland, Gäfleborg county. (Hudiksvall lies by the Östersjö coast)2) Brättingsberg, Bjuråker parish. (Where is this ?)(Does these addresses make sense ?)Per did apparently not move to Bjuråker parish in 1866, according to Chris, and he is also not listed as having moved to Ljusdal parish this year.In 1868/1869 he seems to have been at Grundsjön, Borgsjö, Västernorrlands county (Medelpad). Which parish does this belong to ? Borgsjö, being an annex to Torp parish ?Much later, 1889, when he lived as a married man in Hedsjö, Ramsjö, Gävleborgs län (Hälsingland), Per was on Nov 25th sentenced in Ljusdal court for a crime he had committed.I'm a little bit confused about the Swedish geography, and hope for someone to clarify this !

[Gjest Anniken Lindaas Kolstad]

Bjuråker ligger i Gävleborgs lãn omtrent midt mellom Hudiksvall og Ljusdal. Dvs når du kjører fra Hudiksvall på vei 84 kommer du etter 33km til Delsbo (da er det 28km igjen til Ljusdal). I Delsbo tar du av rett nordover på vei 305 og etter bare ca 1km er du i Bjuråker. Delsbo ligger ved vannet Sõdre Dellen, Bjuråker ligger akkurat ved skille til Norra Dellen. Disse opplysningene er fra kartbok år 2000. Lykke til videre! Mvh Anniken

[Gjest Anniken Lindaas Kolstad]

Vei 305 videre nordover fra Bjuråker ender i vei E14(v/Stöde)som kommer fra Sundsvall(som ligger ved Östersjön nord for Hudiksvall). Tar du vestover på E14 kommer du til Borgsjö. Litt videre tar du av på vei 83 SYD-vestover. Etterhvert går denne veien rett sydover og litt syd østover. Da passerer du igjen Länsgrensen mellom Västernorrland og Gävleborg og er tilbake i Hälsingland/Gävleborgslän. Der like syd for grensen ligger Hedsjö v/Hedsjön og drar du videre syd på vei 83 kommer du raskt til Ramsjö. (Det finns også et mindre sted Ramsjö like nord for Bjuråker). Videre sydover treffer du på vei 84, ta den østover og vips er du i Ljusdal og videre på vei mot Hudiksvall. Stopp i Delsbo og velg vei 305 NORDover igjen så starter du på ny rundturen som startet i innlegg 118 over og endte her! GOD TUR! Mvh Anniken

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

The address given by Per at his first move from Trysil does not make sense at all. There are 3 different places in one go! I believe he did not know where to go. Is that note in Trysil written as he applied for a certificate to move or is it written after he just left without a certificate, to explain his whereabouts? Maybe the relatives said he was somewhere in that area, he is supposed to have left hurriedly after all.Remember that no immigration papers as we know the were needed anywhere in those days, only the usual vicar´s cerificate and that was the same for domestic travel. This was especially true for travel to Norway, being a part of the union between Norway and Sweden. The border inhabitants have always traveled freely between countries.Anyway, we can suppose that he was somewhere in this area in Sweden - it was relatively easy to work in lumber camps with no papers. He may not be visible in any of the church records.A Jonas Persen, Swedish b about 1884 is listed as arriving in Boston August 1901 on the s/s Saxonia. The text is very unclear but the transcription also says he is going to G Nermo.

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Per A Nermo fick två Homesteads (gratis land om man var eller tänkte bli medborgare) och sonen Peter ett i Minnesota. Här är ett av dokumenten:

[Gjest Arnie P. Nermo]

It would seem that my great-grandfather (Per A. Nermo) was as colourful in death as he was in life. My Aunt Alice recounted the story of his death to my mother today. As Per A. was quite blind in his old age, Louis Martin Nermo would send his children, the grand-kids, to visit and help him on the neighboring farm. She recalls Per A. sitting behind the door and saying' Why hasn't that Norwegian preacher come around to see me yet. A few years earlier he himself had hand-milled and cut the finest wooden boards he could gather, for his coffin. They were stored away, ready for his final passing. Apparently, he died on a cold winter night, going out to get wood for the stove. He slipped and fell on the ice, landing on his back, clutching a bundle of firewood, eyes wide open, as if staring at the stars.... He was discovered by his grandson, Lloyd Nermo, the next morning. Later, the good boards were pulled out to build his casket. His son Louis and the grandchildren put the casket together with saw and hammer in the living room. As the grand-kids were so fond of him, it was quite a sad time, but many gave a helping hand. Once all the funeral arrangements were ready the body and casket were put on a horse drawn sleigh, to take out to a small graveyard situated in the corner of his farm. True to his wandering ways, the casket rolled off the sleigh on the way to the graveyard.

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

I husförhörslängden för 1871-1880, Borgsjö, Grundsjön s 482 (Genline 2035.3.2600) barnen Märta och Per som äkta barn till paret Per och Kajsa Lisa. Per hade karakteren C i kristendomskunskap och läsning innantill (= mycket dåligt) och var 1 gång i nattvarden på 9 år (man skulle gå varje år). Kajsa Lisa har fått kyrkostraff (att be om syndernas förlåtelse vanligen) för brott mot 6 budet i Luthers katekes (du skall icke begå äktenskapsbrott - används även för oäkta barn)Lars Gustaf Byqvist dog 12/7 1875.

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Märta födde en son, Axel Bernhard, i Ramsjö 1 mars 1894 han dog dagen efter, 2 mars 1894. Hos henne i Hedsjö, Ramsjö bodde Jonas Alfred Persson från 1893 när hans far åkte till Amerika. Han är antecknad som utvandrad till Amerika 25 juni 1901.1893 flyttar Märta och Anders Olsson till Hedsjö och brukar gården nr 2 som ägs av Svartviks aktiebolag.I Hedsjö, runt det område där Per Nermo bor innan han åker till Amerika är de flesta ansatte vid järnvägen, kanske var det där han också var det?

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(115/120): Per A. Nermo's son Jonas Alfred (John) Nermo (born July 14th 1884), did NOT emigrate in 1904, and he is NOT identical to the person mentioned in (115) above.Jonas Alfred Person (Nermo) who emigrated from Hedsjö, Ramsjö, left Trondheim on July 31st 1901 on the ship 'Tasso' of Cunard line, with travel destination Boston (Lenke).According to (120) (above) Jonas Persen, Swedish, born about 1884 is listed as arriving in Boston August 1901 on the s/s Saxonia. (The text is very unclear but the transcription also says he is going to G. Nermo). (Who would that be ?)