Brev fra California, Jenny Hatleset, Eikefjord. Holsen, Førde

[Tamara]

Aunt Margaret said there was a relative of Jennie's family that married Fred. I found 2 marriages stateside for fred, one was Dorthea and the other Ann Berthilla. don't know if these are correct. One census for Fred showed certain children which Aunt Margaret verified- she new their nicknames. I can find the links if that would be helpful?.

 

If we are still on the premise that Jennie is the daughter of Annanias, the the link I sent earlier from ellis Island shows the location and whom they were traveling to. It was to Chicago, Illinois, To brother-inlaw Fred Jacobsen. Please let me know if this link doesnot work . I will send my transcrption of the shipp mannifest....Tamara

 

http://www.ellisisla...ID=102400040361

 

 

 

I appreciate any and all help!!!!!!!

 

Also if you look farther down the list, there was a "Jacob Annansias Kleiven" also traveling to Fred Jacobsen. Was this Annaniassen's brother?

 

Question 2: I can't find where or when Anna and Annanisias died or are buried.

Question 3: When I look at the parish records I also could not find Inga"s birth? Thanks, Tamara

[Tamara]

I'm not able to find Fred(rik) Jakobsen christened or in confirmation in Kinn parish in the relevant period. Strange.

 

On an Illinois Birth Index, for 2 children his birthplace is Draglund, Norway and on another it is Farsand, Norway?????

[Ken V. Nordberg]

Also if you look farther down the list, there was a "Jacob Annansias Kleiven" also traveling to Fred Jacobsen. Was this Annaniassen's brother?

Annaniassen is a patronym, so likely Jacob Annaniassen Kleiven was the son of someone named Annanias. Annanias isn't all that common of a name so your Annanias and Jacob Annaniassen may have been related, but based on the name they weren't brothers.

 

Question 2: I can't find where or when Anna and Annanisias died or are buried.

If Anna was listed as widowed in the 1910 U.S. Census, then Annanias likely died in the U.S. sometime between 1905 (when they immigrated) and 1910 (when his wife is listed as widowed). I would start looking for his death certificate in Cook country, IL where his wife lived in the 1910 census. You said Anna returned to Norway? If so she may be found (assuming she moved back to the same area in Norway) in a list of people moved to the parish (Innflyttede), and depending on when she died she may also be found in death records. But depending on the area these records may not cover the relevant period.

[Torbjørn Igelkjøn]

On an Illinois Birth Index, for 2 children his birthplace is Draglund, Norway and on another it is Farsand, Norway?????

 

Looking at Emigrants from Kristiansand, Vest-Agder,county 1873-1930:

the first two matches are

1 a labourer from Farsund, and

2 a painter from Lyngdal, going to Chicago.

 

I am wondering if these in fact is the same person, but I can not be sure. However, I believe the painter is the same painter Fred Jacobsen who we know from above.

 

I found this church record in Lyngdal (#69):

Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Lyngdal, Ministerialbok nr. A 10 (1865-1878), Fødte og døpte 1869, side 58.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...ny&idx_side=-61

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...60103050061.jpg

 

We note that the farm name is Drageland.

 

This is probably Elen in 1865.. She and Jacob married in 1869, the same year as Fred was born (#1):

Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Lyngdal, Ministerialbok nr. A 10 (1865-1878), Ekteviede 1869, side 263.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-239

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...60103050239.jpg

 

Jacob Øbsteland in 1865. He was then a sailor. Four year later when fred was born, he was a farmer.

[Tamara]

Going back to # 15: Tamara, you mention Fred and Dorothea Jacobson. Were they your husband's grandparents on the other side?

 

This is probably them leaving Norway in 1896; they were already living in the USA: http://digitalarkive...9&merk=359#ovre

 

So who is this compared to your post # 45 ?

[Torodd Kinn]

So who is this compared to your post # 45 ?

 

I don't understand?

You mention Fred and Dorothea in #15, and my #45 has a link to them leaving Norway (again); at least, I guess they are the same.

[Tamara]

 

I don't understand?

You mention Fred and Dorothea in #15, and my #45 has a link to them leaving Norway (again); at least, I guess they are the same.

 

Thank you. and good morning!!..Been up up since 3:00 am documenting all of your info from yesturday- what a gift you have given me!

 

There are quite a few Fred Jacobsen statside. and his birthday is not the same......but I know we find many mistakes on documents. He's been a tough one to follow because of different birthdates as well as middle initial.

[Tamara]

Looking at Emigrants from Kristiansand, Vest-Agder,county 1873-1930:

the first two matches are

1 a labourer from Farsund, and

2 a painter from Lyngdal, going to Chicago.

 

I am wondering if these in fact is the same person, but I can not be sure. However, I believe the painter is the same painter Fred Jacobsen who we know from above.

 

I found this church record in Lyngdal (#69):

Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Lyngdal, Ministerialbok nr. A 10 (1865-1878), Fødte og døpte 1869, side 58.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...ny&idx_side=-61

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...60103050061.jpg

 

We note that the farm name is Drageland.

 

This is probably Elen in 1865.. She and Jacob married in 1869, the same year as Fred was born (#1):

Kildeinformasjon: Vest-Agder fylke, Lyngdal, Ministerialbok nr. A 10 (1865-1878), Ekteviede 1869, side 263.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverk...y&idx_side=-239

Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverk...60103050239.jpg

 

Jacob Øbsteland in 1865. He was then a sailor. Four year later when fred was born, he was a farmer.

 

Very grateful for your help and research......Med vennlig hilsen, Tamara

[Torodd Kinn]

I guess you've found this marriage record? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N764-CLD

 

Fredrik T. Jacobsen married Rakel D. Jonsen in Chicago in 1890.

My guess is that Rakel D. Jonsen = Rakel Dortea Johannesdatter, Ananias Johannessen's sister.

 

In #15 you provided this link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MSQP-R73

... which must be the couple married in 1890.

 

They have a son called George born around 1893 in Illinois.

The couple in my emigration link in #45 have a son called Jørgen, born 1893 in Chicago. George = Jørgen?

 

I feel pretty sure these are all the same people, don't you?

[Tamara]

I guess you've found this marriage record? https://familysearch...M9.1.1/N764-CLD

 

Fredrik T. Jacobsen married Rakel D. Jonsen in Chicago in 1890.

My guess is that Rakel D. Jonsen = Rakel Dortea Johannesdatter, Ananias Johannessen's sister.

 

In #15 you provided this link: https://familysearch...M9.1.1/MSQP-R73

... which must be the couple married in 1890.

 

They have a son called George born around 1893 in Illinois.

The couple in my emigration link in #45 have a son called Jørgen, born 1893 in Chicago. George = Jørgen?

 

I feel pretty sure these are all the same people, don't you?

 

Yes ! Agree and that is the marriage record I have also. A birth record I have for George shows his middle name as John.

 

Now that I have copied all the info- 30 some posts, I need to read and study before I ask more questions . It takes me awhile to translate each word to english.....is there a good norwegian to english software program ?

[Torodd Kinn]

Yes ! Agree and that is the marriage record I have also. A birth record I have for George shows his middle name as John.

 

Now that I have copied all the info- 30 some posts, I need to read and study before I ask more questions . It takes me awhile to translate each word to english.....is there a good norwegian to english software program ?

 

A good program: no. The google translator I think you know?

Google for online + english + norwegian + dictionary, and you'll find some resources, which may be of some help.

 

Feel free to ask for translations of words or (short) texts!

[Egil Russøy]

I have been in Spain this week, and I haven't got time to look into al the new information.

 

I have been told that Anna moved back to Norway with a man from the farm Leversund in Kinn parish. Inga moved with them, and they lived in Leversund until Inga moved to Hatleset and married Olav. It is not known if Anna and the man from Leversund got married in Amerika or in Norway.

 

I have found a death-registration of Anne Samsonsdtr Leversund in 1828. This could be Inga's mother.

 

I have som more information about Inga and her children, which I will send to Tamara in at PM.

 

Egil

[Tamara]

I have been in Spain this week, and I haven't got time to look into al the new information.

 

I have been told that Anna moved back to Norway with a man from the farm Leversund in Kinn parish. Inga moved with them, and they lived in Leversund until Inga moved to Hatleset and married Olav. It is not known if Anna and the man from Leversund got married in Amerika or in Norway.

 

I have found a death-registration of Anne Samsonsdtr Leversund in 1828. This could be Inga's mother.

 

I have som more information about Inga and her children, which I will send to Tamara in at PM.

 

Egil

 

Hi Egil, I appreciate your help and information!! I got you e-mail and will respond shortly. Leversund I think matches the return address on several letters I have in Norwegian. They were sent to our Aunt Margaret from Inga Johnson and then Inga Hatleset. Maybe there will be clues to this man when they are translated. In the meantime I will look for marriage records in Chicago, Illinois, USA.

 

I don't know about the death- registration of Anne Samsondtr you found. Her daughter Jenny's birth, 27 Jul 1892, son Elmer born 25 Jul 1895 and Inga's about 1902 -1903 . Some documentation has Anna's birth abt 1878. She still remains a mystery

 

Warmest Regards, Tamara

[Egil Russøy]

 

I don't know about the death- registration of Anne Samsondtr you found. Her daughter Jenny's birth, 27 Jul 1892, son Elmer born 25 Jul 1895 and Inga's about 1902 -1903 . Some documentation has Anna's birth abt 1878. She still remains a mystery

 

Warmest Regards, Tamara

 

Sorry. My mistake. I meant 1928.

 

Egil

[Tamara]

Jenny's mother Anne Samsonsdotter's christening:

 

Anne Johanne Henrikke

# 54

birth: 30 January 1867

christening: 26 March 1867

parents: "Hmd Samson Mathiasen og Olsdat[te]r Furrusund"

Hmd = crofter. Furrusund = Furesund, a place just west of Florø

 

Samson and Johanne's marriage:

# 12

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6894&idx_id=6894&uid=ny&idx_side=-72

He was a bachelor and timber worker, came from Skr...? in Avaldsnes, lived at Furesund, aged 28 3/4, son of Mathias Da...?

She was a maiden, came from Ommedal in Gloppen, aged 28 3/4, daughter of Ole Larsen

 

Could not find Anne Johanne Henrikke could you please send this link if you have it ...Thank You,Tamara

[Torodd Kinn]

Could not find Anne Johanne Henrikke could you please send this link if you have it ...Thank You,Tamara

 

Not March but May, #54:

Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Kinn, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1857-1885), Fødte og døpte 1867, side 143.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6890&idx_id=6890&uid=ny&idx_side=-147

[Tamara]

 

Not March but May, #54:

Kildeinformasjon: Sogn og Fjordane fylke, Kinn, Ministerialbok nr. A 6 (1857-1885), Fødte og døpte 1867, side 143.

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6890&idx_id=6890&uid=ny&idx_side=-147

 

You are so fast it makes me think you have your own copies of Parish records...hahaha..... thank you, Tamara

[Tamara]

I have been in Spain this week, and I haven't got time to look into al the new information.

 

I have been told that Anna moved back to Norway with a man from the farm Leversund in Kinn parish. Inga moved with them, and they lived in Leversund until Inga moved to Hatleset and married Olav. It is not known if Anna and the man from Leversund got married in Amerika or in Norway.

 

I have found a death-registration of Anne Samsonsdtr Leversund in 1828. This could be Inga's mother.

 

I have som more information about Inga and her children, which I will send to Tamara in at PM.

 

Egil

 

Been looking for this and could not find it, I was in the Kinn book...wrong place I'm sure. Help...thank you, Tamara

[Egil Russøy]

Been looking for this and could not find it, I was in the Kinn book...wrong place I'm sure. Help...thank you, Tamara

 

Hello Tamara

 

I found this in the database for buried in Eikefjord parish 1900 to 1960. Farmer's Wife Anne Samsonsdtr Leversund, buried 150528. http://digitalarkive...9&merk=429#ovre

 

The information under "merknad" (Attlevande kona: Anne Sofie Langedal, f. 1884, g. 1906 - Surviving wife: Anne Sofie Langedal, born 1884, vs. 1906) is not related to Anne. (This note is listed under "merknad" in 163 different cases in the database.)

 

The parish records is still not available in the internett, so we dont know how old this Anne was when she died. Her age could have told us if this was the right Anne.

 

Egil

[Torodd Kinn]

You are so fast it makes me think you have your own copies of Parish records...hahaha..... thank you, Tamara

 

Heehee, well, I've been doing genealogy for a couple of decades, and Kinn is my home parish.

 

My family name and the parish name are the same because my family comes from the island where the previous parish church is located, see http://www.kinnguide.no/guiding.htm and http://www.digitaltfortalt.no/show_image.aspx?id=28830&spraak_id=1&overskrift=Kinnakyrkja .

 

Some of your husband's ancestors were christened and married here.

[Rune Thorstensen]

 

Hello Tamara

 

I found this in the database for buried in Eikefjord parish 1900 to 1960. Farmer's Wife Anne Samsonsdtr Leversund, buried 150528. http://digitalarkive...9&merk=429#ovre

 

The information under "merknad" (Attlevande kona: Anne Sofie Langedal, f. 1884, g. 1906 - Surviving wife: Anne Sofie Langedal, born 1884, vs. 1906) is not related to Anne. (This note is listed under "merknad" in 163 different cases in the database.)

 

The parish records is still not available in the internett, so we dont know how old this Anne was when she died. Her age could have told us if this was the right Anne.

 

Egil

 

 

If you make a request to Statsarkivet i Bergen, I'm sure they will check the death of Anne Samsonsdtr. to see who survived her.

[Egil Russøy]

If you make a request to Statsarkivet i Bergen, I'm sure they will check the death of Anne Samsonsdtr. to see who survived her.

 

I can send a question to Statsarkivet in Bergen for information about her husband and childs.

 

mvh Egil

[Tamara]

Heehee, well, I've been doing genealogy for a couple of decades, and Kinn is my home parish.

 

My family name and the parish name are the same because my family comes from the island where the previous parish church is located, see http://www.kinnguide.no/guiding.htm and http://www.digitaltf...ift=Kinnakyrkja .

 

Some of your husband's ancestors were christened and married here.

 

If it is not too much trouble ......Can you help me with a list of my family who was here...cuz you know family is going to ask........are we related ?....just kidding!!

[Tamara]

found this info last night:

 

Death certificate for Annassias Theodar Johannessen (Urdal) d. 16 Mar 1910. This was right before the 1910 Census was taken where Anna ( Anna Samsondatter) shows she is widowed.

 

Also Fred Jacobsen was the informant with the same address that was the destination of Annassias , Anna, Jenny, Elmer, And Inga Urdal ship mannifest in 1905.

 

His stateside name was Andrew Johnson- as found on Jennie Johnson death certificate and Brother Elmer S. Johnson's Social Secruity Application

 

Andrew's last address was "Morgan Street" found on the US 1910 Census on post #15.

 

Morgan street was also referred to in Ingas Letter to Elmer and Tillie 1 Dec 1935 Post # 15

 

death cert link: https://familysearch...3134&wc=4911178

Confirmed with Oak Wood Cemetery that he is there.

 

also found a marriage listing for a Mrs. Anna Johnson birth abt 1868, m.12 Aug 1911 to Lars Hendriksen b. 1875

 

link: https://familysearch...M9.1.1/N7C6-2JF

 

found a Lars Henricksen Leversund b. 1 May 1875 d.18 May 1963 buried Eikefjord Cemetery on disnorge.no

 

link: http://www.disnorge.....php?id=1933561

 

Does anybody think Lars Henricksen Leversund is a connection to Anna Samsondatter when she returned to Norway?

[Egil Russøy]

Lars Andreas Henriksen Leversund born 1875, emigrated in 1910. He was a widower, and moved to family in America. http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=14&filnamn=EMIBERG&gardpostnr=69784&merk=69784#ovre

 

Egil