[#46383] Per A. Nermo rømte på ski fra Trysil til Sverige ca.1860-70, em. til USA ca.1893

[Gjest Trond Øivindsson Lunde]

Har akkurat kjøpt Trysilboka bind 9. Nermo er omtalt på side 161-62. I det gamle Trysilboka 2 var Mattis oppgitt å være født 04.04.1780, som er feil. I det nye bindet har de 'rettet' opp en gammel feil med en ny: 'ant. 18/6 1776'. Nå ble i allefall datoen riktig, men fødselsåret ti år feil, i gal retning..

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Såvidt jeg skjønner var det DÅPEN som var 18/6-1786 (i Elverum). Født i Flisberget.

[Gjest Vanja Persson]

I am not related to Nermos but to Algot and Helmer who were married with Ida and Anna. Some of their children came to Sweden in 1985 for a big family reunion. Since then we’ve been in touch and I have got most of the information from them. Many of Ida’s and Algot’s 7 children have passed away now but Anna’s and Helmers 6 children are still living.

[Gjest A.E. Ferner]

Jeg har nå sett gjennom kirkebok for Trysil f.o.m. 1863 t.o.m. 1867 og finner ikke noe barn som har Per Arnesen som far. Innflyttinga til familien fra 'Nordlandene' finnes heller ikke i kirkeboken, men en eller annen gang før 1855 da han startet å bygge Nermo, har det jo skjedd. Mvh Anne Elise

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Eksisterer fremdeles ''Søndre Nermo'', der Mathis Persen Sandbæklien (senere Nermo) sin eldste datterdatter Johanne Martinsdatter Nermo f.1871 bor under FT 1900 med ektemann og to små sønner (Martin Moody (!) og Petter Magnus) ? Hvor ligger plassen ev. på det siste kartet (56) ovenfor ?Er Johanne også mor til Per Johan Mobæk ?

[Gjest Bjørn Olav Åsvold]

Til 154: Det kan vel også tenkes at familien er ført som utflyttet i samband med at de fikk attest fra presten, uten at den planlagte flyttingen nordover nødvendigvis må ha funnet sted?

[Gjest A.E. Ferner]

Trysilboka nevner bare 'Nermo' gnr. 26 bnr. 162, som Mattis Persen bygde opp. Denne garden ligger i 'innersvingen' til venstre for markeringen på kartet (56).Og du har rett; Johanne er mor til Per Johan Mobæk, denne familien flyttet senere til Eng, Innbygda, Trysil. Eng er revet.Har nå sett i kirkeboka fram til 1871, heller ikke her har Per Arnesen lagt igjen noe spor etter seg. Mvh Anne Elise

[Gjest A.E. Ferner]

Til 156: Du har helt rett - det kan være det som har skjedd - men jeg har også inntrykk av at flyttelistene er noe mangelfulle. Mvh Anne Elise

[Gjest Arnie Patrick Nermo]

As far as I'm concerned you're family now Vanja! (Re:#153)Any new news is good news to me. I just had a chuckle from the following story that was recently related to me by my cousin Lynda Luko, daughter of Avis Nermo (Luko).'I talked with Aunt Alice one night and she told me a little tidbit about Grandpa Nermo's brother John (aka) Jonas Alfred. Alice said that he had fallen in love with a young Swedish girl named Millie in Saskatchewan. He was just coming back to the homestead on horse and buggy to see Grandma Laura Larsen. John said he had just been out to ask Millie for marriage. He found her and the family out in the field working. He first asked her father for his daughter's hand in marriage and was promptly chased off; the father saying that John was part Norwegian and not acceptable for his daughter (or something to that effect). John, feeling rather put out, came back and told Grandma the story. Sadly, it wasn't long after after this that he died of pneumonia.' [in Alberta?]Thanks Lynda!Regards, Arnie P.

[Gjest Vanja Persson]

Per’s question: When and where did Märta Olivia die? She and her husbond Anders (called Andrew over there), moved from Shell Lake to Victoria, B.C. in 1951 to be with their daughter Ida. Anders died February 16, 1953 in his 91st year, three days after he fell and broke his hip, and Märta Olivia (Martha) passed away April 12, 1956. Their son in law Algot (Alec), Ida’s husbond, died suddenly by a heart attack October 1st in 1955.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Arnie:In the 1886-1892 census protocol for Ramsjö, Gävleborgs län, Sweden, there is a remark regarding Lars Martin (Louis) Nermo (f. 19/1-1873 i Ramsjö) reading 'Duplicate of emigration to Canada' or something like that (in Swedish), along with 'Louis M. Nermo', and then 'Shell Lake', 'Sask'(atchewan), 'Canada', and finally a date '11/3 37'.This text of course must have been added by the Swedish authorities (preferably the parish vicar) much later (1937).Louis' sister Martha seems to have lived with her husband and children in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, from her arrival in 1912, and later in Shell Lake (close to Prince Albert ?), until she and her husband moved in 1951 to her daughter Ida in Victoria, B.C., where she died in 1956.Would you try a guess on which incident caused the written remark on March 11th 1937 in the census protocol of Ramsjö for her brother Louis (Lars Martin) Nermo (1873-1961) ? (1937 was 3 years after his son Phoenix died of menigitis).Another sentiment : Chris (in inserate 136) reflects on the sadness one feels when 'driving over the endless plains in Saskatchewan and seeing all the empty farms. Only one or two generations lived in them, and probably felt that they had succeeded in life.'Is this a fact, that these homesteads ('settlements' ?) were inhabited for a couple of generations only ? Why didn't the descendants stay ?Are the farms that was owned by you grandfather Louis (Lars Martin) (along the Shell Lake shoreline in the middle of Saskatchewan) and your great grandfather Per A. deserted now ? (I take it Per A.'s farm in Mt. Nebo was in the same area ?).

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Arnie gave me this links:''Shell Lake, Oasis of the Parklands'': [url="http://www.rkc.ca/shell_lake/>http://www.rkc.ca/shell_lake/'Recreation' (from top menu) (

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(I'd guess that '5,5 m' (above) means 5.5 miles). More Shell Lake photos at : (http://www.rkc.ca/shell_lake/images/index.html). Seems like the Candians know as well as the Norwegians how to enjoy and thrive in the snow ...

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

The Western Land Grant database shows these records for the Nermo family in Saskatchewan. It is possible to work out the exact plots from the land map: Legal Land Description1 SE 2 8 13 W2 Part Section Township Range Meridian Reference: Liber: 380 Folio: 181 File reel number: C-6240 Names: Henry William Geiss John Nermo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------2 NE 1 50 6 W3 Part Section Township Range Meridian Reference: Liber: 533 Folio: 302 File reel number: C-6362 Names: Louis M Nermo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------3 SW 12 50 6 W3 Part Section Township Range Meridian Reference: Liber: 379 Folio: 51 File reel number: C-6239 Names: Per A Nermo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------4 SW 14 50 6 W3 Part Section Township Range Meridian Reference: Liber: 350 Folio: 199 File reel number: C-6214 Names: Peter P Nermo

[Gjest Vanja Persson]

Angående Anders Olsson: Jag har i mina gamla noteringar som jag gjorde för 7 år sedan, att Anders är inskriven som värnpliktig åren 1900-1905. Kanske därför som han ” er heller ikke nevnt i manntallet år 1900”.Att sonen Hilding och dottern Ida emigrerade några månader senare, berodde enligt uppgift på att de skulle ta hand om pengarna m.m. efter familjens egendomsauktion.Modern till Anders, dog 1890 och då övertog äldste sonen gården men fadern Olof Jonsson bodde kvar där. Fadern dog i augusti 1911. En sak som är lite konstig är att jag har fått en muntlig uppgift om att Anders’ och Märtas son Gunnar skulle ha kommit till Mont Nebo i Kanada redan 1911. Kan det vara möjligt att han reste dit utan sitt flyttningsbetyg och att fadern hade det med sig då han kom??!!Att Anders och Märta inte åkte samtidigt måste vara att något praktiskt skulle ordnas, kanske något med försäljning av ägodelar eller varför inte brist på pengar. Pete Nermo hade ju sin returresa redan bokad och Märta med dottern kanske tyckte det var passande att resa tillsammans med honom.Helt klart är att Anders och Märta kom till Kanada nästan samtidigt (för att förenas med sonen Gunnar enligt mina uppgifter). Anders skaffade sig mark benämnd NE 18-49-8-W3rd vid Big Shell Lake. Där byggde de hus och bodde fram till 1948, då de flyttade till ett bättre hus i närheten av dottern Anna och hennes familj. År 1950 flyttade de till sonen Hilding i Shell Lake centrum. Året efter flyttade de åter igen till dottern Ida, se 160. Sonen Gunnar omkom vid en arbetsolycka i skogen 1913.Sorry about the language Arnie, perhaps Per can send you a translation ....

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Liber 350 was granted Feb 14-26, 1909, Liber 379 Sept 21-28, 1909, Liber 380 Sept 28-Oct 6, 1909 and Liber 533 Feb 10-18, 1913. Explanations on how to find the plots on a meridian map: Sections are divided into four quarters or into sixteen legal sub-divisions. They are numbered from 1 to 37.Townships are numbered from south to north starting at the U.S. border. They are numbered from 1 to 129 and 141.Ranges are numbered from east to west starting from each meridian, except for the west-to-east numbering used for the Principal and East of the Coast Meridians. They are numbered 1 to 34.This is a map where you can find the homestead: [url="http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmaps/cnr/SaskatchewanCNR.html>LenkeThe Saskatchewan Homesteads Archive lists 7 plots of land:File Number Name Part Section Township Range Meridian Subdivision 1175769 Nermo, John NW 6 50 6 W3034576A Nermo, John NW 12 50 6 W31160607 Nermo, John SE 14 50 6 W32803511 Nermo, Louis M. NE 1 50 6 W31160607 Nermo, Louis M. SE 14 50 6 W31909274 Nermo, Per A. SW 12 50 6 W31744535 Nermo, Peter P. SW 14 50 6 W3For Per A Nermo: Follow the 3rd meridian up from US border to number 50 (Prince Albert), go 6 to the west, and there it is, on a more detailed map you can then see exactly where the homstead is.The family probably has records already, but there are copies of the land grants available at:

[Gjest Chris Bingefors]

Why they did not stay? I only have experiënce from the area between Saskatoon and Moose Jaw. Canada was a center for immigration later than the US. Many came when the trans-Canadian railway was built. After a couple of generations the same thing as here happened, agriculture was no longer profitable and people wanted to live in tows.

[Gjest Per Nermo]

Vanja: Any information on Martha becoming (from appr. 1925) a Lutheran preacher ?

[Gjest Arnie P. Nermo]

Thanks for posting the map of the Shell Lake , Per!, Head's up! I have a few family photos that I hope to post on the DA website over this weekend. I wish you all could visit the part of Saskatchewan that the family moved to. To the south near Regina, is very flat and bleak prairie; however, in the middle of Sask. near Shell Lake and Mt Nebo, where the family settled, are hundreds of lakes with patchworks of birch & poplars in meadows, intermingled with stands of large spruce and fir trees. There are still lots of deer, elk, moose....ducks and geese....the fishing is great with mostly jackfish, pike and walleye. I think it would be a Scandinavian's dreamland. My mother now owns Louis’s farm along the Shell Lake shoreline. It is a gorgeous recreational area. The other end of the lake now has dozens of vacation cabins in Echo Bay. (our end is better end). However, it's quite far from Vancouver, so we don't visit too often. My father used to visit almost every 2-3 years when he was alive. Most of the my dad's family moved out to the west coast of BC and settled in a small town called Haney, in around the war years. I agree with Chris (#167), many of the farms are still being sold off and amalgamated into larger ones... Ida Nermo's son Clifton stayed to farm. He had accumulated a huge amount of land, somewhere around 20 sections; when the average is 2 or 3 per farmstead. Uncle Walace Nermo farmed until he retired, just up the road from the lake. Farming was hard work; the older folks wanted to retire and the youth want to get to the big cities. It was no different for my relatives. Saskatchewan is the only province in Canada that has a declining population. Under 1,000,000 and going down.... The lake is approximately 5.5 Km. from end to end. The Nermo farmstead is on the very top, to the right of the lake. It has about 1 km. of lakeshore and a small amount of farmable land. It has been rented and farmed by Carl Brewer and his son Cory for many years. I really like to get back there as much as I can, maybe this summer.....All the best to you Folfs in Norway & Sweden.Arnie P. Nermo

[Gjest Kenneth Warren Nermo]

Hello everyone, I can't let my brother, Arnie P., have all the fun. It is really interesting seeing all this new information. Is there a Victor Nermo in any of my relatives. I remember my Dad visiting him when I went for a visit to Shell Lake as a child, with my father?Regards,Ken

[Gjest Vanja Persson]

Martha becoming (from appr. 1925) a Lutheran preacher? I've never heard of that and it can hardly be true. Where does that information come from?

[Gjest Per Nermo]

It has been told me by Arnie (grandson of Louis/Lars Martin), and he has asked his aunt Alice (born 1914) (she is Louis daughter and thus Martha's niece), and she confirmed that Martha (1869-1956) in her fifties became a Lutheran preacher. There's also a story that Martha tried (in vain) to get her father Per A. Nermo (1834-1929) to go more often to church. They both lived by Shell Lake in Sascatchewan, Canada. Arnie and his relatives 'over there' will provide more info in this matter .....

[Gjest Per Nermo]

(Kenneth/170:) This Victor Nermo thus must have lived in appr. 1970 then. Was he of the same age as your father Arnold Douglas Nermo (1919-1997) ? Maybe he was a cousin ? So far I know of no Victor Nermo, though.Per P. Nermo (1871-1952) (brother of Louis and thus uncle of your father) had a daughter in his 2nd marriage called Martha Victoria (born 1905), so there has probably been a Victor somewhere ....

[Gjest Arnie P. Nermo]

'Land Rich & Dirt Poor' in Saskatchewan (circa 1925-26).Per A. Nermo, surrounded by his son Louis' family.Counter-clockwise: Per A. Nermo (seated), Alice, Lloyd, Ida, Wallace, Louis 'Pa', Avis, Laura 'Ma', Warren (baby), Jean, Arnold and Phenix (below)

[Gjest Arnie P. Nermo]

Louis Martin Nermo & Laura Larson, on their wedding day in Wanke , Minnesota, (circa 1904). My Grandparents.