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Barbro Svenkesdatter was born when ?

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Jean RUFFIE

Barbro was the daughter of Todne Tommesdatter( or Thommasdatter ?) and Svenke Jenssen in Dønnestad, Tveit VA.

She had some brothers and sisters borne in the same place:

-Arent Tobias f:28.08.1821

-Andreas f:05.05.1824 d:15.07.1824

-Syverine Tumine f:03.04.1828

-maybe some others

Barbro was married the 09.10.1846 in Humløya(Humlesund),VestreMolland AA with Arent Nilsen at the age of 26.

She died 16.05.1879 in the same place, birth year:1817

I found Barbro's confirmation in 1833 at the age of 14, vaccination the 03.08.1819

So I think she was born in the beginning of 1819. Unhappiness I have really problems to read Ministerialbok from Tveit in this time !

My questions:

1) Found when Barbro was born(maybe the 3rd item in Fødte og døpte 1819, side 115 Min lenke).

2) When Todne and Svenke were married ?

3) the real name of Todne and when she was born. I found maybe the confirmation in 1809 at the age of 20(not easy to read:Konfirmerte 1833, side 274). It's also census of Dønnestad in 1801(Tommesdatter, 8 years), then in 1865 with her son Arent Tobias(Thommasdatter, 78 ans)

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Grethe Flood

I suggest this i Thodne Tommesdatter in the 1801 census for Tved (Tveit), daughter of Tommes Madsen and Barbro Jonsdatter.

 

Then Barbro Svenkesdatter is named after her grandmother on her mother's side. Thodne Tommesdatter lived on Dynnestad in Tveit, and it quite mysterious where she married Svenke Jensen.

 

This might be Barbro's father in the 1801 census

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I suggest this i Thodne Tommesdatter in the 1801 census for Tved (Tveit), daughter of Tommes Madsen and Barbro Jonsdatter.

 

Then Barbro Svenkesdatter is named after her grandmother on her mother's side. Thodne Tommesdatter lived on Dynnestad in Tveit, and it quite mysterious where she married Svenke Jensen.

 

This might be Barbro's father in the 1801 census

 

Could this be your Svenke Jensen in the 1801-census?

 

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=13&filnamn=f1801&gardpostnr=24355&personpostnr=366415&merk=366415#ovre

 

No, I guess he married a Maren Halvorsdatter Østre Dahl in Solum, Telemark, in 1824 (jf. familysearch)

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-Ann-Mary Engum

Thanks for this link. It open a lot of possibilities for me. And thanks for Benn Johan Rislaa who build this database !

For Tone's confirmation I got this conf_Tone some months ago, it's the same personn(item 9).

 

-Grethe Flood

Thodne Tommesdatter lived on Dynnestad in Tveit, and it quite mysterious where she married Svenke Jensen

You are right. I think Svenke Jensen came from Ramsland, Øylesbø VA , born 01.05.1785 from Jens Jensen(circa 1746-21.07.1810) and Barbro Evensdatter(circa 1754-26.11.1809).

He losed quite all of his family(parents, sisters, brothers) in a short time at the beginning of the years 1800. So maybe he had to go away, and he found Tone(nice story isn't it?

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Since marriages between 1799 and 1818 is missing, I would like to think that Svenke and his wife married in Tveit, about 1815.

 

Maybe the "jevnføringslister" could mention the year of marriage, but I find it very difficult to understand the handwriting.

 

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9847&idx_id=9847&uid=ny&idx_side=-83

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070615610494.jpg

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The bygdebok for Øyslebø bind 1 page 522-523 shows that Svenke had 8 siblings, the elder went on to run his fathers farm. 3 or 4 brothers and sisters died as children. The 2 mentioned brothers and 2 sisters still lived in 1819 / 1810 when their parents died. It seems that you have got this information from the Øyslebø book already?

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Marriage:

 

Arne Tobias Svenkesen and Ane Elisabeth Nilsd. ,8 aug 1847.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9849&idx_id=9849&uid=ny&idx_side=-145

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070615620447.jpg

 

Ole Christian Torgjusen and Søverine Thomine Svenkesdatter,25 jun 1851.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9849&idx_id=9849&uid=ny&idx_side=-151

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070615620453.jpg

 

Lars Gundersen Dønnestad and Andrea Svenkesdatter Dønnestad ,26 oct 1863.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=952&idx_id=952&uid=ny&idx_side=-143

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060102030322.jpg

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I had a look on your "jevnføringslister". As the interesting years are between 1810 and 1820 and specially 1815, I tried to read something I know, but Ifind nothing.

 

Jens Jensen and Barbro Evensdatter from Ramsland got:

-Karen f:15.09.1781

-Jens f:21.04.1783

-Svenke f:01.05.1785

-Tarald f:04.04.1790 d:04.06.1811

-Thorbor f:06.10.1792

-Anders f:12.10.1794 d:29.03.1812

In 1812 Svenke has still 2 sisters(in other farms?) and 1 brother(I didn't analyse more)

At the birth of Svenke's children in Dønnestad, I never saw "fadder" from this family.

 

Ann-Mary Engum

 

Thanks for this marriages, I'll use this information as soon as possible.

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2 Things:

The bygdebok for Øyslebø bind 1 page 522-523 shows that Svenke had 8 siblings

Where is this "bygdebok"(URL ?)

 

It seems that you have got this information from the Øyslebø book already?

I always use kirkebok and census. In this case I don't remember exactelly, but it was from Øyslebø, Holum, maybe Hardmark(It depends when, it was military activities near Mandal and some young soldiers married there)

 

Best regards

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Karen 1781, mentioned both 1801 and 1810

 

Jens 1784, run his fathers farm, first wife Todne Øyslebø, they had 4 children, second wife Marte Sterkullsdatter, they had 4 children. Jens died about 1830.

 

Svenke 1785, mentioned 1810 (your man)

 

Audun 1788, married 1829 Anne Knudsdotter Kleivset

 

Tarald 1789-1789

 

Tarald 1790 - 1811

 

Torbjørg 1792, moved 1826 to Søgne community

 

Anders 1794 - 1812

 

maybe also Berte Jensdatter Ramsland 1803-1810

 

 

 

from the Øyslebø gard og ætt band 1

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2 Things:

 

Where is this "bygdebok"(URL ?)

 

 

I always use kirkebok and census. In this case I don't remember exactelly, but it was from Øyslebø, Holum, maybe Hardmark(It depends when, it was military activities near Mandal and some young soldiers married there)

 

Best regards

 

I have got the Øyslebø bygde-books band 1 and 2, from 1976.

 

I also got the bygdebooks from Søgne.

 

I find that tennant Audun Jensen (also calles Øven Jensen) 1787-1861 and wife Anne Knudsdatter 1793-1859 lived at "Egemoen" at the farm Eig in Søgne, 3 children are mentioned.

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If I understand well, yours "bygde-books band 1 and 2" are paper books ? I see it's a good advantage !

 

I don't feel it's possible for Berte, at this time Barbro was almost 50 years old.

 

Now I have to read kirkeboks following the new informations I got from you.

 

And for Barbro Evensdatter ? are you able to give me some informations(parents, søsknene). I found some of them with big difficulties, nothing about the parents.

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If I understand well, yours "bygde-books band 1 and 2" are paper books ? I see it's a good advantage !

 

I don't feel it's possible for Berte, at this time Barbro was almost 50 years old.

 

Now I have to read kirkeboks following the new informations I got from you.

 

And for Barbro Evensdatter ? are you able to give me some informations(parents, søsknene). I found some of them with big difficulties, nothing about the parents.

 

My grandmother was 47 when she gave birth to my mother, grandmotners mother was 49 when she gave birth to grandmother...... so it is possible :-)

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Ramsland

 

Jens Jensen Ramsland 1715 - d.sk. 175

married 1745 Karen Andersdatter Røyseland 1729-1787

 

Children

Jens f 1746, marries Barbro Audunsdatter SolbergAudun (Ouen) Pedersen Solberg

 

Guro, 1777 married to Gunnar (Ola?) Kristensen Hovmo in Holum

 

Jacob, died unmarried

 

 

 

 

Solberg in Øyslebø:

 

Audun (Ouen) Pedersen Solberg 1725-1793

 

married 1748 Karen Sverkesdatter Svemmeland 1726- dsk. 1787

 

Children:

 

Siri 1746-1822 married Rolf Skajeson Ramsland

 

Sissel 1749, married 1780 Thommas Knudsen Igletjønn

 

Barbro (your person)

 

Pernille 1757, married 1787 Anders Taraldsen Ramsland

 

Torbjørg 1760-1769

 

Herborg 1765-1795, married Ole taraldsen Ramsland, she died giving birth, at Suvatne farm

 

Peder 1767, to Solberg, married Torbjørg Jørgensdatter Sjurstøl

 

Torbjørg 1773-1773

 

 

 

Øyslebø gard og ætt, band 1

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Ramsland

 

parents of Jens Jensen 1719

 

Jens Skajeson Ramsland , 16XX- dsk 1719, son of Skaje Rollfsson at Ramsland 16XX- sk. 1702

 

married Guro Børusdatter Try, (a farm in Søgne) dsk 1742

 

4 children: 3 older daughters and one son Jens, your man, who inherited the farm at Ramsland

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Solberg:

 

Peder Audunson Ørebekk i Oddernes, dsk 1735

married Sissel Nilsdatter Vestre Fidje 1691-1771

 

5 children, 3 girls and 2 boys, Audun (Ouen) Pedersen number 2 but the older of the two boys, so he got the farm.

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone could look in the Tveit bygdebooks band no 1 and 2, and find somethingmore about the people there.

 

http://slekt1.com/bygdeboker-i-norge-ny?catid=339

 

 

 

Just now I recognized that the person you ask about, Barbro Evensdatter, in the bygdebok consequently is calles Barbro Audunsdatter (or Ouensdatter) from Solberg, so then you got som more info about her :-)

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Thanks Erling

and now you let me some times to found proofs and introduce data in my computer !

 

It was not possible to found Audun Jensen born in 1788, but I found Even Jensen born 24/3/1787. On the same way, impossible to find Berte from 1802 to 1804.

Barbro and her sisters were in Solberg(Sobiør) at differents dates. The name Evensdatter is often change in Ouensdatter or Øvensdatter, you are right.

 

Ramsland

 

Jens Jensen Ramsland 1715 - d.sk. 175

married 1745 Karen Andersdatter Røyseland 1729-1787

Is sk. meaning circa ? and sk.175 ? I need an other digit

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Thanks Erling

and now you let me some times to found proofs and introduce data in my computer !

 

It was not possible to found Audun Jensen born in 1788, but I found Even Jensen born 24/3/1787. On the same way, impossible to find Berte from 1802 to 1804.

Barbro and her sisters were in Solberg(Sobiør) at differents dates. The name Evensdatter is often change in Ouensdatter or Øvensdatter, you are right.

 

 

Is sk. meaning circa ? and sk.175 ? I need an other digit

 

 

 

d.sk. means døds-skifte, inheritance settlement (among relatives after a person's death)

 

d.sk. date after Jens Jensen Ramsland should be 1751, not 175 :-)

 

 

Sk. (skifte) means intheritance settlement, while the person is still alive.

 

So sk. 1800 doesn't necessarily mean that the person died 1800.

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